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Thread: What? No discussion of Obama's COLB certificate today?

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    "The two citizen-parent requirement (not only just one parent) comes from the definition of a “natural born Citizen” referring to the child’s parents in the plural. It also comes from the common law that provided that a woman upon marriage took the citizenship of her husband. Both parents must also be citizens in order for the child not to be born subject to any foreign power and therefore with any other conflicting allegiance or loyalty. Hence, given the Framers’ use of the “natural born Citizen” clause, they required a would-be President to have both (1) birth on United States soil (or its equivalent) and (2) birth to two United States citizen parents as necessary conditions of being granted that special status. Given the necessary conditions that must be satisfied to be granted the status, all "natural born Citizens" are "Citizens of the United States" but not all "Citizens of the United States" are "natural born Citizens."

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    More good studies of the faked document. This is NOT about RACE. It is about
    lying, deception, and ineligibility for office.


    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292457

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292449

    http://www.henrymakow.com/imaging_ex...s_obama_b.html


    It is also about the obvious FAKING of an official document, a crime. Study
    of this may lead to the cabal behind Obama...Rockefeller, Annenberg, Brezinski,
    Bildebergers, etc.

    Please do not say it is "political" or "racial"...or even trivial. It is criminal.


    Jack

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    Apparently the forgers of the "new" COLB from Obama DID NOT
    KNOW THAT COMPUTER GENERATED DOCUMENTS CAN BE
    REVERSE ENGINEERED to retrace the steps of creation.

    Here is a video of a computer reverse engineering which shows
    that the faked document was created using ADOBE ILLUSTRATOR.
    The operator shows that a technique called LAYERING was used
    to assemble the various components. Watch as the computer peels
    away various layers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yybrz...ature=youtu.be

    This is fraud at the presidential level. Despite Dawn and Peter
    being willing to "excuse" Obama with a pass on this, it is an
    IMPEACHABLE CRIME. Not to use a racial pun, but "the jig is up!"
    He has committed a crime.

    Even if not so, the presented document PROVES Obama is not
    "native born", since it lists only ONE parent who is a US citizen.
    The constitution says BOTH PARENTS MUST US CITIZENS.

    This issue is NOT settled. With Obama joining the fight, it has
    barely begun.

    Jack

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    Default When the GOP wanted a foreign-born president

    Just throwing this in the mix.

    When the GOP wanted a foreign-born president

    A few years ago, a GOP senator proposed a measure to allow foreigners to run for president. How times have changed

    BY JUSTIN ELLIOTT



    Reuters/AP
    Sen. Orrin Hatch and Arnold Schwarzenegger

    The political world has just been roiled by another flare-up over birtherism, which is, at its heart, about fears that a foreigner could be holding the reins of American power. As I documented yesterday, birtherism is an idea that many elected Republicans couldn't bring themselves to fully repudiate.
    So it's striking to remember that eight short years ago a Republican senator proposed amending the Constitution specifically to allow foreign-born citizens to run for the presidency.
    The Weekly Standard reported back then:
    On July 10, 2003, Orrin Hatch, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, took action against what he calls "an anachronism that is decidedly un-American." He introduced a bill that would allow a person who has been a U.S. citizen for 20 years and a resident for 14 years to run for president.
    It was called the "Equal Opportunity to Govern Amendment," and it proposed changing the Constitution to allow those born abroad to run for president. (Full text here.)
    The bill is still listed deep in the archives of Hatch's website as the "Presidential Eligibility Amendment." Hatch, who is trying to hold on to his seat in the face of a potential Tea Party challenge, apparently hasn't talked about the measure in recent years. It is missing from the "Constitution" section of his website's issues page. (I've asked Hatch's office whether he still supports the amendment, and I will update this post if I hear back.)
    The measure, which never got out of the Senate Judiciary Committee, was known colloquially as the Arnold Amendment because it was seen as targeting the Austrian-born Arnold Schwarzenegger, then a GOP rising star. (It won support from his wife, Maria Shriver, among others.)
    When the Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing on the amendment in October 2004, Hatch waxed patriotic:
    Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm, who was born in Canada, also supports this amendment. She explained: You cannot choose where you are born, but you can choose where you live and where you swear your allegiance. And I think if she has 20 years of living in this country, she ought to have the privilege of running for President if she so chooses.
    This is also true for the more than 700 immigrant recipients of the Congressional Medal of Honor—our Nation’s highest decoration for valor—who risked their lives defending the freedoms and liberties of this Nation, many of whom gave their lives. But no matter how great their sacrifice, leadership, or love for our country, they remain ineligible to be a candidate for President. Now, this amendment would remove this unfounded inequity.
    The entire transcript of the hearing, in which Republicans like Don Nickles and Dana Rohrabacher also testified in support, makes for interesting reading (.pdf) today. A cynic would say that this sort of rhetoric from Republican officials became impossible when a black man named Barack Obama -- who many in the GOP base believed was born in Africa -- was elected president.


