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    Myra Bronstein Guest

    Default Lack of continuity between Dallas & Chicago plots

    I've long been confused about something. The plotters went to a lot of trouble to portray the Dallas patsy--Oswald--as a left winger, a communist (what Jim Garrison calls "sheep dipping"). Presumably that was in keeping with the overall government/CIA agenda of demonizing communist and socialist leaders in other countries, a prime example being Castro. Possibly a thwarted secondary objective of the sheep dipping and assassination was to justify the invasion of Cuba.

    However, if former secret service agent
    Abraham Bolden is accurate (The Echo from Dealey Plaza), there was a foiled plot to murder President Kennedy three weeks earlier in Chicago. However, in the Chicago plot the presumed pasty--Thomas Vallee--was a right winger. (http://coverthistory.blogspot.com/2007_11_01_archive.html)

    What secondary objective would there have been with a "right-wing radical" patsy?

    Shouldn't there have been continuity of objectives between the plots?



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    Default Chicago, Tampa, and Dallas -- Profoundly Linked

    Myra,

    On the contrary: There was nothing but "continuity" -- or connective tissue -- between the Chicago and Dallas theatrics.

    I contend that the Chicago plot (in the literary as well as literal sense), including Vallee with his mind-blowing LHO parallels, the alleged Cuban rifle team, etc. was initiated by the real Dallas assassins for two main reasons:

    -- Once the plot was foiled, all previous chatter about just such an attempt on JFK's life would be thought to refer to the Chicago hit and thus sent to the "No Further Cause for Alarm" file (JFK himself, shortly before he was whacked and after Chicago, reassured someone close to him that the Secret Service had "taken care of" the threat).

    -- The Chicago plot was designed to foster what I like to refer to as "cognitive dissonance" among Dallas hit investigators -- official and otherwise. Thus we must understand that plot as one of many doppelgangers planted within the overall, all too real, JFK murder conspiracy.

    The doppelganger phenomenon runs throughout not only the JFK hit, but other major deep political operations down through the ages.

    Two (or more) LHOs, sets of JFK autopsy films and caskets, Z-films, brains, brain exams, false sponsors, LHO arrests ... etc. etc. etc.

    The mind boggles -- and such is the intent.

    Creation of mirror images remains the most efficient and damaging form of cover for deep political operations.

    There are even two conflicting "official" US Government conclusions regarding the assassination -- LN and conspiracy -- as put forward by the WC and the HSCA, respectively.

    The Chicago plot was not real ... and all too real.

    Then there's the Tampa feint.

    Certainly Gerry Hemming used the Tampa plot to sow disinformation -- and thus cognitive dissonance among observers and researchers and investigators of JFK's murder -- over the course of decades. I sat on Lancer's Hemming Panel (along with John Newman, Jerry Rose, and moderator/Hemming buddy Gordon Winslow) and was pleasantly surprised when Winslow cornered GPH on the latter's claim that he was guarding JFK at the Florida airport.

    "You say you were just feet away from the president on the runway, but you're not in any of the photos," Gordo charged.

    "Yeah, and you know why," answered Hemming uneasily.

    (GPH, of course, described himself as a JFK assassination patsy -- or, an LHO doppelganger. And he claimed to have "shadowed" Oswald in Japan.)

    Like the Chicago drama, the Tampa plot had multiple functions, including being thwarted to provide reason for honorable presidential protectors to relax, enhancing the false sponsorship LCN in general and Trafficante in particular, and otherwise sowing cognitive dissonance.

    So neither Chicago nor Tampa was "bogus" in terms of being components of the uber-plot run by the Dallas assassins. But they were not designed to result in actual assassination attempts.

    By the way, I can't think of a more relevant example of cognitive dissonance a la JFK, Myra, than your own very reasonable question: "What secondary objective would there have been with a 'right-wing radical' patsy?"

    The assassins objective was and is to prompt just such a query.

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    Default But But Wait Wait ---- There's There's More More

    The doppelganger subplot permeates 20th century intel ops. And a certain fictive construct named "Lee Harvey Oswald" is cast in too many of these roles.

    ITEM -- While in California in 1977 to address a Hispanic audience at a Cinco de Mayo celebration in the Los Angeles Civic Center Mall, President Jimmy Carter allegedly was the target of assassins.

    Newspapers reported the arrest of a "transient" -- an Anglo in his mid-thirties -- who was charged with conspiring to kill the president.

    Shortly thereafter, a Hispanic was taken into custody and similarly charged.

    Both suspects claimed that they had been hired by Mexican hit men who paid them to fire blanks from a pistol to divert the attention of Carter's security details while they (the two hitters) shot the president with high-powered rifles.

    The details of this event are, for the most part, not relevant to this thread (although its timing is rather intriguing).

    But the names of the arrested suspects are quite relevant.

    The Hispanic was Osvaldo Ortiz.

    The Anglo was Raymond Lee Harvey.

    There are no traces of these men or the dispostions of their cases on the public record today.

