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    Default Where did the armaments come from that armed Georgia?

    Thanks to the wonders of google mis/translations I can bring you some information from a Russian publication on the supply of arms to Georgia. Based on UN figures.

    Original in Russian here:
    http://www.profile.ru/items/?item=24498

    GREETINGS TO ARMS

    Statistics on the supply of arms said on warpath Caucasian former Soviet republics, particularly Georgia. It is zealously in this case his «revolutionary» brothers helped Ukraine - Pravda, the Soviet «sekond-hendom».
    In the past few months, United Nations Member States have submitted to the UN Register of Conventional Arms, its official annual reports on arms exports and imports for 2006. The registry was established in accordance with the decision of the UN General Assembly on 6 December 1991 and operational since 1992 th. He is the official record of transfers of conventional arms in the seven categories of arms and military equipment (IWT): tanks, armored combat vehicles, large caliber artillery, combat aircraft, attack helicopters, warships and missiles.

    C 2003 in the register separately provided data on the supply of man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS).

    It should be noted that not all States to submit their reports to the register. In addition, the records of many countries (especially third world) are purely formal in nature and do not contain any information. Typically, the level of participation in the registry, openness and reliability records relate to foreign and domestic policies of a country and its interest in maintaining the credibility of international institutions.

    The specifics of the arms trade will inevitably impose their imprint on the format and completeness of the data submitted, leaving serious doubts about the veracity of reports of many participants register. It seems, the non-inclusion in the register «uncomfortable» for one reason or another supply - the widespread practice of almost all nations are usually incomplete and reporting on transfers of missile weapons.

    Nevertheless, the annual reports of the Register UN - a valuable source of information, primarily in the identification of small arms transfers, the supply of used military equipment and supplies in underdeveloped countries and areas of conflict. Information on all these categories are rarely caught in print.

    Of particular interest in this regard are reports Russia and other republics of the former Soviet Union, and Eastern Europe. The level of transparency in arms trade in all these countries leaves much to be desired, but that Russia has the second-third place in the world for military exports, but because of the former Soviet Union and sotslagerya the world market continues to go wide stream VVT Soviet-made.

    Ukraine: arsonist arms race in South Caucasus

    Ukraine, in its report to the UN Register has once again confirmed the reputation as a leading global trader used weapons from the arsenals of former Soviet Army. For example, in 2006 the country had traded tanks T-72 and T-55 armored personnel carriers and infantry combat vehicles, artillery systems and combat aircraft MiG-29. Among the buyers - Azerbaijan, Congo, Iraq, Yemen, Sri Lanka, Uganda, Vietnam ...

    ... And even the United States. Besides the Ukrainians managed to sell installment of man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS) Soviet-made - 14 launchers 9P58M and 33 anti-aircraft missiles (ZUR) 9M36-1 complex 9K34 «Strela-3», 29 launchers 9P519 and 71 ZUR 9M313 complex 9K310 « Igla-1 », 49 launchers 9P516 and 99 ZUR 9M39 complex 9K38« Needle ». Apparently, they are intended for refining in the U.S. caused by a variety of counter MANPADS.

    Basis of military exports Ukraine - technology resulting from the Soviet Union. Production of its own defense industry are only BTR-3U (collected in Kharkov modified «clone» BTR-80) and R-27 missiles produced Kiev «Artemom».

    Ukraine continues to play a destabilizing role in the Caucasus region, supplying weaponry Georgia and Azerbaijan. For both republics Ukraine - the main supplier of IWT. Particularly drew the attention of supply from Ukraine to Azerbaijan in 2006, the first of five MiG-29 fighter aircraft, sharply increasing the combat capabilities of the Air Force of Azerbaijan and marks a new arms race in the Caucasus. Continued supply of Azerbaijanis T-72 tanks and 120 mm mortars, launched in previous years. In Georgia, the Ukrainian record is not listed occurred in 2006, the purchase of Georgians in Ukraine six training aircraft L-39 (albeit, perhaps, their actual transfer was made in early 2007 th), as well as appearing in the Georgian record delivery Ukraine ZRK «Osa-AKM» and small arms.