    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    If it's not a big deal, and if the certificate is correct - why make it public now, and not a couple of years ago when questions around it started to emerge?

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    Just for fun.
    Funny, but a ridiculous distraction to a serious subject.

    Jack
    I disagree that this is a serious subject. The wars and the economy are serious. Obama's birth certificate is a distraction. It's about as important as the Royal wedding tomorrow.
    Dawn
    Spoken like an ardent Democrat.

    Jack
    No Obama makes me sick I just think this is irrelevent given all that is going on in the counry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawn Meredith View Post
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    Funny, but a ridiculous distraction to a serious subject.

    Jack
    I disagree that this is a serious subject. The wars and the economy are serious. Obama's birth certificate is a distraction. It's about as important as the Royal wedding tomorrow.
    Dawn
    Spoken like an ardent Democrat.

    Jack
    No Obama makes me sick I just think this is irrelevent given all that is going on in the counry.
    As a lawyer you have no problem with an unlawful act by the president?
    You have no problem with the constitutionality of his presidency?

    Is Obama above the law?

    Jack

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    http://classic-web.archive.org/web/2...ws26060403.htm

    Just posting this for you Jack. Can't say for it's authenticity or not.

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    Big Issue | Financial Standard | Maddo | Pulse | Style | SocietySunday, June 27, 2004Kenyan-born Obama all set for US SenateKenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.
    The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.
    Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.

    Barrack Obama"It’s clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race," Ryan, 44, said in a statement. "What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play."
    Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one ‘avant-garde’ club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was "truly outrageous" that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.
    The Republican choice will become an instant underdog in the campaign for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald, since Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.
    "I feel for him actually," Obama told a Chicago TV station. "What he’s gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldn’t wish on anybody."
    The Republican state committee must now choose a replacement for Ryan, who had won in the primaries against seven contenders. Its task is complicated by the fact that Obama holds a comfortable lead in the polls and is widely regarded as a rising Democratic star.
    The chairwoman of the Illinois Republican Party, Judy Topinka, said at a news conference, after Ryan withdrew, that Republicans would probably take several weeks to settle on a new candidate.
    "Obviously, this is a bad week for our party and our state," she said.
    As recently as Thursday, spokesmen for the Ryan campaign still insisted that Ryan would remain in the race. Ryan had defended himself saying, "There’s no breaking of any laws. There’s no breaking of any marriage laws. There’s no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere."

    —AP

    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    Well, Jack, they certainly aren't talking about Obama's birth issues today, are they? They are talking about the death of another deep political patsy, as confirmed by more fake photos and the shipping of the 4" steel beams to China... ooops, i meant the disposal of the body at sea.
    "Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"

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    1) Chester A Arthur was, by all accounts, born in Canada. None of the Republicans at the time had any problem with this. They just conveniently enlarged the state known as "Maine" to include everything north of New Hampshire.

    2) I am positively appalled at the number of talking pinheads who don't know what a typewriter is who keep blathering on about how the "fonts" on the document don't match and how the darkness of the impressions varies. They apparently think that the government of Hawaii had word processors back in 1961. From the looks of it, the document wasn't even typed with an electric model. From what that intellectual giant, Alex Jones, has said, I don't even think he understands that the form was printed with linotype on a printing press using printer's ink and that the blanks were filled in with a typewriter using a cloth ribbon. It's understandable, I guess. The spellchecker here doesn't even recognize "linotype" as a word.

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