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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Klimkowski View Post
    Bloomfield joined the British military prior to World War II and served in Palestine as an Intelligence Officer under General Charles Orde Wingate.
    Source wiki, which attributes it to Canadian archives.

    This is significant. General Charles Orde Wingate was a racist British intelligence officer, Plymouth Brethren christian and ardent Zionist, who ran what we would now call death squads - the notorious Special Night Squads - targeting Arab villages in Palestine in the 1930s.

    By their mentors, shall ye know them....
    To make my interpretation explicit, an analysis of Charles Orde Wingate's later operations in Ethiopia and Burma reveals the use of "long range penetration" operations -small groups of Special Forces committing acts of sabotage deep behind enemy lines - and "stay behind guerilla units" fighting behind Japanese lines.

    Wingate's Special Night Squads in Palestine were known as the SNS. Later, the British military introduced specialist regiments such as the SAS and the SBS.

    So, Wingate is a philosophical godfather of ruthless, hardened, stay behind cadres, and of long range penetration units. His miltary doctrine also explicitly allows the use of collective punishment. In other words, he endorses the commission of atrocities to create fear in a civilian population.

    This "military" doctrine is very close to the known activities of Gladio, and its commission of false flag atrocities by "stay behind" cells to advance the Strategy of Tension.

    Bloomfield served under Wingate, and regarded him as a mentor.

    This is deeply disturbing and provocative.
    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Klimkowski View Post
    If Permindex was a legitimate business organisation, uninvolved in the assassination, then the plotters may have attempted to establish Permindex as a false sponsor after the Garrison investigation.

    I believe the Italian government investigated Permindex and couldn't determine exactly what it did. Piper says it was a CIA front designed to hide distribution of anti-communist black ops funds in Europe under the guise of international free trade. The Italian government couldn't figure out where Permindex got its funding either. Permindex was soon forced to relocate to South Africa.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Klimkowski View Post
    Strangely enough, I do not believe that Permindex was simply a trade organisation.

    Neither did the Italian government.




    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Klimkowski View Post
    Obvioiusly, that does not prove Permindex involvement in the assassination of JFK.

    I think it does somewhat prove they weren't excluded from close involvement, especially when you consider Shaw and what he symbolizes.

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    Seamus Coogan will have some interesting observations on Permindex in his upcoming article at CTKA.

    THese will be contained in a review of the latest Johnson did it BS, Joseph Farrell's "LBJ and the Conspiracy to Kill Kennedy". This mish mash makes the Nelson book look like it was written by Sylvia Meagher and Philip Melanson. I don't even think Fetzer will interview this guy.

    Anyway, if you can beleive it, at this late date, Farrell fell in love with the Torbitt Document. So Seamus discusses Torbitt and then analyzes what can be termed three groups of writing on Permindex, bu tnot quite in the following terms:

    1. Paris FLammonde, Garrison, myself, and Bill Davy.

    2. Steve Dorrill, Robin Ramsey and Max Holland.

    3. Torbitt, and Executive Intelligence Review.

    The first is clearly the most accurate. Permindex was a CIA affiliate that was involved in some reactionary skulduggery and probably was part of the Gladio apparatus.

    THe next two are pieces of disinformation--one which tries to deny the facts, and the second which tries to wildly exaggerate them.

    For Farrell to fall for Torbitt shows just how bad a writer he is and how bad his book is. Torbitt was clearly a CIA concoction meant to mislead by throwing out so many suspects that one could not keep up with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magda Hassan View Post
    Wasn't Linda doing research into Bloomfield? Or was it Willoghby? I can't remember.
    I have been getting back to this research recently, for some unknown reason, at the blog I created called Quixotic Joust. Awhile back I had wondered about Wisner's sponsors into intelligence after reading John Loftus' book published by TrineDay. There are several entries at the blog about Wisner's early years before he finished law school and shortly after that. I think that who one knows at that crucial time is usually critical in the direction a career takes. Wisner's secret backer into Wall Street was his friend Frank Lord from the Lord Day Lord law firm family--which was housed in the Cunard Building in New York. There were also connections with the Shroeder Bank of Germany and London, which served as a strong link to the Dulles brothers as well.

    After the war ended in 1946, the U.S. got involved in the so-called humanitarian effort to rescue Europe from the ravages of the war. The Marshall Plan was created and funded with profits Americans had made from selling armaments to those countries. Factories that made innocent products like electric toy trains and razor blades were converted for war use. The machinery that made such metal parts was easily converted to making gun parts. The manufacturers also discovered there was much more money to be made in weapons than in toys and blades.

    It was also in 1948 that Israel became a recognized nation within Palestine. It would be used by both Britain and the U.S. to protect oil interests in Iran and Saudi Arabia, respectively. But Israel had to have weapons, and also had its eye on the bomb that was dropped on Japan, which it sought for its own survival.

