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    The Man Nobody Knew: In Search of My Father, CIA Spymaster William Colby
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    Looks like it will be awful. A sugar coated homage to a criminal. A really good movie could be made knowing the man and the events he was involved with. I don't think this is it judging from his son's description of his father and the movie.
    "I think it would be a good idea." Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization.

    The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.
    Karl Marx.

    "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies, 1963, replied Ms Rice Davies when the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magda Hassan View Post
    Looks like it will be awful. A sugar coated homage to a criminal. A really good movie could be made knowing the man and the events he was involved with. I don't think this is it judging from his son's description of his father and the movie.
    One really can't expect more from a son..... For a real documentary, one needs someone a little less connected and invested. Colby had SO MUCH dirt and blood on his have ALL CIA heads.....few Americans have ANY idea....they consider the KGB and similar to be 'evil organizations that do all kinds of evil acts'...but see the CIA as Boy Scouts looking out for the intersests of America. In fact, the CIA only looks out for the corrupt interests of the small [in number] Ruling Elite and engages in criminal behavior all the time in order to do their bidding.

    Here is but one of many interesting articles on Colby....

    By Sherman H. Skolnick

    Once they find something that works, that is what they do. So,
    again and again CIA officials have been caused to "disappear" or
    have been murdered. It is better than having to make messy
    explanations. A favorite cover story is the boat scenario or the
    plane crash, actually sabotaged.

    In 1972, Dorothy Hunt, herself higher up in CIA than her husband,
    died along with eleven other Watergate figures in a sabotaged
    plane crash in Chicago. She was the wife of Watergate burglar,
    E. Howard Hunt. Together, they had blackmailed some two million
    dollars out of Nixon to stay shut about what they knew about
    Nixon's role in arranging the political assassination of
    President Kennedy. Her plan had been to transfer in Chicago to a
    private plane at a suburban airport to take her to an important
    meeting of her associates in the Caribbean. She reportedly
    survived the pancaking of the plane but was murdered by those
    among a 150-person FBI team that took over the crash site and
    excluded the local fire and police. Her associates in the
    Caribbean disappeared and all that was found was their boat.

    In 1978, a CIA officer, suspected of being a Soviet "mole",
    disappeared and his empty boat was found near Chesapeake Bay.
    Without waiting to investigate, the local authorities were quick
    to state there was no foul play. Later, a body was found with a
    shot in the head. The authorities quickly stated it was the CIA
    official, John A. Paisley, and that he supposedly had committed
    suicide. They ignored his wife's vigorous protests that the body
    was the wrong height to be that of her husband. Later, the
    Senate Intelligence Committee, always friendly to CIA, stated
    that there was no credible evidence to show Paisley's death was
    other than a suicide. The investigative report was never made
    public, apparently for reasons of "national security", a
    catch-all cover up term.

    Then there is the case of William Colby, former Director of
    Central Intelligence, who disappeared and his empty boat was
    found in the shallows of a Potomac River tributary near his
    southern Maryland retreat. (On the map, not so very far from the
    disappearance of Paisley.) Quite a bit of background is
    necessary to understand Colby.

    During the war in Southeast Asia, William Colby headed the CIA's
    "Phoenix Assassination" Program, murdering some 68,000 Vietnamese
    for no better reason than they were on a list of those with the
    wrong politics or supposedly opposed the Saigon government,
    puppets of the American CIA. Also, starting in the 1970s, if not
    earlier, he was the overseer of a strange, almost secret bank
    called the Nugan-Hand Bank, with facilities stretching from
    California, to Australia, to the Philippines, Southeast Asia, and
    Saudi Arabia. Top U.S. Admirals and Generals operated their
    various offices.

    In its basic form, the Nugan-Hand Bank handled CIA covert funds,
    financed worldwide CIA-sponsored assassinations, washed dope
    money, and aided U.S. military personnel to launder illicit loot,
    from dope dealing, gambling, sale of U.S. military equipment
    stolen in great quantities from and during the Viet Nam War.

    One of the founders of the Nugan-Hand Bank was found murdered in
    1980. On his body was the card of William Colby. Not publicized
    much in the U.S. was the investigation of a government commission
    in Australia. Colby and the Generals and the Admirals ran the
    bank. The sordid details are in Jonathan Kwitny's book, "The
    Crimes of Patriots".