    In the Caucasus like to be armed

    Georgian report for 2006 in the UN Register - the most detailed of all, before the post-Soviet states, including, in particular, information on the acquisition and unguided anti-aircraft missiles and small arms (while he issued a report carelessly). Georgia was left in 2006, a net importer of weapons, continuing to heavily buy IWT.

    According to the report in 2006, the main source of heavy weaponry to Georgia was the Czech Republic, from where it imported 35 major tanks T-72 (in addition to 35, from the Czechs in the 2005-meters), 12 self-propelled howitzers Dana caliber of 152 mm (in addition to 12 Purchased in 2003) and 30 towed howitzer D-30 caliber 122 mm (in addition to the 12 acquired in the 2001-meters). In Bosnia and Herzegovina was purchased 90 mortar shells Yugoslav production (15 120-mm, 25 82-mm and 50 mm caliber 60). In Ukraine, were acquired by a «system» (probably battery - four launchers) and 48 ZUR 9M33M3 man-portable missile system 9K33M3 «Osa-AKM», 64 easel anti-AGS-17 grenade fire 30 mm, 10 thousand AKM rifles, 11 , 7 thousand AK-74 machine guns and 53 PCs and PTP. Kazakhstan has received 758 PTUR 9M114 «Sturm-V» and the 5552 air unguided rockets S-5KPB caliber 57 mm (for the arms rotary-wing aircraft), and from Bulgaria - 450 ground PTUR 9M111 «Fagot» and 9M113 «Competition».

    Looks strange entry in the Georgian record of the receipt of a training military attack plane Su-25UB, both exporting country (exporter state), and the country of origin (state of origin) plane itself serves Georgia. Perhaps the fact the aircraft purchased at the same Ukraine or the Czech Republic or in Macedonia. According to the report, Georgia in 2006 did not receive any helicopters, reported to the Ukrainian press and the Ukrainian left-wing politicians for the purchase of Georgians in Ukraine next batch of helicopters Mi-24 and Mi-8 (up to 13 units), and 40 T-72 and MANPADS «Buk».

    The report of Georgia there is no mention of actually acquired in 2006 in Ukraine six aircraft L-39, as well as on imports from Bosnia and Herzegovina long-range 262-mm unguided rockets of M-87 Orkan.

    Report of Azerbaijan contains information relevant to official figures of other States on the export of arms to the republic in 2006. Declared receive from Ukraine 17 T-72 tanks, three armored personnel carriers BTR-3U, 13 towed mortars PM-38 120-mm and 5 MiG-29 fighter jets, and from Belarus - an additional 41 T-72 tank.

    As for the MiG-29, it is known to be a contract to supply the Air Force of Azerbaijan 12 overhauled and partly upgraded MiG-29 fighters and two training-combat MiG-29UB was «Ukrspetseksportom» at the end of 2005. The works are produced Lviv State Aircraft Repair Plant and CJSC «Fazotron-Ukraine» (Ukrainian branch of the Russian corporation «Fazotron-NIIR»). In fact, according to available information, Azerbaijan has received at the end of 2006 under this agreement, only two training military MiG-29UB, and the first five singles fighters arrived only in February-March 2007 th.

    Pribaltov equips Europe

    Estonia stated that he had received from Finland 21 earlier in the armament of the Finnish army armored Pasi XA-180 (the first 35 cars of the 60 ordered arrived in 2005).

    Latvia declared receipt from Sweden 94 anti-aircraft missiles to the RBS-70 MANPADS, as well as large quantities of modern firearms: from Austria - 450 pistols Glock 17 9 mm, and from Germany - 100 submachine gun H & K UMG 9 mm, 1.4 Thousands of automatic rifles H & K AG-36-caliber 5.56 mm, 140 under-barrel grenade fire 40 mm to them, as well as 60 automatic 40-mm grenade launchers of anti easel H & K GMG.

