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    Definitely some STRANGE stuff about Mr. Epstein's death!....no matter how one parces it. There is already a death photo circulating [strange in and of itself]. People are comparing the features of the ear seen on the supposed dead Epstein with his ear in life - and differences do seem apparent; however, we know not if the photo is real, if it was photoshoped, or about the lighting or other factors. Even Trump is claiming Clinton or the Clintons had Epstein murdered - quite a laugh as this prison is under the control of his pal and 'personal lawyer' the Attorney General Bill Barr. Others claim there was a constant camera on him in his cell and want it produced. Most cells do NOT have any attachment points for a 'hanging', nor material for a 'hanging' - one has to be very clever indeed. Then there is the question of why he was apparently just taken off of suicide watch. It is SO easy to pull off a murder of this kind in a high security prison, an no one every being able to prove anything...as so few persons are involved with any inmate and fewer can be arranged, if needed. Color me suspicious, even though there aren't many hard facts. I'm sure he was upset at having to spend time in prison and facing a possible life in same, but with billions and the best lawyers and what he could say pointing a finger at others, he would NOT [IMHO] have so easily given up on his rich lifestyle and life itself. His 'girlfriend' and procurer is certainly next most likely to die of some 'accident' or 'suicide' as she knows everything he knew.......stay tuned...this is FAR from over...the body count by the end will be huge! [IMO]
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

  2. #42

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    I hope my previous post regarding the Epstein death has been taken as intended--i.e. ironically.

    Let me list the following: Seth Rich and Peter W. Smith of Chicago died mysteriously in relation to the "hacked" DNC emails. No investigations. The latter was a "suicide" in Rochester Minnestota where Smith was seeking life-saving medical treatment.

    And then you had the McCabe/Strzok/Comey/Mueller conspiracy to "hack" the legitimate US election which was won by Trump and his "deplorables."

    And now you have an even bigger mess with a child sex trafficking ring which allegedly involved Bill Clinton, another person in line for the British throne, and endless other rich and famous people.

    And more recently you have the Epstein murder, openly, notoriously and in plain sight of the whole world. This happened in the custody of the US Justice Department. But it is going to be the FBI who investigates this atrocity.

    Epstein would have been better off in the NKVD Lubyanka Prison back in the heydey of the USSR.

    Somebody tell me that the US is different than Putin's Russia!!! Sorry, I just don't see it right now, at this point in history.

    And now, in my mind, I pretty much will have to start believing in the "Clinton body count" theorists. I previously thought that the accusations that the Clintons were running a child sex-trafficking service in DC was basically a brain lapse in the mind of, say, James Fetzer.

    But now events have now (in terms of absurdity) gotten to the point where anything is potentially believable.

    Some may be aware that Bill Clinton was the driver who drove Hale Boggs to the airport for his famously one-way airplane ride from Anchorage to nowhere, i.e. to his death. And Clinton was closely involved with the widow of Hale Boggs, too, through the Democratic Leadership Council.

    So rather than only investigating itself, the FBI is now investigating something perpetrated by agencies reporting to the U S Justice Department, separate and aside from the Muellergate mess. So things are getting worse, not better. They're getting more and more bold in their outrageous and out-of-control activities.

    So I have only been suggesting that “conspiracy theorists” (like myself over the last 6 years) will have to turn things around.

    The word “Quaker” was originally an insult, now it is synonymous with integrity.

    We should take the attitude that, when you have an infestation of cockroaches, you need the Orkin Man. And when you have an infestation of conspiritors, you need CONSPIRACY THEORISTS!!!!

    Conspiracies are the problem, conspiracy theorists are the antidote. We (they) should own the concept and own the name. The only real protection that the conspiracy perpetrators have is our fear of being labeled "conspiracy theorists".

    James Lateer

  3. #43

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    Instead of postings about Epstein, there are only postings by new names that seem to lack any specific thesis.

    Too bad if irrelevant postings throughout the internet wind up obscuring this unbelievable travesty that is the Epstein suicide/murder.

