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    Garcia a CIA agent? Hardly. The CIA used many and did bring the world acid. But those who indulged during this wonderful period were not CIA dupes.

    Texe Marr is making a curious leap here.

    And I agree with Keith. Casting aspersions on a period filled with love, music and peace.

    Dawn

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    Jan Irvin discusses a number of these matters with Dave McGowan here:

    http://www.gnosticmedia.com/intervie...el-canyon-186/

    And here:

    http://www.gnosticmedia.com/DaveMcGowan2-magic-carpet


    One of the interesting parts of the second interview, in my opinion, is the discussion of this guy:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Alcala


    Curious bio, wouldn't you say? If ever there was a candidate for a "weaponized" serial killer...
    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
    ― Leo Tolstoy,

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    A new video from Gnostic Media collating a selection of Jan Irvin's research on this subject:

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
    ― Leo Tolstoy,

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    RKL: thanks for posting this. Well worth the watch.

    I will say that their ultimate agenda to prove that patriarchal religions use drugs to manipulate their members minds is painting with way too broad a brush. More like painting with a fire hose.
    "We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

    "We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl

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    Cheers, Lauren. I agree that their overarching theory is somewhat questionable, but the research in general is all solid and verifiable. I'm just surprised that there haven't been more books written about this subject. It seems like everywhere you look in the history of the 60s counterculture there are connections to sinister forces...


    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...prince-3591464


    Rolling Stones financial brain Prince Rupert Loewenstein created the world's first £1billion band

    May 23, 2014 06:00
    By Rod McPhee


    The band's money man took them from a band of skint musicians who couldn't afford furniture to a relentless global money-making machine

    When Mick Jagger met Prince Rupert *Loewenstein in 1968, the rocker said he was so skint he couldn’t afford furniture.

    Despite becoming one of the world’s biggest bands with a string of hits steered by manager Andrew Loog Oldham, the Rolling Stones were losing cash rather than making it.

    It did not help that Oldham’s replacement Allen Klein was creaming off 50% of their royalties.

    Within four years, the Prince had extricated them from their contract with Klein, got their bank balances back in the black, and laid the foundations for a billion-pound empire.

    The dapper merchant banker and German aristocrat, who died this week at the age of 80, was always a rather incongruous member of the Stones’ inner circle.


    While Mick, Keith and the boys indulged in riotous backstage parties, with drugs, booze and groupies on tap, the devout Catholic Prince indulged in nothing stronger than a decent vintage claret.

    He was introduced to Jagger by mutual friend Christopher Gibbs.

    The art dealer recalled later: “I said, ‘What you need is a sensible English merchant banker. So I found them a very amusing German prince.”


    Despite their obvious *differences, the Prince and the rocker clicked and Jagger hired him to handle the Stones’ accounts.

    But while he was known by some as “the human calculator” it was not just his financial know-how that Jagger and the band relied on.


    “I once described my role with the band as a combination of bank manager, psychiatrist and nanny,” Loewenstein said.

    “All the time I worked with the Stones I never changed my habits, my clothes or my attitudes. I was never tempted by the rock ’n’ roll lifestyle. Although I enjoyed a good vintage wine.”

    Rupert Louis Ferdinand Frederick Constantine Lofredo Leopold Herbert Maximilian Hubert John Henry zu Loewenstein-Wertheim-Freudenberg, to use his full name, had royal roots which could be traced back to William the Conqueror and the Rothschild European banking dynasty.

    Born in Majorca in 1933, his family moved to Britain and he went on to read history at Oxford before moving into finance, eventually becoming managing director of the merchant bank Leopold Joseph.

    It was while at the bank that he became friends with Jagger and was introduced to the band’s lifestyle.

    Jagger once organised a ball at Loewenstein’s house in West London, and when the noise kept the neighbours awake until 6am they rang the police.

    “We can’t do anything about it,” said a *frustrated officer over the phone. “Princess Margaret’s there.”

    While he never shared the band’s hedonistic ways, he gave them the means to indulge. In 1971 when he suggested they left the UK to avoid paying up to 93% tax on their profits, they decamped to Villa Nellcote in the South of France – a former Nazi HQ where they blended recording with drug-taking and bedding lovers.