    Lithuania in 2006, received from Germany as soon as 200 decommissioned weapons Bundeswehr tracked M113 armored personnel carriers, American-made, as well as 22 self-mortar Tampella caliber 120 mm at their base. This brought the total number of M113 in the Lithuanian army to the impressive numbers 361 and 120-mm self-mortar - to 42. It should be noted that while Germany in their records indicated delivery to Lithuania, since 2000, only 310 armored personnel carrier M113 (including 30 for the dismantling of spare parts) and 42 self-mortar. In addition, from Norway in 2006, Lithuania was received by former minelayer Vidar built in 1977 to 27 June was put in the Lithuanian Navy as a ship management Jotvingis.

    Table 1 Known supply military equipment to Georgia in 2000-2006





    Type Quantity (pcs) Supplier deliveries of God
    The main tanks T-72 701 Czech Republic 2005-2006
    - 6 Ukraine 2005
    The main tanks T-55AM2 10 Czech Republic 2000
    Armored personnel carriers BMP-2 52 Ukraine 2004-2005
    BTR-80 30 Ukraine 2004-2005
    152-mm self-propelled howitzers 2S3 12 Ukraine 2004-2005
    152-mm self-propelled howitzers Dana 24 Czech Republic 2003-2006
    122 mm towed howitzer D-30 42 Czech Republic 2001-2006
    122 mm 40-barreled MLRS RM-70 6 Czech Republic 2004
    262-mm MLRS M-87 Orkan 500 missiles Bosnia and Herzegovina 2006
    120-mm towed mortars 14 Bulgaria 2005
    - 25 Czech Republic 2006
    - 15 Bosnia and Herzegovina 2004
    82-mm mortar M-69A, 25 Bosnia and Herzegovina 2006
    60-mm mortar M-57 50 Bosnia and Herzegovina 2006
    Anti-aircraft missile complex «Osa-AKM» 4 launchers and 48 missiles Ukraine 2006
    Gunships Su-25K 12 Czech Republic 2004
    Training military attack plane Su-25UB 1 Unknown 2006
    Training aircraft L-39 6 Ukraine 2006
    Attack helicopters Mi-24 and Mi-35 7 Ukraine 2005
    - 1 Uzbekistan 2004
    Transport helicopters Mi-8MTV 2 Ukraine 2005
    Multipurpose helicopters 10 * USA 2000-2001
    Bell UH-1H 2 Turkey 2001
    Rocket boat type La Combattante II 1 Greece 2004
    Patrol boats type Point 2 USA 2000-2002
    Small landing ship Ave 106K 2 Bulgaria 2001
    * Of these, four helicopters for the dismantling of spare parts.
    Source: according to the records of Georgia and other states in the UN Register, as well as the media materials.
    Table 2 Known supply military hardware to Azerbaijan in 2000-2006





    Type Quantity (pcs) Supplier deliveries of God
    The main tanks T-72 45 Ukraine 2004-2006
    - 60 Belarus 2005-2006
    - 1 Slovakia 2002
    Armored personnel carriers BMP-1 2 Ukraine 2005
    BTR-3U 3 Ukraine 2006
    130-mm towed gun M-46 36 Bulgaria 2002
    100-mm antitank guns MT-12 72 Ukraine 2002
    300-barreled 12-mm MLRS 9A52 «Tornado» 12 Ukraine 2004-2005
    120-mm towed mortars PM-38 85 Ukraine 2005-2006
    Fighter MiG-29 3 Ukraine 2006
    Training and combat fighter aircraft MiG-29UB 2 Ukraine 2006
    Gunships Su-25 12 Georgia 2002-2005
    Training combat gunships Su-25UB 1 Georgia 2005
    Training aircraft L-39 12 Ukraine 2006
    Patrol boat type AV-25 1 Turkey 2000
    Patrol boat type Point 1 USA 2003
    Small patrol boats 2 USA 2001
    - 30 Turkey 2001-2005
    Sources: according to the reports of Azerbaijan and other states in the UN Register, as well as the media materials.