    Some apologists for Colby contend he aided one or more
    Congressional investigations in the 1970s of CIA, supposedly for
    reform, such as the Senate Committee headed by the late Senator
    Frank Church. While outlining CIA plots against Cuba's Fidel
    Castro, these Congressional committees never saw fit to inquire
    into the doings of the Nugan-Hand Bank and William Colby's role
    with it.

    Upon the supposed collapse of the Nugan-Hand Bank, supposedly
    wiping out the secret deposits of various U.S. Military people,
    their successor and alter ego became what was called Household
    International. The world headquarters of the operation moved to
    the Chicago suburb of Prospect Heights. Colby, who had been
    Director of Central Intelligence from 1973-1976, continued on
    after 1980 as the overseer of the new name, Household
    International. Subsidiaries, actually and technically savings
    and loans, were called Household Bank.

    In the 1980s, some thirty or more savings and loan associations
    were secretly taken over by CIA, for use to funnel covert funds
    for bloody and dirty tricks. After the operation was concluded,
    the money was sucked out, and the particular S&L "collapsed". A
    highly skilled Texas journalist detailed the doings of some 26 of
    these CIA-S&L operations which went "bust" and the clean-up
    arranged supposedly by the federal deposit insurance authorities
    at the great damage and detriment of the taxpayers. One of the
    S&Ls was run by one of George Bush's sons. See: Pete Brewton's
    heavily documented work, "The Mafia, the CIA, and George Bush".

    Three or more CIA-S&Ls, not mentioned in the book, were in
    Illinois, in the Chicago area.

    CLYDE SAVINGS & LOAN. A director of this reputed CIA operation
    was Congressman Henry Hyde who wore two hats. First, he was head
    of the CIA's "black budget" with more actual authority than the
    Director of Central Intelligence. Second, he has been a
    Congressman, on the House Intelligence Committee. More recently,
    Hyde became chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, with
    authority to decide who, if anyone, is subject to impeachment for
    being a corrupt federal judge.
    Does it not violate the U.S. Constitution's mandate of
    Separation of Powers, for Hyde to be both a Congressman at the
    same time he is head of CIA's "black budget" for dirty tricks?
    The Federal Savings and Loan bail-out agency, Resolution
    Trust Corporation [RTC], brought an action in Chicago Federal
    District Court, accusing Hyde of various misconduct in the
    downfall of Clyde Savings. Case No. 93 C 2477. The case was
    being heard by Chicago Federal District Judge Brian Barnett Duff,
    closely aligned with the Federal Reserve and a crony of George
    Bush. Judge Duff is no stranger to covering up massive
    corruption. In 1990-91, he had the case involving the Federal
    Reserve Board, the House Banking Committee, and Italy's Banca
    Nazionale Delavoro, Italy's largest bank owned in part by the
    Vatican. At issue were records of BNL's Chicago branch, relating
    to the private joint business ventures of Iraq's strongman,
    originally installed by CIA, Saddam Hussein, and Hussein's secret
    business partner. Judge Duff ordered the records be kept secret.
    This writer and his associates were the only journalists
    attending the federal appeals hearing of the BNL case in May,
    1991. I interviewed two of the participants who told me that the
    secret private business partner of Saddam Hussein has been George
    Bush, at the time U.S. President. Involved were BNL records
    relating to oil kick-backs from the whole Persian Gulf area for
    the decade 1980, to 1990, 25 billion dollars per year kick-backs,
    shared by Saddam Hussein with George Bush and Bush's circle of
    cronies; 25 percent of one trillion dollars of oil shipped to the
    West in that decade, 25 billion dollars per year, 250 Billion
    Dollars total.
    So Judge Duff knew how to torpedo controversies and cover
    them up. At a crucial point in the case against Henry Hyde, a
    CIA attorney appeared in chambers with Judge Duff, and persuaded
    Duff -- as if persuading were needed -- that all key records are
    to be kept secret. In a later trick, Judge Duff arranged to
    delay a trial on key issues for several years by certifying a
    piece-meal appeal, usually not permitted -- all to protect CIA
    and Hyde.

