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    First, a little background music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns1m2fwvlC8

    Grammy nominated QSF plays "The Golden Horn" by Dave Brubeck at the American String Teachers Association 2010 conference held in Santa Clara California. QSF Members are Jeremy Cohen and Alisa Rose, violins. Keith Lawrence, viola. Michelle Djokic, cello.

    I much prefer the real version [ http://www.myspace.com/davidbrubeck/...-horn-31647239 ], but the strings lend a timbre of tension.

    In my younger years when I would dabble with tabletop wargaming, I owned a game which simulated the presence of the US Sixth Fleet in the 80's in the Mediterranean. It was like playing Diplomacy with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles. There were so many players sprinkled around the apron of the playing field, each with a small navy and air capacity (including Britain and especially France) and, of course, the two giants, Russia and the USA.

    Today, we can sprinkle in the protests in Egypt and Israel, the recent Libyan events and NATO, competing NATO entities, the Grecian situation, and more:


    Riot police battle austerity protesters in Greece

    Posted on September 12, 2011 by willyloman





    Here's a partial from Tuesday's batch of links from RiceFarmer:

    ## Fault lines/flashpoints/military ##
    Turkey warns may launch ground raid in Northern Iraq
    "Turkey warned on Tuesday that it was preparing a possible ground operation against Kurdish separatist militants in northern Iraq, depending on the result of talks with Iraq."
    Egypt fears Turkey's Erdogan will use visit to stir up anti-Israel sentiment
    Erdogan slams Israel on start of Arab tour
    Turkish PM throws weight behind Arab cause
    "Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Tuesday it was time to "raise the Palestinian flag at the United Nations" in a rallying call to Arab states before a Palestinian U.N. membership bid opposed by Washington."
    Saudi Official: US Veto for Palestinian State Will Cost Saudi Alliance
    Israel's Gaza blockade illegal: UN experts
    Taliban attack across Kabul, target U.S. Embassy
    "Taliban fighters fired rockets at the U.S. Embassy and NATO headquarters in Kabul on Tuesday and attacked police in three other areas in the biggest assault the insurgent group has mounted on the Afghan capital."
    Shin Bet: Israel's extreme rightists organizing into terror groups
    "Extreme right-wing Jewish activists in the West Bank have moved from spontaneous acts against Arabs - following the demolition of Jewish homes by Israeli authorities, or terror attacks against Jews - to organized planning that includes use of a database of potential targets, according to new analysis by the Shin Bet security service."
    Thunder Down Under - Western Australia Talks Secession over Canberra's Energy Policies
    U.S. Boots on the Ground in Libya, Pentagon Confirms
    UN report warns Yemen risks sliding into civil war
    NATO: Iraq Mission to Continue Through End of 2013

    ## Global unrest/mob rule/angry people ##
    Angry crowd turns on journalists reporting embassy attack in Egypt

    ## Energy/resources ##Iraq's Kurdish Region Stops All Crude Oil Exports, Minister al-Luaibi Says
    Gadhafi Forces Attack Oil Refinery, Killing 17
    "In the first major regime counter-offensive in over a week, forces loyal to Moammar Gadhafi attacked a rebel-held oil refinery in Ras Lanuf today, one of the few refineries which escaped NATO bombardment during the civil war."

    Permanent Link posted by Rice Farmer @ 5:37 PM



    And a slice of Xymphora.blogspot in Canada:

    "Israel to ‘punish’ Turkey":
    "Lieberman is also planning to set meetings with the heads of Kurdish rebel group PKK in Europe in order to “cooperate with them and boost them in every possible area.” In these meetings, the Kurds may ask Israel for military aid in the form of training and arms supplies, a move that would constitute a major anti-Turkish position should it materialize."
    You'd have to be awfully naive to think that this kind of material military support hasn't already been going on.

    "UAVs 'could end Israel-Turkey rift'":
    "As far as the UAVs are concerned, on Aug. 31 Haaretz quoted a "senior Turkish source" as saying it was possible the 27-year war against the Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK, "may actually be the factor that rehabilitates relations between Turkey and Israel.
    "Turkey needs the UAVs and Israel is likely to be a good source, especially when the fact that Turkey already has a service platform for Israeli UAVs is taken into account."
    The Herons provided by Israel have reportedly been deployed to gather intelligence on PKK fighters operating from neighboring Iraq's Kurdish region.
    Hundreds of PKK guerrillas have been reported killed in Turkish airstrikes in recent days."



