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    The largest loss to the team took place in April of 2011 when Taliban fighters shot down a U.S. helicopter and killed 22 members of SEAL Team Six, along with 16 other U.S. troops. None of those SEALs, however, were reported to have worked on the Bin Laden raid.



    Contrast the foregoing with this:

    The helicopter was carrying 25 of Britain's most senior intelligence experts from Northern Ireland to a conference in Inverness.All 29 people on board, including the four special forces crew, died when the Chinook crashed on the Mull of Kintyre, on the west coast of Scotland.


    See: 1994 Chinook "crash" for fuller story. At the time this "crash" was widely viewed as being convenient with the death of 25 intelligence community types and was thought to be a "clean up" operation of the Irish problem.




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    Hersh Says bin Laden Kill Story "One Big Lie"

    By Sherwood Ross
    10/17/13


    If Seymour Hersh says the tale of the death of Osama bin Laden at the hands of US Navy SEALS is "one big lie" and "not one word of it is true," President Obama will be hard pressed to keep his job when Hersh's new book comes out. Over a lifetime, investigative reporter Hersh has become famous for his accuracy, honesty, reliability and integrity and if he says the bin Laden tale is a fake, you can take it to the bank.



    Hersh told "The Guardian," Britain's investigative daily, "Nothing's been done about that story." A Pakistani report on the killing of bin Laden, Hersh says, was published with considerable U.S. input and is "a bullshit report." bin Laden allegedly was killed by a SEAL team in Abbottabad, Pakistan, May 1, 2011.


    Hersh is writing a book about national security, "The Guardian" says, and he's hinted it will include a chapter on the Seals raid in Pakistan that allegedly bumped off bin Laden.


    President Obama's administration lies systematically, Hersh asserts, yet is never challenged by America's supine media. "It's pathetic, they are more than obsequious, they are afraid to pick on this guy (Obama)," Hersh said.


    Hersh claims President Obama is worse than Bush, "Guardian" writer Lisa O'Carroll, who interviewed Hersh, reports."Do you think Obama's been judged by any rational standards?" Hersh asks."Has Guantanamo closed? Is a war over? Is anyone paying attention to Iraq? Is he seriously talking about going into Syria?"How does Obama get away with the drone program?" How does he justify it? What's the intelligence?"Why don't we find out how good or bad this policy is?"


    Hersh concludes, "The republic's in trouble, we lie about everything, lying has become the staple."


    In his bid for re-election in 2012, the Obama campaign milked the bin Laden slaying for all it was worth, making a video narrated by actor Tom Hanks about it. The "Huffington Post's" Ben Feller at the time wrote an article headlined, "Obama Campaign Using Osama Bin Laden Killing As 2012 Campaign Tool."


    Obama earlier had trumpeted the killing as "the most significant achievement in our fight against Al Quida."


    And Hersh says today the "gotcha" story is all "One Big Lie." Sounds like an investigation, perhaps even a prosecution, may be in order.
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    I'm looking forward to his book when it comes out. Not just the bin-laden chapter, although that too.
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    Pakistan TV Exposes bin Laden Killing Hoax

    By Paul Craig Roberts

    October 18, 2013 "Information Clearing House - Original Bashir interview that contradicts Washington’s account of killing bin Laden

    A website in the UK, themindrenewed.com, that downloaded the video from the link in my original report of the Pakistani TV interview with Mohammad Bashir has posted the interview with the original English subtitles. You can view it here:


    This interview of an eyewitness to the entire event is powerful evidence that the Obama regime’s story of the killing of Osama bin Laden and his burial at sea is a hoax and a lie. Pakistani Samaa TV confirms that Bashir is who he says he is and that he lives next to the alleged bin Laden compound. Samaa TV also confirms that neighbors knew the residents of the “compound.” There has never been any mention of the Bashir interview in the presstitute media.

    http://themindrenewed.com/interviews/2013/334-int-32


    Published on Oct 16, 2013
    Mohammad Bashir, Abbottabad resident and neighbour to the alleged “compound” of Osama bin Laden, gives his eyewitness account of what he saw happen on 2 May 2011 (local time), when – according to the official story – US Navy SEALs assassinated Osama bin Laden. In this interview, soon after the event, with a Pakistan national TV station (Samaa.tv), Bashir gives an account which fundamentally contradicts the official story.

    Transcript of the interview
    here
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    CNN just had the Seals who allegedly shot Bin Laden describing the mission.


    What CNN did was let the Seals highlight the reasons why they shot Bin Laden in their own words. It was a nice propaganda piece where they spoke of killing Bin Laden for the people who were in the towers. They personalized it with specific names as well as telling what the victims and their family members did that day. One Seal said he did it for the woman who straightened out her skirt before jumping to escape burning to death.