    James Latter

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    While hard facts are not easy to come by and too many false or non-sourced rumors or statements are flying, the following SEEM to be FAIRLY reliable data at this point. He was on suicide watch, but was taken off of it 10 days ago, despite the fact that the first 'suicide' he told his brother was a murder attempt on him. Also, he was supposed to have been observed by a guard at least every 30 min....but was not for several hours - the guards claiming they are overworked. He was supposed to absolutely have a cellmate...but did not. It is just another example of pulling security, as was done in Dealey Plaza...only on a very small 3 x 2 meter scale. I say it was murder and it looks clearer and clearer that is was. But the MSM still insist on using suicide and only off hand mentioning all the crazy conspiracy theories out there...
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    How and why did Jeffrey Epstein die? Did he commit suicide to escape an embarrassing trial and a lengthy prison sentence as a child rapist? Or did he know too much about too many powerful people who did not want to be implicated? In any case, any serious person would admit that the timing was most convenient.
    It is also curious that he supposedly attempted suicide once before. So shouldn’t the authorities at a federal facility have been monitoring him? Amazingly, Epstein reportedly had been taken off “suicide watch” a few days ago. Could somebody whose power extended into a federal prison have used that first attempt as cover for an “involuntary suicide?”
    Are we allowed even to talk about such possibilities? Ever since the CIA in 1967 issued a memo recommending the use of terms like “conspiracy theorist” to discourage inquiries in non-consensus directions, the corporate media has marched in lockstep to that tune.
    It has continuously deployed this disparaging term to cast a cloud over a diverse range of individuals who have nothing in common. These range from those who accept the most outrageous default explanation for almost everything, to serious investigators who wonder if it is possible that, say, every powerful politician in America has been killed by a “lone nut” — this, while in other countries, people assume a reasonable probability that more may have been going on.
    Besides, we know that actual conspiracies happen all the time. Just a few examples of notorious conspiracies include long-denied and covered-up but ultimately documented plots by America’s intelligence services in which elected foreign leaders were deposed and murdered. Then there are large conspiracies of the sort found in the Iran-Contra Affair. And all the price-fixing conspiracies And of course the stuff of “true crime,” in which everyone from spouses and lovers to business partners and enemies get together with others and secretly work out how to snuff someone.
    What of Epstein? Does he seem like the sort that someone else might want out of the way?
    Not only did association with him hang over a former and a current president, a corporate titan and a member of the British royal family, but also all manner of wealthy and famous people, plus a particularly voluble and litigious lawyer and constant TV talking head.
    Also, anyone who has looked at Epstein’s relationships and inner circle over the years has to wonder if his operation was ultimately about blackmail. Besides domestic possibilities, it must be noted that intelligence services of other countries, including notably Israel and Russia, were either prospectively connected to the Epstein circle or were at least aware of the implications of the kind of information Epstein had, and its value. Not to mention things we’ve heard, including the possibility that Epstein’s premises were wired for surveillance.
    It took years for the Epstein story, already well known to many journalists, to make its way to the public. The federal authorities went suspiciously easy on Epstein until recently.
    Can we now please have some real, fearless, investigation without those who dig deeper being called names for doing our jobs? [from WhoWhatWhy]
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    People wondering how Jeffrey Epstein acquired his enormous wealth may find a clue on page 5 of the lawsuit, filed — and later withdrawn — by Katie Johnson against Donald Trump and Epstein for allegedly raping her when she was 13 years old.
    Tiffany Doe, a material witness named in the lawsuit, had agreed to provide sworn testimony, “fully verifying the authenticity of the claims” of Johnson. Doe said she had been employed by Epstein for more than 10 years as a “party planner” and had witnessed everything described by Johnson.
    In fact, it was her job to witness all the sexual escapades that went on in Epstein’s mansions — and to report to him everything she had overheard. He told her “knowledge was king” in the financial world. From page 5 of the lawsuit:
    As a result of these underage sex parties, Defendant Epstein was able to accumulate inside business knowledge that he otherwise would never have been privy to in order to amass his huge personal fortune.
    It is clear that Epstein did throw wild parties with young women. Did he learn anything from the pillow talk? From the bragging of men trying to impress each other with their inside knowledge of upcoming secret deals? If “knowledge is king” — what about Epstein’s knowledge of who did what to underage girls at his parties? Did Epstein blackmail any of these men?
    Knowledge is king indeed.
    Attempts to Discredit