    And a chunk of Stephen Lendman:

    TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 2011

    Israeli/Turkish/Palestinian Tensions


    Israeli/Turkish/Palestinian Tensions - by Stephen Lendman

    Issues affecting Palestinians include:
    • statehood within 1967 borders (22% of historic Palestine);

    • East Jerusalem as its capital;

    • full de jure UN membership;

    • 44 years of illegal occupation;

    • decades of unresolved Israeli crimes of war and against humanity;

    • daily land theft and dispossessions;

    • illegal detentions and torture;

    • argeted assassinations;

    • horrific levels of oppression and persecution overall; and

    • many other longstanding festering grievances.


    For Turkey, relations have deteriorated for years. Cast Lead exacerbated them. So did murdering nine Turkish nationals on May 31, 2010, aboard the Mavi Marmara humanitarian aid ship.

    On September 12, Today's Zaman (a Turkish English language broadsheet) headlined, "Erdogan: Mavi Marmara raid was 'cause for war,' " saying:

    Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said:

    "The May 31, 2010 (incident), the attack that took place in international waters, did not comply with international law. In fact, it was a cause for war. However, befitting Turkey's grandness (sic), we decided to act with patience."

    He added more, saying Turkish warships will now patrol Eastern Mediterranean waters. Their mission will include escorting future Gaza humanitarian aid ships.

    After Israel refused to apologize for the killings, Turkey expelled its ambassador, imposed sanctions, and suspended military agreements. It also said it'll enforce free Eastern Mediterranean navigation.

    Erdogan emphasized that "Turkish ships, I mean military ships, more often (will patrol) international waters in the Eastern Mediterranean, especially in (Turkey's) exclusive economic zone."

    Israeli bullying no longer will be tolerated.

    Erdogan also challenged a Cyprus plan to explore offshore Eastern Mediterranean gas fields bordering Israeli waters, saying they belong to Turkish occupied northern Cyprus.

    In August, Israel and Cyprus discussed offshore energy exploration cooperation, Netanyahu citing "overlapping interests."

    Erdogan responded, saying:

    "You know that Israel has begun to declare that it has the right to act in exclusive economic areas of the Mediterranean. You will see that it will not be the owner of this right, because Turkey, as a guarantor of the Turkish republic of north Cyprus, has taken steps in the area, and it will be decisive and hold fast to the right to monitor international waters in the eastern Mediterranean."

    By acting lawlessly and refusing to apologize, Israel "condemn(ed) itself to isolation."

    While not wanting to jeopardize relations with Washington, Turkey's exerting its influence as a regional power. It has enough military might to back up its words with muscle. It includes 650,000 troops, second largest NATO force after America.

    Israel, of course, is a powerhouse in its own right, including nuclear weapons and delivery systems to launch them.

    Forced Displacements While Disingenuously Talking Peace

    Almost daily, Israel proves its rogue credentials. It's a regional menace threatening peace and security. Then it wonders why affected nations and people react adversely.

    Poor Israel! Why is it so misunderstood? Perhaps because Palestinians and regional neighbors long ago acknowledged its lawless disregard for international law, norms and standards.

    Israeli/Palestinian peace talks are a case in point. They've been stillborn since inception and remain so, disingenuous rhetoric notwithstanding.

    Nonetheless, Israel "resurrects" them strategically to change the subject, as well as pressure Palestinians to accept subjugation, not freedom on their own land in their own country.

    Moreover, Washington lurks menacingly in the wings, backing up Israel's muscle with its own, and no shyness about using it.

    At issue today is growing Israeli isolation ahead of Mahmoud Abbas petitioning the UN for statehood and UN membership.

    He's doing it even though smart money wagers he'll accept less than Palestinians deserve, leaving them back at square one. Bet on it!

    On September 13, Haaretz writer Barak Ravid headlined, "Israeli intelligence urges return to peace talks with Palestinians," saying:

    "In recent weeks, the Foreign Ministry, Military Intelligence, the Shin Bet security service and the Mossad" distributed documents, saying negotiations will "tone down tensions and anger against Israel."

    In recent cabinet meetings, discussions focused around restarting what never before worked because Israel won't tolerate peace - just its appearance, an illusion to continue illegal military occupation.

    Nonetheless, Defense Minister Ehud Barak told ministers:

    "By sharpening tensions with the Palestinians, we are inviting (greater) isolation on Israel."