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    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

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    20-20 hindsight is something we all may have in retrospect but something that at times may be more difficult to attain when there are concerted efforts at obfuscation and twisting the truth. This was the case with the invasion by Georgia of the restive enclave of South Ossetia, an area populated almost entirely by ethnic Russians who held Russian citizenship. We now know, thanks to the untiring efforts of individuals such as eminent NATO expert Rick Rozoff, the entire invasion was a move to evict Russian peacekeepers and settle a “territorial dispute” so that Georgia could join NATO. Sadly for tie-eating Georgian leader Mihail Saakashvili, Russia defended its citizens and things did not work out as his US instructors had promised. In a long 2013 end of the year summary with the Voice of Russia, long time NATO expert and anti-NATO activist Rick Rozoff details those facts and sheds light on where the alliance is headed in the coming year and onward.


    This is John Robles, you are listening to an interview with Rick Rozoff, the owner and manager of the Stop NATO website and international mailing list. This is part 4 of an interview in progress. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at voiceofrussia.com
    PART 1, PART 2, PART 3
    Rozoff: Were the government of Syria to have been overthrown and Russia to lose its naval docking facility at least in Tartus, and if the government of Yanukovich is to be overthrown in one manner or another either through a violent street uprising, we saw it that the West has proven to be quite adept at pulling off in countries from Yugoslavia to Ukraine nine years ago, or through a rigged or extra-constitutional election that brings about a change of regime in the country, and the Russian Black Sea fleet were to be ordered out of the Crimea which is I’m sure what the US is ordering its allies and the Ukraine to do, or to consider. Then you would have seen the eviction of Russia not only from the Mediterranean but, except for a narrow strip of Russian territory, out of the Black Sea.
    And this is pretty heavy-duty geopolitics, and I think in that sense, too, the two are not unrelated.The Russian Black Sea Fleet vessels that have come to Syria recently have left their base in the Crimea, for the most part. By the way, this is a precondition for Ukraine joining NATO rather.
    Robles: Evicting the Black Sea Fleet is a precondition?
    Rozoff: Well not specifically, but inevitably, and I’ll need to describe how. When NATO re-asserted in 2009, if I’m correct, that Georgia and Ukraine were going to join NATO, that they have been invited to join as full members of NATO, it was with the proviso that two standard NATO conditions be met. And those two conditions are: no foreign military forces on the soil of the country that joins NATO, which is to say no non-NATO military forces on the soil. That would be the Russian Black Sea Fleet in the Crimea exactly in the case of Ukraine. It would have been at that time Russian – actually it was 2008, it was 2008 because it was several months before the five-day war that the Saakashvili regime instigated in the South Caucasus.
    The second condition is no unresolved territorial disputes. I read that immediately at the NATO summit at the beginning of 2008.
    Robles: No unresolved territorial disputes?
    Rozoff: Such as for example Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia but, arguably, Crimea in Ukraine. You know, at the point where the West could have portrayed or can now say that a largely ethnic Russian constituency in Crimea is interfering with the Westernization or the European integration of Ukraine, then were a government like that of Yushchenko to call in Western support, including military support into the Crimea, that would not be beyond the realm of possibilities. That’s number one.
    So, what we have here are two things. That I believe the war in the Caucasus in August of 2008 was the inevitable result of what NATO offered to Georgia and Ukraine earlier in the year, which was – once you get rid of foreign military forces, even peace-keepers on your territory, and once you integrate restive areas and put them under your thumb, then you can join NATO. This was all but an invitation for Mikhail Saakashvili to invade South Ossetia and following that, had he been successful, Abkhazia. And it was also an invitation for Yanukovych to clamp down on political opponents in Eastern Ukraine.
    Robles: That’s the first time I’ve heard that one. Why didn’t we talk about that before? You said it was a condition for them to do that. So, basically they invaded South Ossetia and killed all the Russian citizens there to join NATO?
    Rozoff: That is my firm contention to this day, that it was known, it was explicitly stated at the NATO summit in Bucharest, Romania in 2008 that Georgia and Ukraine were to join NATO as full members. As a matter of fact, there were special commissions set up after the war. After the war in August of 2008 the US set up formal commissions with Ukraine and Georgia and NATO set up something comparable to that, a special program for both countries for their integration.
    But it is common knowledge, and it was reiterated at the Bucharest summit, that the two impediments for a nation joining NATO were unresolved territorial disputes within their national boundaries and the presence of non-NATO military forces in the country. Russia in this case was meant vis-à-vis Georgia and Ukraine. And that’s why I’m stating it.