    LIBERTYVILLE SAVINGS & LOAN. A director of this CIA S&L was
    Charles Hunter who was the chief financial officer of the
    drugstore chain, Walgreen's. Hunter actually ran Walgreen's
    since the CEO, "Cork" Walgreen, spent two weeks of the month
    vacationing in Florida. RTC sued Charles Hunter in Chicago's
    Federal District Court, accusing Hunter and others of causing the
    downfall of Libertyville S&L, Case No. 91 C 1741. Accused of
    causing damages of more than 42 million dollars, the details
    could have great impact on Hunter's role with Walgreen's, showing
    violation of his fiduciary duties as chief financial officer of
    Hearing the case was Chicago Federal District Judge Harry D.
    Leinenweber -- wife, Lynn Martin, was Secretary of Labor in the
    Bush Administration. (We confronted her on a radio talk show,
    asking her to explain why her husband the Judge never
    disqualified himself when several cases were on his docket which
    she as Labor Secretary was shown as a party to the case. She
    replied, she never asked her husband about his Court work.)
    To cover up the CIA S&L case, Judge Leinenweber reportedly
    received a gift, or bribe, of some 17 million dollars. The RTC
    officials bringing the case looked the other way, as they did in
    corrupt doings related to Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    in a suburb of Chicago. Overseer in this operation reportedly
    has been Dr. Earl Brian, a financial industry and mass media
    heavyweight. In various books, he is accused of being a key
    player in the "October Surprise", guns and money funneled to Iran
    to have them delay release of the U.S. hostages so as to wreck
    Jimmy Carter's bid for re-election as president and help install
    the Reagan/Bush ticket. The hostages were released in January,
    1981, just as Reagan was being sworn in as the new President.
    Dr. Earl Brian reportedly played a key role in the INSLAW
    Affair. He also owned Channel 66 TV, just south of Chicago, in
    an area that is the reputed U.S. entry point for the smuggling in
    to this country of "China White", high purity heroin. He ran a
    financial espionage operation called Financial News Network.
    Brian has been prosecuted in Los Angeles Federal Court, for a
    scam using FNN; the details about espionage and CIA have been
    omitted from the federal criminal charges, however, by the
    federal prosecutor.