    Meanwhile, Spain, France, and Catherine Ashton (EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy) are trying to negotiate a "package deal" to have all 27 EU member states support "upgrading the PA to the status of a non-permanent member of the UN."

    In other words, they back the status quo despite Palestinians deserving better. At the same time, they want Washington to abstain on UN membership and continue financial aid in return for Abbas promising not to sue Israel in the International Criminal Court (ICC).

    They may, in fact, get what's totally unacceptable by hook, crook, or even threatening NATO intervention if Palestinians dare demand their rights.

    Ravid reported that Abbas, knowing he faces a US Security Council veto (even though illegal and without teeth, as previous articles explained), "decided to turn to the UN General Assembly....in order to seek the support of (EU) member states in the vote."

    Specific negotiated issues include:
    • Palestinians settling for permanent observer status, not full membership;

    • all or most EU nations supporting it without agreeing to recognize Palestine on a bilateral level;

    • Palestinians resuming no peace/peace negotiations, without preconditions, with no chance for an equitable resolution because Israel won't permit it;

    • Palestine's General Assembly petition "will be balanced and will combine elements of" Obama's May 19, 2011 speech, "and the conclusion of the EU's Foreign Affairs Council of December 2009."


    In other words, while petitioning for recognition within 1967 borders, it appears Abbas will agree to unacceptable land swaps.

    By so doing, he'll accept both status quo recognition surrender along with Palestinian statehood on worthless cantonized scrub land. A bantustan state.

    Again he'll reveal his collaborationist credentials, selling out his people for whatever ways he benefits.

    He's done it before so often, so it shouldn't surprise now. But it should be strongly condemned and rejected.

    At minimum, Palestinians deserve all land within 1967 borders and East Jerusalem as their capital - nothing less now or ever.

    Settlers could then choose either to become citizens of Palestine, or retain their current status in a foreign country under its laws, not Israel's.

    Doing what's right, however, was never Abbas' long suit. In days, it appears he'll again prove what Palestinians and their supporters already should know.

    Israel will wiggle out of another tough spot. Palestinians will end up with nothing. They'll still be occupied. Their land will keep being stolen. Their rights will be entirely denied.

    Justice again won't be delayed. It'll be disgracefully denied with Palestinian Authority compliance, at least from Abbas, Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, and other PA Israeli collaborators, selling out their people for their own self-interest. On its own, Israel does it belligerently.

    Displacing Bedouin Arab Israeli Citizens

    On September 12, Ma'an News said Israel's cabinet voted to displace tens of thousands of Negev Bedouin Arab Israeli citizens, offering them inadequate financial help to relocate.

    "Around 160,000 Bedouins live in Israel." Over half live in so-called unrecognized villages without municipal water, electricity, and other essential services because Israel refuses to provide them.

    Many are also deeply impoverished, struggling daily to get by. Israel now agreed to make their lot tougher by stealing their land and property, in return for forced displacement.

    Amnesty International (AI) condemned the plan, saying it "includes the forceful evacuation of thousands of Bedouins from their homes," calling it "a significant blow to (their) right to adequate accommodation."

    It's that and much more. It's destroying a way of life, as well as spurning the rights of its own citizens lawlessly.

    The Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) expressed righteous indignation. So did Bimkom-Planners for Planning Rights in a joint statement, denouncing "continued discrimination of the Bedouin community."

    Tens of thousands of Israeli citizens will be lawlessly uprooted from their homes - "against their will and in clear violation of their historical and proprietary rights to the land."

    The so-called Prawer Plan facilitates state-sponsored discrimination, "disregard(ing) one of the most disenfranchised communities in Israel, during a period in which (an internal) mass protest movement" demands social justice for ALL Israelis.

    Affected are 35 Negev Bedouin villages. They had no say in government policy. Since 1948, they've "suffer(ed) from severe neglect and lack of infrastructure...."

    The Prawer Plan contradicts Goldberg Commission findings, calling Bedouin treatment unjust and ineffective. It also ecommended injustices be corrected by recognizing their communities as they exist.

    "ACRI and Bimkom insist that only a master plan based on respect for human rights of the Bedouin population, and that includes them in the decision-making process with bring about a lasting and holistic solution in the Negev that will contribute to the betterment of all who live there, both Arabs and Jews."

    Israel wants none of it. It refuses to end 44 years of illegal occupation. Again, it's about to deny Palestinian statehood and full UN membership, and its Gaza siege keeps suffocating over 1.6 million Palestinians who deserve freedom, not de facto imprisonment.