    In fact, the Commonwealth of Independent States-mandated peace-keeping forces – peace-keeping forces mandated by the CIS (of which Georgia was a member at that time, before the war, let’s recall) – and that they were mandated to be in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. To NATO, it represented an impediment to the full incorporation of Georgia as a full NATO member. Mr. Saakashvili understood that and he acted accordingly. That’s my conviction.
    But this applies equally, I would argue,or almost equally to Ukraine because the presence of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine would be the biggest impediment, absolutely an impediment. It would be a sine qua non of NATO membership to evict the Russian Black Sea Fleet from the Crimea. Mr. Yushchenko understood that perfectly in 2008 too.
    But now that with the Eastern Partnership, because this is what the association agreement with the European Union meant, it is being done under the auspices of a program created also in 2008 – exactly the same year, we’re talking about the Bucharest summit - on the initiative of Poland and Sweden to invite all of the non-Russian, all the former Soviet republics in Europe and the Caucasus, except for Russia (meaning Belarus, Moldova, Ukraine, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia) into the Eastern Partnership to integrate them into the European Union. Which would mean what? That would mean the effective death of the Commonwealth of Independent States.
    How else can that be interpreted? If you’re telling every single non-Central Asian [former] Soviet republic except Russia that they could be incorporated into the European Union, which is basically co-terminus with NATO. That’s something like 21 out of 28 members of the European Union are members of NATO and the others are partners.
    Robles: I don’t think that would ever happen, because all the people have to do is sit down and look at the numbers, like they did in Ukraine and we talked about this before. $100billion in income over 7 years if we join the Customs Union and $1billion in income over 7 years if we join the EU. Plus they would have to divert all their spending on social programs and everything else into upgrading their military, and becoming NATO compatible.
    I don’t think that would ever happen. But, again, NATO was formed and founded to fight the Soviet Union and destroy the Soviet Union, OK or defend against the Soviet Union, however you want to put it. And it seems to me they have just continued along that same road despite the fact that the Soviet Union no longer exists. Would you agree with that?
    Rozoff: On the second score I agree. On the first score I think we have to be careful. By the way, a mistake earlier , it is 27 members I believe of the European Union, of which 21 are members in NATO, but the other six are all NATO partners in the Partnership for Peace program [or soon will be in regard to Cyprus] . So, it’s almost sleight of hand – NATO is EU, EU is NATO, or rather the EU is NATO minus the US and Canada.
    Robles: I think people in Serbia know that. I think now people in Ukraine are beginning to realize that. I think people in Poland know that. I think most Russians are now waking up and realizing that but… Go ahead Rick.
    Rozoff: However, as we talked about, if at the Bucharest summit of NATO in 2008 it was told to the US puppet regime in Kiev – and that’s all the Yushchenko government was – you know, he was being led by the nose by his wife Kathy from Chicago. And if anyone doesn’t believe that, I suggest they look into the matter a little more closely. But that all the government of Yushchenko or the one that would replace Yanukovych now if some kind of a revived Orange Revolution were to occur would have to do is to provoke some political crisis in the Crimea.
    We know, for example, there have been demonstrations by Crimeans, local residents, against the US-NATO military exercises, the Sea Breeze exercises that we talked about a few minutes ago. All they would have to do is have a some kind of provocation staged; the US uses that as an excuse to protect Ukraine against Russian proxy subversion or something of this sort, and then you have a real crisis on your hands. So, let’s not dismiss that possibility.
    On the first part of the question you asked me – is NATO an outdated organization? That’s one argument by opponents of NATO that I don’t fully share. What it tends to suggest is that NATO was a perfectly legitimate organization at its inception and throughout the Cold War, but now we don’t need it. That is not at all what NATO has been transformed into in the post-Cold War period.
    The US and its major allies in NATO – and this is not strictly a US thing – we have to understand that two of the world’s largest arms exporters right now are Germany, which I believe is number three (NATO has worked very well for German death merchants), another major international arms exporter is Sweden. Sweden, which has joined the international NATO Response Force, has taken good care of its politicians and certainly of its merchants of death as a result of affiliation with NATO. So, this is not simply a matter of an outdated organization to continue on its own momentum with no purpose.