    part for washing CIA covert funds, the collapsed shell of what
    was left was merged and taken over by Household Bank. The
    Federal Home Loan Bank parked 58.4 million dollars with Household
    to satisfy claims pending since 1983 by Joseph Andreuccetti, a
    west suburban caulking contractor. Andreuccetti was the victim
    of a swindle that included the following:
    1. Multi-million dollar condo complex in Addison, Illinois,
    a west suburb of Chicago, a very short distance from the home of
    Henry Hyde. Called Kingspoint Condominiums, in the deal the
    nephew/godson of Paul Marcinkus, namely Christian Henning, Jr.,
    falsely claimed to be Andreuccetti's partner. Marcinkus, until
    1991, was the head of the Vatican Bank. Authorities of the
    Republic of Italy contend Marcinkus was part of a scheme to
    launder dope and gun smuggling and political assassination funds,
    on behalf of the Sicilian mafia and the American CIA, through the
    Vatican Bank. Bishop Marcinkus has so far escaped extradition
    from Sun City, Arizona, where he resides now, back to Italy, on
    the contention that the Vatican is a separate sovereignty from
    2. Marcinkus, originally from the long-known mafia-enclave
    of Cicero, a Chicago suburb, has been the dominant force
    controlling First National Bank of Cicero, a reputed Mafia-CIA
    money machine. To try to cover up a vast scam by Marcinkus,
    Henning, and others, the Cicero bank used false loan details to
    fraudulently push Andreuccetti into *involuntary* bankruptcy,
    still pending since 1984, Case numbers 84 B 10338, 10339, and
    some ten related cases showing the roles of Household, the First
    National Bank of Cicero, First Midwest Bank, and others in
    skimming off funds used for bribing judges and other political
    3. Officials of the defunct American Heritage S&L, to
    silence them, were prosecuted in the case of U.S. vs. John Best
    et al. The federal prosecutor, William R. Hogan, Jr., is a story
    all by himself. Reportedly trained and groomed by Special Forces
    and CIA, Hogan in a way is far too clever to have been just an
    Assistant U.S. Attorney in Chicago. Hogan's extended family has
    included those close to the Catholic Archbishop of Chicago who
    also is Treasurer for the whole Catholic Church for the Western
    Hemisphere, from Canada to Argentina.
    Hogan was the federal prosecutor in a large group of cases of
    the narco-terrorist street gang called the El Rukns. The gang
    previously was called the Blackstone Rangers and was used as
    computer models in how they cowed and terrorized Chicago
    southside neighborhoods, to study how to cow and terrorize
    hamlets in Viet Nam. Until Hogan showed up, the El Rukns were
    untouchable. Their bail bond money was often supplied by the
    traditional mafia. The gang early on was financed by CIA-linked
    Foundations, including the Charles Merrill Trust of Cambridge,
    Mass. (Linked to Merrill-Lynch stock brokerage.)
    Hogan is accused by his Justice Department bosses of having
    been overzealous in the El Rukn prosecutions. Most of the
    defendants who were also witnesses against other gang members
    were already in jail awaiting trials. Hogan is accused of
    arranging sex and dope for some of the El Rukns, either inside
    the jail, or transporting them to a federal office building to
    have sex and dope there.
    Hogan's apparent defense is that if this occurred at all, it
    was arranged or supervised by his supervisors. The more serious
    matters, according to Hogan's circle, is that at least six
    federal judges in Chicago take bribes, as known to corrupt
    officials in the IRS and the Justice Department; and that nothing
    is being done by federal authorities. Among those reportedly
    taking bribes is Chief Bankruptcy Judge John D. Schwartz
    presiding in the Joseph Andreuccetti cases and related matters.
    Schwartz previously was a director and stockholder of First
    National Bank of Cicero, instrumentally interwoven in the complex
    of details in the Andreuccetti Affair. According to an
    undisputed admission and confession in a related court case,
    Schwartz has not filed a proper federal income tax return and has
    an estimated off-shore net worth of 141 million dollars -- has
    not filed a proper return in *30 years*.
    The Kingspoint valuable property was purchased by Wallace
    Lieberman, on other occasions a federal bankruptcy auctioneer;
    Lieberman's partner in the deal was Robert Belavia, a reputed
    mafia kingpin. Shortly after Marcinkus returned to the U.S. and
    a few days after a complaint about Lieberman was made to the U.S.
    Attorney in Chicago about Lieberman, he was murdered, apparently
    by an FBI agent (the same one, according to undisputed federal
    court records) who caused some 40 federal grand jury witnesses to
    be murdered or to disappear in the proceedings in 1991-92, in the
    INSLAW Affair (high Reagan and Bush administration officials
    accused of stealing high technology and selling it to, among
    others, sworn enemies of the U.S.)
    That same FBI agent, Mike "Chuckie" Peters, flies a
    helicopter and plays a key role in the 1996 events in Montana.
    4. In a federal court case against top IRS and Justice
    Department officials, involving corruption, an undisputed
    confession and admission of an official in the Criminal
    Investigation Division of IRS shows:
    -- the higher ups at IRS stole the Kingspoint properties
    from Lieberman and arranged to hustle Belavia quickly
    into prison; that the IRS officials stole the properties
    for their own personal benefit and caused certain related
    land title records to disappear as part of a cover up.
    As shown in Case No. 92 C 7048, in Chicago Federal
    District Court.
    -- that the IRS was instrumental in covering up the
    disappearance of 50 million dollars, parked by federal
    authorities with Household Bank -- on which Joseph
    Andreuccetti has a long-pending claim -- and that the
    money was secretly transferred to Little Rock in an
    attempt to cover up some 47 million dollars reportedly
    embezzled by Bill and Hillary Clinton from Madison
    Guaranty S&L in Little Rock.
    -- that the Bankruptcy Trustee in the Andreuccetti cases,
    Jay A. Steinberg, has been allowed and permitted to file
    false and fraudulent state and federal revenue forms and
    tax returns, supposedly in the name of Joseph
    Andreuccetti, without the knowledge or consent of
    5. Steinberg is a partner in the huge law firm of Hopkins &
    Sutter, major counsel for RTC. The firm arranged for two faraway
    lawyers -- Hillary Rodham Clinton and Vincent W. Foster, Jr. --
    to work on the left-over problem of a Chicago-area savings and
    loan whose collapse was caused by fraudulent bonds by Clinton's
    dope and bond broker crony, Dan Lasater. Hillary and Vince
    reportedly whitewashed hundreds of millions that could have been
    recovered by RTC. Hopkins and Sutter also arranged to have
    George Bush's son escape prison in the Silverado S&L scandal in