    The band have had lucrative offshore financial arrangements ever since.

    When he advised them to embark on more money-making live performances, in 1972 they completed their notorious Stones Touring Party tour across the US in which they spent a night at Hugh Hefner’s Playboy mansion and staged a 29th birthday party for Jagger attended by showbiz royalty from Bob Dylan to Zsa Zsa Gabor.

    Jagger’s antics sometimes proved an embarrassment for Loewenstein, but he tolerated them.

    “Mick was a leopard whose spots never changed,” he recalled. “During one tour, I had invited a friend, along with a group of his family and friends, to the end-of-tour party at the Hotel George V in Paris.

    “I happened to notice Mick slide out of the proceedings and slip upstairs accompanied by my friend’s attractive 18-year-old daughter.

    “When her father approached us, we rather timorously *commiserated, but all he said was, ‘Well done, daughter!’”

    The band respected the fact that “Rupie the Groupie”, as he became known, had their backs.

    After a lengthy legal battle he got them out of the savage contract with Allen Klein and negotiated a new recording deal.

    The dad of three, who married lawyer’s daughter Josephine Lowry-Corry in 1957, encouraged the band to continue touring into middle age and beyond, with lucrative results. Their Bigger Bang tour from 2005 to 2007 raked in £350million.

    Keith Richards once compared the Prince’s financial acumen to his own musical talent.

    He said: “He has a great financial mind for the market. He plays that like I play guitar.”

    This relationship continued up to 2007 when he retired from working with the band, and everything was amicable up to last year when Loewenstein released revealing *autobiography A Prince Among Stones.

    Jagger, in particular, took exception, and said: “I don’t think your ex-bank manager should be discussing your financial dealings and personal information in public.”

    But if the sadness expressed by the Stones is anything to go by, any lingering resentment over the book is far outweighed by love for their unlikely friend.


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    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
    ― Leo Tolstoy,

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.K. Locke View Post
    A new video from Gnostic Media collating a selection of Jan Irvin's research on this subject:

    Wow. Just fucking wow. I watched most of this yesterday.
    More disillusionment .

    Dawn

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.K. Locke View Post

    Rolling Stones financial brain Prince Rupert Loewenstein created the world's first £1billion band

    May 23, 2014 06:00
    By Rod McPhee


    The band's money man took them from a band of skint musicians who couldn't afford furniture to a relentless global money-making machine

    When Mick Jagger met Prince Rupert *Loewenstein in 1968, the rocker said he was so skint he couldn’t afford furniture.
    Jagger and Richards must have been so out of it at this time. Particularly Jagger with his impeccable Conservative back ground and studying economics at LSE to lose the ball on the money which seems his motivating force not the art of music.
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    My favorite quote: Timothy O'Leary (23:30) "Our undercover agents in Los Angeles were very cool about, uh, and yet did more in a very laid back way ...."

    The whole thing was a scam. Sandoz, "Captain Trips," etc. Those guys are laughing their asses off.
    "We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

    "We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl

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    From an old Hippie.The comments are a back and forth with Jan Irvin.


    The CIA and the Psychedelic Revolution


    with 12 comments
    Hippies were invented by the CIA? Not really, although this is one of the main disinfo memes being worked at the highest levels of counterintelligence propaganda today. But that doesn’t mean the CIA didn’t play a huge role in the Psychedelic Revolution.

    Of course they did. Any social movement of any size will immediately attract the attention of the Octopus (or if you prefer, Illuminati, that pool of energy at the center of old money in Europe and North America, a cartel that orchestrates wars for profit and social control).

    I’m thinking of the damage caused by LSD abuse, especially among young teens in the 1970s. Something like that may even be happening today with ecstasy. I recommend people avoid synthetics and stick with natural plants in their safest and most dilute forms and whenever I see anyone handing out synthetics my first thought is: “CIA?” They always have access to the newest and most powerful synthetics, and usually way before anyone else. I actually believe they showered the country in LSD to prevent a cannabis inspired revival that was about to pop forth from the jazz scene after Jack Kerouac took that energy into literature.