    Israel's Gaza Closure Policy

    On September 12, the Gisha Legal Center for Freedom of Movement published Freedom of Information Act obtained documents, disclosing Israel's Gaza siege policy in its own words. Included were previously unknown details.

    "Despite (introduced) measures to 'ease' the closure, introduced in July 2010....there has been no change" in policy regarding free movement between Gaza, Israel, and the West Bank.

    Exceptions include a handful of merchants with Israeli-issued permits. However, even they so far can't exercise the right Israel granted them.

    Moreover:
    • movement restrictions affect categories of people, not individuals based on security concerns;

    • Gaza soccer players may access the West Bank, not students to attend universities or most Gazans needing medical care unavailable at home;

    • Gaza residents can't relocate to West Bank areas for family reunification or other reasons;

    • Gaza students awarded Fulbright scholarships can't leave to accept them;

    • Israel continues to prohibit construction materials and anything called "dual use" from entering Gaza; "dual use" is anything Israel says it is;

    • With few exceptions, exports are prohibited; and

    • Overall, isolation under siege is rigorously enforced; violators caught are arrested or shot.


    A Final Comment

    Israel wants it both ways. It demands Palestinians agree to their own occupation, subjugation, persecution, and continued status quo affording them no rights. At the same time, it talks peace.

    The hypocrisy requires no comment, except to say they have a willing collaborator in Abbas. He's again about to back-stab his people like at Oslo as chief Palestinian negotiator, and numerous times thereafter, acting as Israel's enforcer.

    In days, when he petitions the UN, he'll again prove his illegitimacy. His term of office also expired in January 2009, over two and half years ago.

    Yet he remains in office, backed by Israel and Washington for obvious reasons while Palestine's legitimate government is persecuted, terrorized and isolated in Gaza.

    As long as repressive conditions continue, Palestinians won't ever be free, even if granted statehood and full UN membership.

    They'd still be no match for Israel's military might and no shyness about using it. Not to mention the world community turning a blind eye to its worst crimes.

    Issue one thus demands changing that to give Palestinians rights they've long been denied.

    Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago and can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net.

    Also visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com and listen to cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests on the Progressive Radio News Hour on the Progressive Radio Network Thursdays at 10AM US Central time and Saturdays and Sundays at noon. All programs are archived for easy listening.

    http://www.progressiveradionetwork.c...ive-news-hour/.

    posted by Steve Lendman @ 1:36 AM




    One could almost sell tickets at an ampitheatre...


    "Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"

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    Israeli-Greek defense pact invoked versus Turkish naval and air movements
    DEBKAfile
    Exclusive Report
    September 15, 2011, 10:51 AM (GMT+02:00)Tags:
    Israel Greece Turkey Oil gas war Mediterranean Cyprus

    Turkish warplanes

    Israel and Greece have invoked the mutual defense pact they signed secretly only 12 days ago in the light of heavy Turkish sea and air movements in the eastern Mediterranean. DEBKAfile's sources report that this was decided in a long nocturnal phone conversation Wednesday night Sept. 14 between the Israeli and Greek prime ministers, Binyamin Netanyahu and George Papandreou, and at Israel's expanded cabinet of eight, which was called into session over the Turkish threat to its off-shore oil and gas rigs.


    More at the link: http://www.debka.com/article/21301/
    "Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"

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    :shutup: :popcorn: :panicspy: :poke: :hobbyhorsemonkeypiss: :bolt::banghead:
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    And of course this is all a wonderful distraction for the Greek politicians relationship with their less than cheerful population under austerity. If they can have their favourite nemesis Turkey be the bad guy, and there is bad history too, then the politicians and bankers squeezing the workers are let off the hook.
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    Israel’s “Dangerous” Game