    ITEM -- On August 30, 2000 CNN aired a statement by Mohammed al Fayed, father of Dodi al Fayed, Princess Diana's lover who perished with her and Henri Paul in the "auto accident" in Paris.

    In that statement, al Fayed referenced, " ... individuals who attempted to take advantage of Princess Diana's death and my grief by extorting $20 million from me by offering for sale alleged CIA documents describing MI6 involvement in the assassination of my son and Princess Diana.

    "One of the men," al Fayed explained, "was prosecuted immediately by the Austrian government and is now serving a sentence of imprisonment in Vienna for his part in the scheme."

    The name of this mysterious agent?

    Oswald LeWinter.

    Which is a double hit, of course. We've got LHO again. And we're tantalized by reference to Lady de Winter - the Cardinalist double agent who, in Dumas' The Three Musketeers, woos D'Artagnan to the point of obsession (mind control, anyone?) only to betray him.

    Which brings to mind another ... curiosity. Since John Wilkes Booth, most of America's political assassins (successful or otherwise) have come to be known by their tripartite names: Charles Julius Guiteau, John Flammang Schrank, Giuseppe "Joseph" Zangara, Thomas Arthur Vallee, Lee Harvey Oswald, James Earl Ray, Sirhan Bishara Sirhan, Sara Jane Moore, Mark David Chapman, and, if you'll permit the stretch, John Hinckley, Jr. (middle name -- Warnock -- not commonly referenced).

    Leon Czolgosz -- well, that's already a mouthful.

    Going a bit far afield, we meet Mehmet Ali Agca in Vatican City.

    I mention this in passing.

    Charles Robert Drago
    Last edited by Charles Drago; 09-30-2008 at 05:13 PM.

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    Myra Bronstein Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Drago View Post
    Myra,

    On the contrary: There was nothing but "continuity" -- or connective tissue -- between the Chicago and Dallas theatrics.

    I contend that the Chicago plot (in the literary as well as literal sense), including Vallee with his mind-blowing LHO parallels, the alleged Cuban rifle team, etc. was initiated by the real Dallas assassins for two main reasons:

    -- Once the plot was foiled, all previous chatter about just such an attempt on JFK's life would be thought to refer to the Chicago hit and thus sent to the "No Further Cause for Alarm" file (JFK himself, shortly before he was whacked and after Chicago, reassured someone close to him that the Secret Service had "taken care of" the threat).
    ...
    Well I must admit that this doesn't click for me, the concept of justifying a decrease in security after a foiled plot rather than an increase in security.

    Back to the Oswald frame though, it seems clear that he was given cover as both a right and left winger, pro and anti Castro, pro and anti Russia, etc so that the official story could be malleable. David Atlee Phillips, or whoever handled the retroactive narrative, had puzzle pieces that could be assembled to create more than one picture.

    I wonder if supposed Chicago patsy Thomas Vallee was also given right and left wing cover stories so that he could be a one size fits all patsy like Oswald.

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    In that statement, al Fayed referenced, " ... individuals who attempted to take advantage of Princess Diana's death and my grief by extorting $20 million from me by offering for sale alleged CIA documents describing MI6 involvement in the assassination of my son and Princess Diana.

    "One of the men," al Fayed explained, "was prosecuted immediately by the Austrian government and is now serving a sentence of imprisonment in Vienna for his part in the scheme."

    The name of this mysterious agent?

    Oswald LeWinter.



    CD: That's incredible. I have tried to follow this case pretty closely but missed this amazing detail. Again, the plotters by the very use of the name "Oswald" are telling us. That they did it but no one can expose them. No matter how many investigations.
    Dawn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myra Bronstein View Post
    Well I must admit that this doesn't click for me, the concept of justifying a decrease in security after a foiled plot rather than an increase in security.
    Myra,

    All material resources are finite -- even those available to the most powerful and ruthless people on the planet.

    The most critical skill sets (to use an overworked Generation Next term) necessary to operate on all sub-tiers of the "facilitator" level of the JFK plot were (and still are) the rarest of commodities. They could and can be stretched only so thin.

    There was one – and only one – meta-plot, and to my mind the Chicago and Tampa theatrics were essential elements of it.

    There was one -- and only one -- ideal location for the hit in terms of combining logistics and false/semi-false sponsor incrimination (Johnson, Texas oil), and that location was Dallas.

    There was one -- and only one -- ideal patsy in terms of a single individual (elegant simplicity within layered, immense complexity; ultimate economy) being linked to a maximum number of false/semi-false sponsors (Castro, anti-Castro forces, the CIA as an agency of overworld government, LCN, Right Wingers, etc.) and other deep political entities and operations, and that patsy was LHO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Myra Bronstein View Post
    I wonder if supposed Chicago patsy Thomas [I]Vallee was also given right and left wing cover stories so that he could be a one size fits all patsy like Oswald.
    To argue that Vallee was as deeply situated within the deep political matrix and as masterfully manipulated over time as was LHO is, for me, absurd on its face – this despite their multiple superficial similarities, which of course were highly significant in terms of the doppelganger gambit.

    So then ... what conclusions regarding Chicago can we draw?