    Nothing lasts forever and the Octopus cartel couldn’t keep a lid on the secrets of the shamanic plants forever, especially the Queen of the Healing Plants. In fact, the campaign to bury of all wisdom concerning medicine plants resembles the way people were held in mental slavery for centuries, a time when only priests could read and write. Sooner or later, a wave of wisdom regarding these important medicine plants had to crash onto the American consciousness, and, in fact, it already had happened mostly among jazz musicians.


    Gordon Wasson was a propaganda publicist for J.P. Morgan, the man who arranged the buy-out of Carnegie Steel for some absurdly high price, a deal that cemented certain European banks deep into Wall Street. For Wasson, it became all about mushrooms, particularly the Amanita. And that’s where Wasson led his rabbit holes. Other CIA operatives, like Capt. Hubbard, worked primarily with LSD provided by the CIA-connected lab in Switzerland, Sandoz. But at the same time Hubbard was promoting LSD for treating alcoholism (a program that was wildly successful), the CIA was studying ways to weaponize psychedelics and turn them into tools of mass mind control. So consider these realities next time someone offers you a free ride down any psychedelic slide.

    But all this activity at the highest levels of the psychedelic revolution by the CIA does not mean the agency was driving the Zeitgeist. They were not. The new children appeared in force in the fall of 1966 and were instantly recognizable in long hair and somewhat theatrical demeanor. Black leather jackets and green army jackets represented our uniforms. Like the Nozems, who had appeared earlier in Amsterdam, the original hippies were the product of a successful middle class. But rather than embrace the paradigms of our parents, we rejected their entire culture and started making up one of our own.

    Of course there were a ton of mistakes made, and some involved substance abuse. But that was just part of the voyage of discovery. Tim Leary took his entire style from Johnny Griggs and his Brotherhood of Eternal Love. Griggs was the real hippie messiah and he was killed by synthetics at the height of his shamanic power. And his death paved the way for Leary to assume the throne. But Griggs was a vegetarian who preached universal peace, while Leary was a carnivore alcoholic who preached violence (for a brief time).

    So it wasn’t like the CIA invented the hippies. That’s like saying Hitler invented the Wandervogel, a pagan, back-to-nature movement that had its roots far deeper than Hitler’s arrival on the scene, although he did manage to morph it into the Hitlerjugend, his teenage death squad, which was actually brought into combat at the very end of the war. A little known fact is that refugees from the Nazi take-over of Wandervogel landed in Southern California and helped birth the hippie movement, which also involved the original surfer generation.

    Intensive propaganda operations were launched during and after the 1960s to divert teens away from establishing a non-violent, independent culture. I wonder sometimes about the arrival of The Hobbit, who certainly had a huge, although not necessarily good, influence on the development of the Hippie Zeitgeist. Was this some sort of British intelligence move, taking away our black leather jackets and trying to stick a flute in our hands? The original hippie generation looked like the punks who hung out at CB’s in the early years, and, in fact, those original punks had long hair until Richard Hell cut his, and then pretty much everyone else except Joey Ramone followed. In the same way I wonder about that hobbit dude, I wonder if Harry Potter might not be a mind control experiment, seeding dark vibrations into the imaginations of a new generation? But if you want to study the art of propaganda, just turn on any TV because It goes on all day long and is especially evident in the news and commercials.

    The original hippie generation was centered on resisting the war in Vietnam, which gave us a powerful central focus. We were really peace people, despite the black leathers. And that’s the tragedy because it is proving hard to pass this peace culture down to the next generation. They have been raised on such an intense diet of violence propaganda and trained to despise hippies. The senseless shooting in Texas involving three “bored” teenagers just shows how far removed from the spirit of the 1960s some teenagers have migrated.

    Will the peace kids ever return? They have to. It’s just a matter of time. And when they do, the CIA will be ready with some intensive propaganda operations to blow them off their voyage of discovery, as well as a whole new breed of synthetic drugs.

    http://stevenhager420.wordpress.com/...ic-revolution/
    "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
    Buckminster Fuller

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    Thanks for posting that Keith. A very interesting discussion in the comments.
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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