    The cliché that’s been used for the last 15 years as “in search of a mission” or “redefining itself” or something of this sort – no, the US instead has seen that, with the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Eastern bloc as a whole – you know, the Comecon economic union and the Warsaw Pact military alliance – as one official stated several years ago that basically the US moved the Berlin Wall to the Russian border.
    Notwithstanding the assurances by the George H.W Bush administration to the Mikhail Gorbachev government that NATO would not move one inch eastward, we can see what is in fact…
    Robles: Well, they made that promise they just refused to put it on paper.
    Rozoff: I don’t want to belabor this point. And whatever it was, it is no longer such after 1991, and actually earlier than that.
    In 1991 the Warsaw Pact, which had already been moribund for years, formally dissolved itself and then, in the same year, in 1991 the Soviet Union fragmented into 15 republics or nations.
    So, that the whatever alleged justification that NATO might ever have had, it disappeared, it dissolved immediately. And at that point, if NATO was a defensive organization (I don’t believe it was, but for those who claim it was at any point in its history), then it of necessity had to dissolve itself too at that point. Yes or no?
    Robles: What is NATO then? I mean, it wasn’t a defensive organization to begin with, what exactly was it then?
    Rozoff: At the moment Berlin fell in 1945 the war waged by the US, France and Britain and the Soviet Union against Nazi Germany became a conflict between the US, Britain and France against the Soviet Union. Everybody knows that.
    One war had not ended before the next one – the Cold War – began. And NATO was necessary to sustain permanent US military presence in Europe, consolidate friendly (one might argue compliant) governments in the major European countries, that would be beholden to the US military and would in fact be integrated politically and militarily with the United States.
    However, at that time at least the name of the organization made some sense and had some legitimacy when we speak about the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Of the original 12 members I believe all but Italy were on or near the Atlantic Ocean. We are now looking at a North Atlantic Treaty Organization that from 1999 to 2009, that is in one decade, expanded from 16 countries to 28. That is a 40% increase.
    Robles: Now North Atlantic is into eastern Africa, I believe.
    Rozoff: It is all over the world. And the 12 new members are all in Eastern and Central Europe, from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea to the Adriatic Sea. And none of them are anywhere near the Atlantic Ocean.
    So, if it was a defensive organization to defend democracies and the Euro-Atlantic region, then why is it up to 28 members, the majority of whom now are not on the Atlantic Ocean.
    That’s, I think, a simple refutation of that claim. I mean, the fact that three former Soviet republics – Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania – were brought in as full NATO members in 2004 and in the NATO summit in Turkey seven new nations were brought in at one time – that is unprecedented, right? – except for the original inception.
    Robles: I’d like to say one thing. Russia, does that pose a threat to the West. I’m sorry, people. Russia is not threatening America. Russia is not and has never threatened Europe. Russia is not threatening Scandinavia…
    Rozoff: No, it is a bogeyman. I mean, you’ve talked about before phantom enemies. You know, they concoct a man of straw, an imaginary threat and then they… as it was evidenced perhaps in the last year, maybe a little longer than that, a major military official, I believe a Defense Ministry official in Sweden had said: “If Russia invades Sweden, without NATO support we’d be overrun in days.” Now, come on!
    Robles: Yes, we wouldn’t last eight hours I think he said.
    Rozoff: Okay, that is even worse. In what geopolitical and what psychological universe does one reside to be able to frame scenarios like that? But it is clear that this is evoking images, the absolute, the most horrifying images of the Cold War. You know, Russians are coming. And if: “we – Sweden – do not join NATO immediately, by the time you get home from work there are going to be Russian troops in Stockholm.”
    I mean, this is the kind of lunacy that goes on. But because the media, as well as the political establishment in Western countries are so subservient, first of all, to the US and, second of all, to the Western elites as a whole… somebody like that should have been drummed out of his position immediately after making a statement like that. That is alarmism, that is fear-mongering.
    Robles: Who is this serving? It is serving the military industrial complex, isn’t it?
    Rozoff: Including that in Sweden, including Sweden’s ability to sell arms around the world, based on its affiliation with NATO, because of the interoperability of weaponry.
    There is something else that is significant and only a handful of people in Sweden, evidently, fully I think taken cognizance of this. About two or three years ago the Swedish Army revamped itself. It had been a territorial defense army, a citizen army, and it was meant for one purpose only – in the very, very unlikely, if not impossible, case of foreign military forces assaulting Sweden, the Swedish armed forces were to defend Sweden, period.
    That was the end of part 4 of an interview with Rick Rozoff – the owner and manager of the stop NATO website and international mailing list. You can find the remaining parts of this interview on our website at voiceofrussia.com