    Admittedly I am offering hypothesis w/o footnotes.

    But deep politics sometimes defies deep penetration by the applications of standard academic inquiries. And so often we are left to offer highly informed speculation supported equally by right- and left-brain appreciations of deep political systems.

    The stripping of Dallas presidential security is, I contend, the Rosetta Stone of this plot in terms of identifying its facilitators. Like Vince Palamara, I am persuaded by George Michael Evica's original analysis of the stripping and his conclusion that a staged assassination attempt ostensibly designed to implicate Castro and force an unharmed JFK to retaliate – but at the deepest level intended to facilitate the real hit – was "sold" to key non-conspiratorial administration and Secret Service officials by the real plotters.

    When the Dallas hit turned out to be other than faux, members of JFK’s political inner circle and branches of presidential security complicit in the ostensibly “innocent” stripping were compromised to the point of silent inaction. This group included “innocent” elements of those very agencies responsible for investigating the assassination and apprehending the assassins.

    To address directly your discomfort with the argument that a foiled Chicago plot could be used as a logical reason to reduce Dallas security, I offer this:

    In the wake of events in Chicago, Dallas security was reduced.

    The conclusion that, with the foiling of the Vallee attempt, a long-rumored JFK hit with elements mirrored by larger aspects of the Chicago scenario was taken off the board eliminated the last major argument (too dangerous) against a staged, “unsuccessful” Dallas “assassination.”

    AND the Chicago plot could be counted on to visit upon post-assassination investigations all the cognitive dissonance that doppelgangers traditionally stir.
    Last edited by Charles Drago; 10-01-2008 at 03:26 PM.

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    Default The Chicago Plot and Dallas Plot too/two

    Perhaps the best summary of the Chicago Plot can be found in JFK and the Unspeakable [a book all should read, if you haven't yet, for a variety of reasons!]. While Myra's comment on Lee H.O. being sheep-dipped as a communist [when in fact he seems to have been middle-of-the-road but controlled by right-wingers] that that would add to the legend of Castro/Communists having been behind the Dallas Plot is correct, I find no problem with Vallee having being sheep-dipped toward the 'right'. So were [more recently] McVeigh, the Waco 'crowd', Manson, and others. While a legend and/or sheep-dipping can serve several purposes, the primary/crucial one is to disguise the identity of the real powers and persons behind the events about to unfold.

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    Myra Bronstein Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Lemkin View Post
    Perhaps the best summary of the Chicago Plot can be found in JFK and the Unspeakable [a book all should read, if you haven't yet, for a variety of reasons!]. While Myra's comment on Lee H.O. being sheep-dipped as a communist [when in fact he seems to have been middle-of-the-road but controlled by right-wingers] that that would add to the legend of Castro/Communists having been behind the Dallas Plot is correct, I find no problem with Vallee having being sheep-dipped toward the 'right'. So were [more recently] McVeigh, the Waco 'crowd', Manson, and others. While a legend and/or sheep-dipping can serve several purposes, the primary/crucial one is to disguise the identity of the real powers and persons behind the events about to unfold.
    Great points Peter.

    I tend to forget about McVeigh when looking at the big picture. In fact, while I have vague suspicions that McVeigh was something of a patsy in the Oklahoma bombing (perhaps he was involved but manipulated), and while I doubt that a pile of fertilizer can do that kind of damage to a building (overlap with 911?), I have no idea how it fits into the overall pattern.

    Does anyone feel that they understand what really happened with Oklahoma? The feds sure were in a hurry to execute McVeigh.

    (And Welcome Peter. Great to see you here.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Lemkin View Post
    Perhaps the best summary of the Chicago Plot can be found in JFK and the Unspeakable [a book all should read, if you haven't yet, for a variety of reasons!]. While Myra's comment on Lee H.O. being sheep-dipped as a communist [when in fact he seems to have been middle-of-the-road but controlled by right-wingers] that that would add to the legend of Castro/Communists having been behind the Dallas Plot is correct, I find no problem with Vallee having being sheep-dipped toward the 'right'. So were [more recently] McVeigh, the Waco 'crowd', Manson, and others. While a legend and/or sheep-dipping can serve several purposes, the primary/crucial one is to disguise the identity of the real powers and persons behind the events about to unfold.
    Peter - great to have you back online! Welcome!

    I don't want to derail this Dallas/Chicago JFK thread, but if you want to start a separate thread elsewhere (perhaps in Black Ops or Science Mind Control) on the intriguing possibility that Charlie Manson was sheep-dipped, I'd be delighted to explore Helter Skelter and the Bug with you....
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    Myra Bronstein Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Klimkowski View Post
    Peter - great to have you back online! Welcome!

    I don't want to derail this Dallas/Chicago JFK thread, but if you want to start a separate thread elsewhere (perhaps in Black Ops or Science Mind Control) on the intriguing possibility that Charlie Manson was sheep-dipped, I'd be delighted to explore Helter Skelter and the Bug with you....
    I started a thread for it Jan:
    http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/for...read.php?t=107

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