    Before the U.S. came into the war, the British had established their ultra-secret Camp X in Canada, near Toronto, where they trained American intelligence operatives. Sir Willilam Stephenson was an investment banker, as were most of the men working for Wild Bill Donovan, so it was only natural they would turn to the stock market as a way to raise money for their various schemes. Bloomfield used the Toronto Stock Exchange, and the Americans used New York.

    That is the basic outline for my current research, which will be posted at Quixotic Joust as completed. There is a search engine for the site and also an RSS feed is available there.
    "History records that the Money Changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance." --James Madison

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    Jan and everyone,

    Thank you all for your informatiion and references. The material on Clay Shaw, Permindex, Centro Mondiale, industrial and oil corporations, banks, Wall Street, CIA and other government agencies, may all be somehow linked to the JFK assassination, along with the others in 1960s and even in 1999 (JFK, Jr.). It's a matter of pulling the tangled web apart and following proper leads.

    Adele
    Last edited by Adele Edisen; 02-12-2012 at 08:34 AM.

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    has anyone looked into Maurice Philipps site regarding the Bloomfield files?

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    Hey there peeps. Funny, I never actually put the link to my finished article here. Well here it is. In fact it serves as an entree into the JFK-MJ-12 palava a number of people are still trying to defend or find 'nuggets of truth in'. The thing I continue to find wholly bizarre is the way in which adherence of the Torbitt document or say the MJ-12 ones (these people are of a similar ilk) waste their time trying to find out all manner of 'facts' which verify them, not the reality of the bullshit facts in them. These documents as I have demonstrated in both pieces have also been changed continually over time. There are no original Torbitt documents available.

    http://www.ctka.net/2011/failings_farrell.html
    "In the Kennedy assassination we must be careful of running off into the ether of our own imaginations." Carl Ogelsby circa 1992

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    The Permindex - Roy Cohn link appears to come down to the veracity or not of the following claim:

    The purchase of a minority stake in Permindex by Lionel Corporation was financed by a $600K loan arranged by Roy Cohn.

    According to the LaRouche tome, Dope Inc:

    According to official incorporation papers on file in New York City and Berne, Switzerland, mob attorney Roy Marcus Cohn and Montreal crime boss Joseph Bonanno were both personal stockholders in Permindex through their ownership of the Lionel Corporation of Hillside, New Jersey.
    Cohn acquired Lionel Corporation in 1959:

    Source - New York Times archive:

    GROUP ACQUIRES LIONEL CONTROL; Roy Cohn Heads Syndicate That Has Bought More Than 200,000 Shares

    A group headed by Roy M. Cohn, a member of the New York law firm of Saxe, Bacon O'Shea, has acquired control of the Lionel Corporation, manufacturer of model trains and electronics and electro-mechanical devices.
    On the Lionel board with Cohn, as Linda Minor reminds us, was General John B Medaris:


    August 8, 1960 - General Medaris Heads Toy Firm
    NEW YORK (AP) — Maj. Gen. John B. Medaris, former head of the Army rocket and guided missile program, today became president of a toy train manufacturing company. Lionel Corp. announced Medaris' new position. He also was elected a director. Lionel has been without a president since last October. Lionel has long been the nation's largest manufacturer of electric trains and accessories. It also makes other electric and mechanical toys, chemistry sets and sporting equipment. The company also manufactures an explosive switch with broad applications in bombs, missiles, rockets and mines. Medaris resigned from the Army in January. At that time he claimed the United States' "reluctant dragon" attitude toward space was leading to disaster
    There are claims that during this period Lionel Corporation was used for arms trafficking and money laundering.

    For whatever reason, Lionel's accounts showed a loss of over $6 million in the next couple of years, and Medaris and Cohn both departed.

    However, let's return to Medaris for a moment. He has been described as the "patron of Wernher von Braun".

    I've attached a photo of Medaris and von Braun together.
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    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

  9. Default Medaris asks Von Braun to be his pallbearer (1964)

    the era of Roy Cohn and Major General John B. Medaris – who after leaving Lionel and driven by what many believe was a miraculous cure of cancer, entered the priesthood and was ordained an Episcopal priest in 1970 and became known simply as Father Bruce.

    http://www.projectroar.com/pdf/FF_LOTS_032509.pdf

    The Origins of PERMINDEX
    http://ce399fascism.wordpress.com/20...-of-permindex/
    A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK’s Assassination, and the Case that Should Have Changed History. by Joan Mellen. Pgs. 136-140.


    I HAVE SOME SECRETS FOR YOU

    by MAURICE PHILIPPS
    http://somesecretsforyou.blogspot.co...papers-ii.html


    Cured of Cancer, a General Turned Priest Uses His Faith to Try to Heal Others

    Rocket genius Dr. Wernher von Braun is still stunned as he recalls that day: his friend and former commander, Maj. Gen. John B. Medaris, then four years retired, strode into Alabama's Redstone Arsenal, the Army's guided missile headquarters. Standing erectly before Von Braun's desk, he asked the scientist if he would be one of his pallbearers.