    So what CNN is brainwashing the public with is a normalization of what is basically the SS Nazi Special Forces who (allegedly) executed an unarmed man and are now on CNN unopposed bragging about it. If you look at the situation we now have a CNN government where Seal murderers short circuit American democracy and come on to explain their murders at their own will using their own logic. There was no opposition on the CNN show, just the Smerconish host and the Seal. So we now have a new form of government where the people and their right to hear Osama Bin Laden and his side under the sacred Constitutional right to trial are bypassed by these cowardly murdering Navy Seals who murder unarmed men and brag about it unopposed. Nope, you won't see that Seal coward talk about the Constitutional issues over what he did. Nope, he's too busy sunning himself in the glow of American fascism and its power. Meanwhile there was no mention that it would have been just as easy to handcuff Bin Laden and take him back with them as murder him. Shining SS Glory!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Doyle View Post
    CNN just had the Seals who allegedly shot Bin Laden describing the mission.


    What CNN did was let the Seals highlight the reasons why they shot Bin Laden in their own words. It was a nice propaganda piece where they spoke of killing Bin Laden for the people who were in the towers. They personalized it with specific names as well as telling what the victims and their family members did that day. One Seal said he did it for the woman who straightened out her skirt before jumping to escape burning to death.


    So what CNN is brainwashing the public with is a normalization of what is basically the SS Nazi Special Forces who (allegedly) executed an unarmed man and are now on CNN unopposed bragging about it. If you look at the situation we now have a CNN government where Seal murderers short circuit American democracy and come on to explain their murders at their own will using their own logic. There was no opposition on the CNN show, just the Smerconish host and the Seal. So we now have a new form of government where the people and their right to hear Osama Bin Laden and his side under the sacred Constitutional right to trial are bypassed by these cowardly murdering Navy Seals who murder unarmed men and brag about it unopposed. Nope, you won't see that Seal coward talk about the Constitutional issues over what he did. Nope, he's too busy sunning himself in the glow of American fascism and its power. Meanwhile there was no mention that it would have been just as easy to handcuff Bin Laden and take him back with them as murder him. Shining SS Glory!
    Nicely put Albert.

    I would add to your final sentence "If indeed it was bin Laden they allegedly killed"

    It was clearly intended as the heroic denoument of the wicked evil bin Laden story in exactly the manner you describe. Those who understand something of the sordid realities of that story see it for what it is - utterly crass propaganda at the expense of an insufferable, used-up psychopath, intoxicated by the military drug of prospective glory and blind to his own evil and the real purposes of his masters.
    Peter Presland

    ".....there is something far worse than Nazism, and that is the hubris of the Anglo-American fraternities, whose routine is to incite indigenous monsters to war, and steer the pandemonium to further their imperial aims"
    Guido Preparata. Preface to 'Conjuring Hitler'
    "Never believe anything until it has been officially denied"
    Claud Cockburn


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    Personally I don't believe for one second it was bin Laden. They showed us all his furniture and computer, but where was the dialysis machine?

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    I agree. There would be no need for a dialysis machine if he died back in December 2001, which is what I think happened, and what was reported as having happened by French intelligence and French media at the time.
    The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
    Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14

  9. Default Not forgetting the deeply moving burial at sea

    The US Government has not produced any hard evidence to corroborate this story. No DNA, no photos and the highly implausible—verging on ludicrous—burial at sea aboard the USS Carl Vinson. According to freedom of information requests not one of the 3,200 ship’s complement spotted this. You’d think that would indicate a massive security lapse, don’t they have people on watch? Oh yes, and the helmet-mounted cameras of the Navy Seals—just like CCTV when the shadowy cabal act—blacked out for 25 minutes during the raid. The only evidence for this raid is a narrative, and even that was repeatedly revised. To put the reliability of US claims about OBL in perspective, just Google for pictures of Osama’s amazing Tora Bora mountain hideout that were circulated in 2001. Designed by Blofeld, it apparently consisted of an impregnable fortress housing 2,000 men complete with a hospital, a hydroelectric power plant, offices, a hotel, arms and ammunition stores, roads large enough to drive a tank into, and sophisticated tunnel, and ventilation systems. Funny they never found it. Especially as, according to that great truth-teller Donald Rumsfeld, there wasn’t just one, there were many of them up there. It really makes one hold one’s head in despair that people take any of this seriously. But then if you read the Daily Mail story about the burial at sea and the fact that no sailors saw it, nine out of the first ten comments displayed are openly derisive of the US account. So maybe the people aren’t quite as stupid after all.

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    Not to mention he was never on the FBI's Most Wanted list because they had no evidence he was behind 911.
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    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

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