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    Thanks, Lauren.

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    I read with great interest your long article at the link provided above by Lauren.

    From the Higgins memo of 25 September 1963:

    He considers it as a parallel in history; i.e., the plot to kill Hitler; and this plot is being studied in detail to develop an approach.

    Valkyrie was aided by Allen Dulles and Mary Bancroft. Allen was in Dallas just weeks before the assassination visiting Lee Oswald's "landlady" Ruth Paine, whose husband's mother's long friend was Mary Bancroft.

    There is a powerful irony in the use of the Hitler plot as model: As shown by Gehlen, Gesevius et al, paperclip, U.S. intelligence, CIA specifically has been tight with German.

    Craig Roberts:

    Gehlen had been planning this move for months. He noted in his memoirs that, "Early in 1944 I told my more intimate colleagues that I considered the war lost and we must begin thinking of the future...and plan for the approaching catastrophe."

    By using certain trusted contacts within the German High Command who had both pre-war and current business dealings across national boundaries, Gehlen had coordinated a deal with a specified contact within the American intelligence community. Namely Allen Dulles.

    Dulles knew Gehlen was coming. In April, one month before the war ended, and forty-five days before Gehlen surrendered to Bokor, Dulles ordered an aide to begin talks with the German general through intermediaries in Berlin.

    Dulles had been DCI when Eisenhower approved a plan to change the regime in Cuba. This we know is what CIA always does on demand.

    Under Dulles Helms tasks Harvey with an offer for Castro.

    On 12th March, 1961, William Harvey arranged for CIA operative, Jim O'Connell, to meet Sam Giancana, Santo Trafficante, Johnny Roselli and Robert Maheu at the Fontainebleau Hotel. (per Ronald Kessler, CIA at War.)

    Also from Kessler:

    At a meeting of this committee at the White House on 4th November, 1961, it was decided to call this covert action program for sabotage and subversion against Cuba, Operation Mongoose. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy also decided that General Edward Lansdale (Staff Member of the President's Committee on Military Assistance) should be placed in charge of the operation.

    Surely Mongoose (Get Castro) was plausible denial for Kill Kennedy. Also November 1961 Allen Dulles resigns. He calls in Howard Hunt for a book. And for other matters.

    I would like to see your brilliant Valkyrie theme developed in The Movie for 2013.

    A few exceptions which ought not detract from the whole:

    Waldron put me to sleep. Even Douglass required only 400 pages of text, 100 pages of notes; not 900 pages.

    A Liz Smith and Waldron link does not add to anything.

    The comments of Volkmar Schmidt seem to stipulate that Lee shot at Walker. That cannot be true. Two men left in two cars, the evidentiary bullet was switched (which angered Walker), the police did not consider Oswald a suspect until Marina fingered him--after he was dead I believe.

    Any suggestion the weapon was fired (let alone purchased, received, practiced with, stored, transported) by Lee is not provable. No trial was held. The fruit of the poisoned tree would have swept all the carnie props off the evidence list.

    For Phillips to say we were training Oswald to kill Castro, I don't know why he killed Kennedy is not credible. He was in Dallas that day. He was with Lee in Dallas that summer, per Veciana to Fonzi in Last Investigation.

    But those are not central to your stunning historic parallel.

    For in Germany and in the U.S. the military intelligence power moved to remove the head of state by executive action.

    Terminate with extreme prejudice.

    The hatred of the eevil Nazis is a tired cliche. The suggestion their last act of survival was a looking glass to our own sword and shield would bring a chorus of boos from the winged monkeys defending them.

    When you remove the impossible (lone gunman, magic bullet, no motive) what remains contains the truth.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=8mnuWdebK8o