    Vox reported many grounds for doubting the stories of these women. None seem especially compelling, but you should decide for yourself. Here is one they apparently consider the most serious reason to be skeptical — but it is weak:
    Most troublingly, a detective who worked with Epstein’s victims called into question a key part of Johnson’s story:
    Mike Fisten, a retired Miami-Dade detective who conducted research for several of Epstein’s victims, denied such parties ever even took place.
    “Jeffery [sic] never had parties like described in their complaint,” Fisten told me. “Jeffery had sex parties, for sure, with two or three girls … but never with other guys.”
    There were men in attendance at Epstein’s more large, lavish affairs, Fisten said, but nothing illicit ever happened at such events.
    Fisten is hardly qualified to comment on what took place out of his sight.
    Timeline

    For your convenience, here’s a timeline of this tragedy, and links to both lawsuits — one filed in California, one filed in New York, each with different details. Warning: these pages include detailed descriptions of sexual abuse, depravity, and viciousness. They create a vivid picture that may ring true. But you may never know whether that picture is true or not.
    April 26, 2016: Johnson, acting as her own lawyer, filed a civil suit in California suing Trump and Epstein for $100 million for abuse that took place from June to September in 1994.
    May 2016: Civil suit was dismissed due to a technicality: She had filed a civil rights suit, but failed to state an applicable civil rights claim.
    September 30, 2016: Johnson, now represented by a lawyer, refiled in New York.
    November 2, 2016: A few days ahead of the presidential election, Johnson was apparently all set to appear at a press conference at the law offices of civil rights attorney and TV commentator Lisa Bloom, but she didn’t show up. Bloom explained that Johnson was afraid to appear after having received multiple death threats.
    November 4, 2016: Bloom announced that Johnson had dropped her lawsuit.
    In 1994, Trump had allegedly threatened to kill Johnson and her family if she ever told anyone what he and Epstein had done to her. Johnson said Trump told her he could make them “disappear” like Maria — a 12-year-old girl Johnson says Trump forced her to have sex with.
    And, allegedly, Johnson had again received death threats in November 2016.
    We wish that Trump’s all-purpose fixer Michael Cohen had been asked if he knew anything about these threats. Or if he had personally delivered them. But Cohen himself was under threat. He told Congress,
    I have asked this Committee to ensure that my family be protected from Presidential threats, and that the Committee be sensitive to the questions pertaining to ongoing investigations. Thank you for your help and for your understanding.
    Strange, one doesn't hear much about the lawsuit claiming that both Trump and Epstein both had forced sex with an underage girl at the same parties or times....could Trump be involved in the murder of Epstein? He certainly has a lot of motive to be.......if not involved, it was certainly 'very convenient and convenient timing for Trump.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Almost predictable - and I was expecting it all along - the video system outside of Epstein's cell malfunctioned [sic] during the time before his death...... While the MSM and most will just accept that - I find that, along with everything else, as almost proof of conspiracy in his death.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    The usual misdirection. Will there be justice for the victims? And what about those guards? How could the cameras be broken? Did you see the painting of Bill Clinton? Who was the woman coming out the door? Was that really Prince Andrew inside the door?

    Whitney Webb has portrayed dark networks that are much bigger than guys getting massages from children or even honey pot operations by a lone operator. Epstein is just one of many and the products are the trafficking of everything forbidden and the corruption of all. It's the real world. Democracy? It's just a word. Justice? Goodness? Just for suckers.
    "We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

    "We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl

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