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    Well, unless google ****ed up [as it often does], the arms were supplied by god!

    Quote Originally Posted by Magda Hassan View Post



    Type Quantity (pcs) Supplier deliveries of God
    The main tanks T-72 701 Czech Republic 2005-2006
    - 6 Ukraine 2005
    The main tanks T-55AM2 10 Czech Republic 2000
    Armored personnel carriers BMP-2 52 Ukraine 2004-2005
    BTR-80 30 Ukraine 2004-2005
    152-mm self-propelled howitzers 2S3 12 Ukraine 2004-2005
    152-mm self-propelled howitzers Dana 24 Czech Republic 2003-2006
    122 mm towed howitzer D-30 42 Czech Republic 2001-2006
    122 mm 40-barreled MLRS RM-70 6 Czech Republic 2004
    262-mm MLRS M-87 Orkan 500 missiles Bosnia and Herzegovina 2006
    120-mm towed mortars 14 Bulgaria 2005
    - 25 Czech Republic 2006
    - 15 Bosnia and Herzegovina 2004
    82-mm mortar M-69A, 25 Bosnia and Herzegovina 2006
    60-mm mortar M-57 50 Bosnia and Herzegovina 2006
    Anti-aircraft missile complex �Osa-AKM� 4 launchers and 48 missiles Ukraine 2006
    Gunships Su-25K 12 Czech Republic 2004
    Training military attack plane Su-25UB 1 Unknown 2006
    Training aircraft L-39 6 Ukraine 2006
    Attack helicopters Mi-24 and Mi-35 7 Ukraine 2005
    - 1 Uzbekistan 2004
    Transport helicopters Mi-8MTV 2 Ukraine 2005
    Multipurpose helicopters 10 * USA 2000-2001
    Bell UH-1H 2 Turkey 2001
    Rocket boat type La Combattante II 1 Greece 2004
    Patrol boats type Point 2 USA 2000-2002
    Small landing ship Ave 106K 2 Bulgaria 2001
    * Of these, four helicopters for the dismantling of spare parts.
    Source: according to the records of Georgia and other states in the UN Register, as well as the media materials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Lemkin View Post
    Well, unless google ****ed up [as it often does], the arms were supplied by god!

    Quote Originally Posted by Magda Hassan View Post



    Type Quantity (pcs) Supplier deliveries of God
    The main tanks T-72 701 Czech Republic 2005-2006
    - 6 Ukraine 2005
    Yes I noticed that too. It is some thing to do with the original google translation. Haven't got the original so can't tell you what it comes from. Googlish is quite an experience some time.
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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