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    Mark Stapleton Guest

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    Aussie PM Kevin Rudd will be dumped as leader tomorrow in favor of deputy PM Julia Gillard.

    Rudd's problems with Israel came to the surface recently with his criticism of Israel's identity theft during the Dubai assassination in January and criticism of Israel's recent attack on the Gaza flotilla.

    Gillard has always strongly defended Israel as far as I know.

    Rudd's problems with Israel go back a little further, as this article from the SMH reveals:

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/r...e#contentSwap1

    Draw your own conclusions, but Rudd's rapid fall from grace wasn't the result of failed emissions trading negotiations, as has been cited. Most Australians don't care about that.

    Criticising the Zionist Power Configuration is political suicide in corrupt western democracies like Australia.

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    Then they will be happy with Gillard, if she is true to form, as she has never said an unkind word.

    Your observations on this are true Mark. He didn't go through with the ETS, which I think is a good thing, but he still wants a carbon tax, also a good thing. No one understood carbon trading except the bankers (Turnbull) who were behind it. As for the mining super profit tax everyone was delighted that the miners were at last going to pay some of their share for a change instead of taking more from PAYE work bots. The mining companies were absolutely NOT going to close shop and move overseas. They have it too good here. But they were desperate not to allow it to go through as it would then set a precedent to other countries with major resources, to do the same and that is what they didn't want under any circumstances. They are trying to make it look as if he is lost and confused. I have watched this orchestrated whispering campaign against Rudd being run the last few months and have yet to see any basis in fact not of their own creation. Not being a Rudd or Labor supporter in any way or shape I would love to find something to hate about the man as a leader but I cannot. I feel he is basically a decent man with fairly honourable intentions who has done reasonably a good job in running a right wing social democratic party within those limitations. Obviously against some one's vested interests though. The right wing 'powerbrokers' behind this are bloody disgusting.
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    Yes I think he was OK except that he was a rabid immigrationist--but that's bipartisan now anyway.

    The whole Rudd leadership crisis was manufactured by the mainstream media, imo. They drove him out of town. It shows how much the political class fears the media. It's an Orwellian nightmare.

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    I'm convinced he was booted out over the mining tax. Gillard is already talking about beginning the mining tax negotiations afresh, so we'll have to wait and see the final outcome of that.

    The interesting thing I find is how the media in unison avoids mentioning this most obvious of theories - that he's been turfed out over the mining tax. And ironic (correct me if I'm wrong) that Rudd is from a right faction and Gillard from a left faction.

    I agree with you, Magda, that the precedent it would set in the mining industry world-wide would be most unwelcome.

    (Also, it drives me to distraction that they've cranked up the immigration levels so high in recent years - hundreds of thousands each year - but we're drowned in a sea of scaremongering in the media about "out of control" illegal boat arrivals, totaling under 10,000 per year, many of whom presumably won't be staying permanently. Never mentioning the illegal arrivals who fly in rather than take a crowded leaky boat. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that we co-ordinate with the Indonesians and let them know just how many boats we want them to let through each month ("we" being the people ultimately in control of the governing of Australia, whoever they are), according to the propaganda objectives of the day.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Dawson View Post
    The interesting thing I find is how the media in unison avoids mentioning this most obvious of theories - that he's been turfed out over the mining tax.
    The media isn't avoiding mentioning the proposed mining tax as the reason for Rudd's downfall. On the contrary, they've been talking about it ad nauseum.

    That isn't what got him knifed. The mining tax wasn't unpopular with the people--it was unpopular with mining magnates and wealthy stockholders. John Howard's proposed GST in 1998 was much more unpopular than the proposed mining tax, and he didn't get punted.

    No, there's a much less visible reason for his removal--see post #1.

    p.s welcome to the DPF Peter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Dawson View Post
    (Also, it drives me to distraction that they've cranked up the immigration levels so high in recent years - hundreds of thousands each year - but we're drowned in a sea of scaremongering in the media about "out of control" illegal boat arrivals, totaling under 10,000 per year, many of whom presumably won't be staying permanently.
    Me too.

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    One thing's for sure.

    The rest of the world's leaders are about to find out what real Aussie strine sounds like.

    Suckers.

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    I don't know what faction Rudd is from. Probably some variety of right faction. I know he hasn't come the usual route through the unions. Gillard is nominally left but I don't expect her to actually *walk* left at all. She was conspicuously silent during the Israeli bombing and invasion of Gaza and the subsequent fake passports used by Israel. Like many others who started in the Trotskyist parties she will probably make a good neo-con. I hope I am wrong but we will wait and see. I certainly do not feel any joy or optimism about the change. It is just a palace coup by the right wing union factions. I think she may, at best, be like Hawke, and he was sure was no lefty. Think 'Accord', think of CIA ties to the unions, especially the AWU which is right behind this.

    Welcome Peter!
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Stapleton
    The media isn't avoiding mentioning the proposed mining tax as the reason for Rudd's downfall. On the contrary, they've been talking about it ad nauseum.

    That isn't what got him knifed. The mining tax wasn't unpopular with the people--it was unpopular with mining magnates and wealthy stockholders. John Howard's proposed GST in 1998 was much more unpopular than the proposed mining tax, and he didn't get punted.


    The GST was a tax on the people, and a reduction in tax for business, for the most part. The mining tax is a tax on profits. That entails the prodding of a whole different beast.

    They mention the mining tax as part of the mix of reasons for his demise, but I still think it alone was the necessary and sufficient reason for his exit. Or, if you like, it was the only straw capable of breaking that particular camel’s back.

    No, there's a much less visible reason for his removal--see post #1.

    I’m open to being convinced otherwise, but I think Rudd fell so perfectly in line with the wishes of the neo-liberal ruling class (up until the talk of a mining tax), that he’d have had to declare war on Israel (e.g. persistently insist that they start treating the Palestinians better, or something), to motivate the Jewish players to have him ousted. The Jewish community doesn’t want the Australian voting public to know that they have the vast majority of Oz parliamentarians under their influence, and if circumstances prevent them from being seen as a beacon of all things good, they will happily embrace news that paints themselves as weak outsiders. Rudd expelling an Israeli operative, months after the incident, weeks after Britain had done the same thing, was a very weak response. Weak, yet “harsh”, and “harsh” was the effect Rudd was trying to project...after, I’m sure, he’d made half a dozen phone calls to members of the Jewish community apologising for the necessary face-saving measure he was about to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magda Hassan View Post
    I don't know what faction Rudd is from. Probably some variety of right faction. I know he hasn't come the usual route through the unions. Gillard is nominally left but I don't expect her to actually *walk* left at all. She was conspicuously silent during the Israeli bombing and invasion of Gaza and the subsequent fake passports used by Israel. Like many others who started in the Trotskyist parties she will probably make a good neo-con. I hope I am wrong but we will wait and see. I certainly do not feel any joy or optimism about the change. It is just a palace coup by the right wing union factions. I think she may, at best, be like Hawke, and he was sure was no lefty. Think 'Accord', think of CIA ties to the unions, especially the AWU which is right behind this.


    I think she'll be much like Rudd - compliant (to the big end of town) on the big issues, compassionate (re. the battlers) on the small ones, with a few pleasant surprises thrown in, and a few unpleasant ones. I've pretty much lost all hope in conventional politics and politicians, but I was brought up in a Labor household (in Joh's Queensland), and I’ve gotta say, I’ll much prefer it if she wins the next election. I had a hell of a time ignoring politics for all of the 11 years Howard was in. It’s much easier for me to ignore when Labor is in!

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