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    His ministry has also embraced exorcism, which Medaris says he stumbled into. "One night," he recalls, "the Lord served me up a girl who was catatonically possessed. I sweated with her for about 30 minutes trying to get that monkey out of her. All of a sudden, a man sitting on a stool beside her fell over backwards. He later said he felt a blast of wind go right over his shoulder. Every muscle in the girl let go and she started murmuring the name of Jesus. It is what I had been calling on her to say."
    http://www.people.com/people/archive...065443,00.html

    Of all the gin joints—

    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/appearance/466273090

    And Seligman banking family Basel represented ably by Sullivan & Cromwell, in whose service we note John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles, prominently.

    Dulles arranging the 20 million loan to Germany in 1930, later pooh-poohing the threat of Hitler.

    Sam Waterson bridled at Bill Moyers’ daisy-plucking girl, but the daisy chain was the German-American Bund. James Bund. (That little Dulles. . .he thought he was a. . . .)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Dragoo View Post
    the era of Roy Cohn and Major General John B. Medaris – who after leaving Lionel and driven by what many believe was a miraculous cure of cancer, entered the priesthood and was ordained an Episcopal priest in 1970 and became known simply as Father Bruce.

    http://www.projectroar.com/pdf/FF_LOTS_032509.pdf

    The Origins of PERMINDEX
    http://ce399fascism.wordpress.com/20...-of-permindex/
    A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK’s Assassination, and the Case that Should Have Changed History. by Joan Mellen. Pgs. 136-140.


    I HAVE SOME SECRETS FOR YOU

    by MAURICE PHILIPPS
    http://somesecretsforyou.blogspot.co...papers-ii.html


    Cured of Cancer, a General Turned Priest Uses His Faith to Try to Heal Others

    Rocket genius Dr. Wernher von Braun is still stunned as he recalls that day: his friend and former commander, Maj. Gen. John B. Medaris, then four years retired, strode into Alabama's Redstone Arsenal, the Army's guided missile headquarters. Standing erectly before Von Braun's desk, he asked the scientist if he would be one of his pallbearers.

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    His ministry has also embraced exorcism, which Medaris says he stumbled into. "One night," he recalls, "the Lord served me up a girl who was catatonically possessed. I sweated with her for about 30 minutes trying to get that monkey out of her. All of a sudden, a man sitting on a stool beside her fell over backwards. He later said he felt a blast of wind go right over his shoulder. Every muscle in the girl let go and she started murmuring the name of Jesus. It is what I had been calling on her to say."
    http://www.people.com/people/archive...065443,00.html

    Of all the gin joints—

    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/appearance/466273090

    And Seligman banking family Basel represented ably by Sullivan & Cromwell, in whose service we note John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles, prominently.

    Dulles arranging the 20 million loan to Germany in 1930, later pooh-poohing the threat of Hitler.

    Sam Waterson bridled at Bill Moyers’ daisy-plucking girl, but the daisy chain was the German-American Bund. James Bund. (That little Dulles. . .he thought he was a. . . .)
    Isn't it a shame that this has all been butchered by so many people. Because Phil and Jan I agree, the Kennedy assassination is perhaps the most important aspect of this. But still ony one of many aspect in this case. Very refreshing to be around people who 'get it' so to speak. The interesting directions one can go down with this stuff, is pretty impressive. I had come across the Medaris religious shite before. Not these links however. What I also hadn't come across were Phils other links. Cheers Jan for passing me on to this. Phil cheers for the posting. Of all the non Medaris links you have which one dealing with Permindex do you think I should start? From top to bottom? I'm running short on time so will need some bang for my buck.

    (half an hour later) Oh no hold on just read em. Phillips has some nice stuff on Nagy, I'm a bit concerned about his referencing. However his documents are legitimate. I'm going to have to give him a wider viewing a bit to open to the Torbitt/La Rouche bollocks it seems....but I've only really just begun reading Maurice. Anyhow I really liked that little Lionel PDF, it was a very nice little summation. I think the pick of the bunch is Mellens Permindex break down. If it hasn't been posted yet I've included Flammondes piece.

    http://www.maebrussell.com/Articles and Notes/Kennedy Conspiracy.html

    Oh by the way all the stuff put out from here on in is going to go into a CTKA piece on this with Teddy Rubenstein. Do you and Jan wanna join us. I extend that invitation to Mags as well. Those patents were great!!!!!
    Last edited by Seamus Coogan; 04-28-2012 at 11:17 PM.
    "In the Kennedy assassination we must be careful of running off into the ether of our own imaginations." Carl Ogelsby circa 1992

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