    Taking on Turkey
    by Ramzy Baroud / September 16th, 2011
    The UN Palmer Report, which largely exonerated Israel for murdering nine unarmed Turkish civilians in international waters on May 31, 2010, seemed in some ways like the last straw. Prior to its publication, the camel’s back had already mostly broken, and a collapse in Turkish-Israeli ties was looming.
    Turkey’s sin was seeking an apology for the killing of its citizens – on their way to deliver essential, life-saving supplies to malnourished and besieged Palestinians in Gaza – at the hand of Israeli army commandos.
    If the civilians had been Israelis, and the commandos part of a Turkish force, all hell would have broken loose. Israel and the US would have declared Turkey a pariah state. Turkey, however, merely demanded an apology, and it was affronted further for doing so.
    Of course, this is not the first time that Israel deliberately provoked and tested Turkish patience. Israel has attempted to infiltrate Turkey’s own political spaces by supporting its regional opponents and arming various rebel groups with the aim of destabilizing Turkey.
    Instead of acknowledging the country’s rising significance and accommodating to the rules of the ‘new Middle East’ political game, Israel resorted to intimidation and insults. It repeatedly placed Turkey – a thriving democracy and a proud regional power of 80 million – in a very sensitive standing.
    However, the anti-Turkish attitude in Israel was not an outcome of the Mavi Marmara incident last year. “The height of humiliation” is how an Israeli newspaper described a scene in which Israel’s Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon summoned Turkish ambassador, Ahmet Oguz, last January to humiliate him before Israeli media. Oguz was reprimanded over a fictional Turkish TV show that was critical of Israel. To ensure that the point has been successfully made, Ayalon “urged journalists to make clear that the ambassador was seated on a low sofa, while the Israeli officials were in much higher chairs,” according to the BBC (January 13, 2010). Ayalon noted that is “there is only one flag here” – the Israeli flag – and “we are not smiling”.
    How did Turkey respond? A statement issued by the foreign ministry ‘invited’ their counterparts in “Israeli foreign ministry to respect the rules of diplomatic courtesy.” Hardly outrageous. The gist of the Turkish message that followed the murder of the Turkish humanitarian activists a few months later was not much different. It basically asked for an apology.
    Turkey was shunned for the seemingly unreasonable demand. An unnamed senior Israeli official explained the Israeli logic to Ynet news on September 2, following Turkey’s decision to downgrade ties with Israel. “Turkey is an important country in the Middle East, but an apology is a very strategic precedent for Israel in this region,” he said. That is true, Israel’s diplomacy is predicated on unfair trade, violent storming of humanitarian boats, subservient activities, espionage and much more. Indeed, an apology for the murder of Turkish’s civilians would be a precedent.
    Even after the recent publishing of Palmer Report – a contradictory and obvious attempt at exonerating the Israeli army while implicating Turkish humanitarian activists – Turkey acted responsibly. But it also acted with the poise and dignity that is expected of a democratic country expressing the wishes of the vast majority of its people. It downgraded military, trade and other ties with Israel. Why should Turkey share military intelligence with a country that murders Turks, humiliates its diplomats and refuses to apologize?
    Still, from Israel’s point of view, Turkey has crossed all the limits of acceptable behavior. “Turkish warships will escort any Turkish aid vessels to Palestinians in the Gaza Strip,” said Turkish Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in an interview with Al Jazeera (as quoted in the Guardian, September 8). At the same time, Turkish diplomacy continued to offer a window of opportunity to detain further escalation. “Our embassy in Israel is open, and the Israeli embassy in Ankara is open. The relations would return to the old days if Israel apologizes and accepts to pay compensation,” said Huseyin Celik, Deputy Chairman of the ruling Justice and Development party (according to the Guardian, September 8.)
    Since an apology is a ‘precedent’, Israel responded in the only way it knows how. An accusatory campaign was launched against Turkey with outlandish insinuations and direct threats.
    “This is part of the Islamization spreading there, and we must recognize it,” said the senior official to Ynet. The leading Israeli news source also published a column by one Ron Ben-Yishai, calling the Turkish Prime Minister a “short-tempered thug.” In ‘Turkey no great power,’ Yishai accused the country of failing on most fronts. “Turkey under Erdogan’s leadership is neither a reliable ally nor a credible rival,” he charged.
    These views are hardly marginal, and were matched by specific threats by Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman. “We’ll exact a price from Erdogan that will prove to him that messing with Israel doesn’t pay off,” Lieberman reportedly said. More specifically, he “urge(d) all Israeli military veterans to refrain from traveling to Turkey and facilitate cooperation with the Armenians — Turkey’s historic rivals.” He said he also plans to meet with the Turkish rebel group PKK to “cooperate with them and boost them in every possible area,” according to UPI, September 9.
    Per this logic, demanding an apology for murder equals a thuggish act, while stirring regional instability and admitting to supporting armed militias is an acceptable diplomatic maneuver.
    Turkey had no other option but to escalate before an obstinate ‘ally.’ And considering the latter’s existing isolation in the region – and the growing anti-Israeli sentiment in Egypt and elsewhere – it is likely that Israel, not Turkey, will lose out in this political tussle.
    Even the US, Israel’s ‘unconditional’ ally, seems to recognize the dangerous game being played by Israel and its rightwing government of Benjamin Netanyahu. Recently revealed comments made by then US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates indicate that Americans are simply fed up with supporting Israel’s ‘dangerous’ policies, while ‘receive(ing) nothing in return’ (Bloomberg, September 5).
    It is these very dangerous policies that guide Israel’s brewing conflict with Turkey amid complete lack of political wisdom in Tel Aviv. But if extreme militancy was not enough to intimidate or weaken the resolve of a tiny and besieged place like Gaza, why should it work against a great and rising power like Turkey?
    Rational thinking in Netanyahu’s government might also be an acceptable precedent.
    Ramzy Baroud is an author and a journalist. His latest volume is The Second Palestinian Intifada: A Chronicle of a People’s Struggle (Pluto Press, London). He can be reached at ramzybaroud@hotmail.com. Read other articles by Ramzy.
    This article was posted on Friday, September 16th, 2011 at 8:00am and is filed under Israel/Palestine, Turkey.