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    Bill, I bow in humble salute to your piece and the thought and work behind it. Phil makes some good and valid points.....I think you now have the whole kernel of the story/plot, and with a few more little tweaks and additions, by the 50th we all will have this enigma wrapped in a mystery nailed down! If you haven't yet, please send a copy to Douglass and the other better researchers. [generally pass it around and have others suggest minor changes and additional supporting materials] I think you and they, with some back and forth, can turn this article into a book. Linda Minor has some important additional puzzle pieces, as do many others. I think we need a book with the whole basic story [the FULL story would entail and Encyclopedia of the JFK Assassination - something I have long envisioned] out for the 50th! Who does it, or if done as a collaboration doesn't matter......its our last chance, as I believe they have a new Valkyrie just 'moments' away from being sprung on America - this time the Head of State, per se, is not the target - but Constitutional Law, Freedom, and Democracy, itself [i.e. the People who are the real HEADS OF STATE = THE SOVEREIGN are the target]. When one reads a piece like that, one sees clearly how the cover-up kept many of the researchers chasing their tails after minutiae details that were mostly fabrications or unimportant, even if true...though many of these tail chasing endeavors have born fruit when it can be 'hung' on a framework, such as you present. The fog is clearing, and the picture now becoming apparent after all these decades of collaborative [and at times antagonistic] work has born fruit, indeed! Again, great piece!!! Fill it out much further, and have others help/suggest - my suggestion.
    Last edited by Peter Lemkin; 09-02-2012 at 06:34 AM.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    So it wasn't the Heydrich plot or the Castro plot but Valkyrie instead. Allen Dulles posing himself as one of the progressives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Doyle View Post
    So it wasn't the Heydrich plot or the Castro plot but Valkyrie instead. Allen Dulles posing himself as one of the progressives.
    P L E A S E, even contradicting the notion, don't put the words 'Allan Dulles' and 'progressive' on the same post...perhaps in the same universe!....the man was a fascist, bankster, liar, plotter, murderer, oligarch, imperialist, and criminal of the highest [sic] order.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Phil said:
    The comments of Volkmar Schmidt seem to stipulate that Lee shot at Walker. That cannot be true. Two men left in two cars, the evidentiary bullet was switched (which QUOTE]angered Walker), the police did not consider Oswald a suspect until Marina fingered him--after he was dead I believe.
    I can verfy that Oswald was not considered a suspect by the police in the General Walker shooting at around the time that it happened, April 10, 1963. That was a few days before I left for Atlantic City to give my research paper at the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology (FASEB) and the Walker shooting had been noted in our New Orleans newspapers. It was only after the assassination of President Kennedy that Oswald's name was attached to that shooting. If I recall correctly, General Walker himself did not think it had been Oswald, until maybe some longer time later, but initially no. I believe it was first published in a German newspaper.

    However, on the evening of April 22, 1963, at Blackie's House of Beef restaurant in Washington, D.C., Jose A. Rivera, Science Administrator at the National Institute of Neurological Diseases and Blindness (NINDB) of NIH, mentioned to me that "They think Oswald did it." Some hours before while he and I had waited to be seated, he had asked me if I knew "Lee Oswald" (to which I replied that I did not), and then Rivera proceeded to tell me that Oswald had been to the Soviet Union; was married to a Russian woman and they had a child; and were now living in Dallas, but would be coming to live in New Orleans. He also added that I should get to know them because "they were a lovely couple."

    As a result of this information, I was very much alerted to Oswald's possible connection to the Walker shooting, and was surprised that such a connection was made after the assassination. I rather had doubted that Oswald had shot at Walker and it soon became apparent that witnesses described two men being present at the scene ot Walker's home, as Phil described above. And, with everything else that Rivera had said about Oswald, I had begun thinking that he was being set up to be blamed (and he had been, as we now know).

    Adele

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    Some of the people discussing the Walker shooting forget that the bullet missed because it deflected off the window pane frame.

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    Bill, I hope you don't 'buy' the story that LHO shot Walker....cause it ain't so....was part of the legend they forced on Lee - some before, most DURING, some after.

    I have always noted to myself there was something sinister that needed explaining about LBJ's insisting on being sworn in on the plane.....I think you've found the answer.....and that goes a LONG way to connecting the 'dots'. It also indicates to me that if LBJ was not let in on the plot some while before the event, he was given enough hints to piece it together when it happened...and reacted immediately to secure his position in the cabal, lest he be bypassed completely.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Lemkin View Post
    Bill, I hope you don't 'buy' the story that LHO shot Walker....cause it ain't so....was part of the legend they forced on Lee - some before, most DURING, some after.

    I have always noted to myself there was something sinister that needed explaining about LBJ's insisting on being sworn in on the plane.....I think you've found the answer.....and that goes a LONG way to connecting the 'dots'. It also indicates to me that if LBJ was not let in on the plot some while before the event, he was given enough hints to piece it together when it happened...and reacted immediately to secure his position in the cabal, lest he be bypassed completely.
    Thanks for all the comments, and to Lauren for providing the correct link to the updated version.

    And no, Peter, I don't buy the idea that Oswald took the shot at Walker any more than he killed JFK.

    It's just that Volkmar Schmidt mentioned Walker and associated him with the plot to kill Hitler. When I asked Schmidt if he felt guilty for inspiring Oswald to take a shot at Walker he replied he felt guilty every time he drove through Dealey Plaza - as if he felt guilty for the assassination of JFK, not the Walker shooting.

    In any case, I haven't had time to read all the responses but will and get back to you on the comments.

    JFKcountercoup: Valkyrie At Dealey Plaza - Updated



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    We all owe a great deal of gratitude to Billy Kelly for his work revealing the Valkyrie plot
    and associating this plot to Dallas was ingenious.
    I am convinced that Castro's alleged threats were used to convince the Kennedys that Continuation of Governement exercises were necessary to deal with such potential threats.
    The military, the CIA and the SS could have been part of such an exercise that involved fake assasination threats in Chicago, Tampa and Dallas, only that Dallas turned to be the real thing. Could it be possible that Lansdale's presence in Dallas, Crichton and NECAP plane were all part of this exercise that was used by the conspirators as a Valkyrie style plot to assassinate JFK?
    A Valkyrie plot might indicate that the mechanics in Dealey Plaza were of German origin that Dulles had worked with them when in Bern. If not i would go for the Far East black ops team.

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