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/09/is...me/#more-37145
    "Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magda Hassan View Post
    :shutup: :popcorn: :panicspy: :poke: :hobbyhorsemonkeypiss: :bolt::banghead:
    :mexican:
    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magda Hassan View Post
    And of course this is all a wonderful distraction for the Greek politicians relationship with their less than cheerful population under austerity. If they can have their favourite nemesis Turkey be the bad guy, and there is bad history too, then the politicians and bankers squeezing the workers are let off the hook.
    Both Greece and Turkey need to divert their citizens from their internal problems. It happened in the past and it will happen in the future.
    However, to believe that a bankrupt Greece and israel decided to involve themselves in this dangerous game without America's blessing is naive.
    The money trust uses Greece and Turkey as pawns in their larger agenda. Turkey and Erdogan are barking hard enough so to gain at least something. If you scream enough and you demand a lot, you might get something out of nothing. If Turkey dares to attack Israel-an impossibility-i would expect to see a new Kurdistan country the day after in Eastern Turkey. Greece has technically lost its sovereignty with the economic crisis and will do what the Uncle Sam instructs her to do.
    I don't buy the Israel-Russia cooperation either. Greece certainly would not dare to do this after the bungled effort of the Burgas-Alexandroupoli pipeline.
    It was our previous Prime Minister Kostas Karamanlis who signed off this deal with the Russians, and brought the Russians in the Meditterenean sea, something that constitutes an Anathema for USA foreign policy and energy goals. The telecomunications of Karamanlis were monitored and wire tapped by unknown forces and recently it was discovered that it was all done through the US embassy in Athens. Officially the US government refuses to comment on these.
    There were also rumors that the Russians saved Karamanlis life when a friendly to Greece country was planning to assassinate him. Now if this attempt would have been succesful, i am certain that a new leftist extremist group, like 17N used to do in the past, would have sent a letter to a newspaper claiming that they did it for the usual false reasons. To remind you that after Papandreou came in power the Burgas Alexandroupoli project did not move forward.
    Now if you believe that Papandreou would cooperate with Russians you can believe anything.
    However this a dangerous game and you don't know what it will happen once the dices are cast. I really don't know if this thing is good for Greece and if there is a hidden agenda behind it that it will make us regret it later.

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    If Turkey dares to attack Israel-an impossibility-i would expect to see a new Kurdistan country the day after in Eastern Turkey.
    Yep. Lieberman is already on to it arranging things.

    It was our previous Prime Minister Kostas Karamanlis who signed off this deal with the Russians, and brought the Russians in the Meditterenean sea, something that constitutes an Anathema for USA foreign policy and energy goals.
    And Syria has the Russian naval base there which will no doubt be gone along with Bashir fairly soon.
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    Deadly blast hits Turkish capital
    At least two killed in centre of Ankara by explosion that police suspect was caused by bomb.

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    At least two people have been killed in an explosion in the centre of the Turkish capital, Ankara, reports say.
    Police suspect Tuesday's explosion was caused by a bomb in a vehicle.

    The explosion also left several people injured.

    CNN-Turk television, citing unnamed interior ministry officials, said the explosion occurred on a minibus in the downtown Kizilay district.

    The blast sparked a fire which was later put out by firefighters at the scene, NTV television reported.
    No further details were immediately available. Thick smoke rose from the area in central Ankara.
    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/eu...524746215.html
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    "Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"

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