    By 1995-96, matters intensified in which William Colby was
    implicated, in one way or another. The First National Bank of
    Cicero, dominated by mafia-CIA darling Bishop Paul Marcinkus,
    recent head of the Vatican Bank, had been taken over by Pinnacle
    Banc Group, the successor and alter ego of the infamous Bank of
    Credit and Commerce International. It was becoming more and more
    known, through items posted on Internet, and stories elsewhere,
    that the espionage operation, BCCI, dominated by CIA, had not, in
    fact, collapsed in July 1991; that Pinnacle was the new name and
    face. Four major, international news operations had the BCCI
    bribery list, how they bribed 25 percent of both houses of the
    U.S. Congress -- 28 U.S. Senators and 108 members of the House.
    Although the establishment news groups had the list and
    corroborated its validity, they decided not to go with it -- it
    would destabilize the U.S. central government. Strange, but the
    list, for 30 days, was a public record at the Bank of England!
    This writer received from a brave journalist the list and
    corroboration, and wrote a story about it in a right-wing paper
    in 1991. The publication received the list of names but deleted
    them from the published story. By 1995, the names were becoming
    more and more known and the result: an unusually large number of
    representatives and senators suddenly decided to resign, retire,
    and not run for re-election in 1996. Some of them had already
    arranged their re-election campaign literature.

    It was becoming more and more evident that former CIA Director
    William Colby was directly implicated in the dirty business --
    now implicating the Clintons -- of Household International and
    Household Bank. Colby was reportedly directly involved in the
    BCCI/Pinnacle Banc Group espionage operations. The Roger
    D'Onofrio Affair in Italy [see CN 6.65] was not going away; he
    was a top American CIA official, residing in Italy, put under
    house arrest for being involved in arranging for the Vatican
    Bank, in conjunction with the Sicilian mafia, to launder dope and
    gun loot, smuggle gold, and sell nuclear bomb triggers to sworn
    enemies of the U.S.

    A member of the London Gold Pool, living near the First National
    Bank of Cicero, John Tarullo, was murdered in August 1995. His
    connections extended reportedly to the CIA, the Archbishop of
    Milan, the FBI Counter-Intelligence section, as well as the
    traditional Sicilian mafia. Tarullo's connections reportedly
    extended to Judy Baar Topinka, a close crony of the Bank [of
    Cicero] and Marcinkus; she was elected Illinois State Treasurer
    in 1994. Did the Vatican Bank now have their agent in charge of
    all the state public money of Illinois? (She praised that Bank
    and Marcinkus on this writer's public access cable TV show just
    prior to her election.)

    Also becoming clear was William Colby's role in trying to get an
    armlock on political dissent in the U.S. Notice the role of
    Colby's close crony John DeCamp, an attorney from Lincoln,
    Nebraska, in trying to throttle various financial possible
    scandals, such as Pinnacle Banc Group/BCCI, Household
    International, Household Bank, the Clintons and the strange death
    of National Security Agency operative Vincent W. Foster, Jr. at
    the time Foster was also a top Clinton White House aide.
    -- cronies of the so-called Independent Whitewater Counsel
    Kenneth Starr were reportedly trying to push John DeCamp to
    be in charge of Joseph Andreuccetti and his explosive group
    of court cases. Luckily, Joe [Andreuccetti] refused.
    -- John DeCamp reportedly played a role in attempting to
    control or manipulate Oklahoma Federal Grand juror Hoppy
    Heidelberg. Hoppy was attempting to persuade fellow grand
    jurors that the FBI and other federal authorities have to be
    compelled to bring before the grand jurors certain data about
    John Doe #2, or even #3, in respect to the Oklahoma City
    bombing case. A reputed government counter-intelligence
    agent, Lawrence W. Myers, became the chief investigative
    reporter -- if not actually the controlling force -- of a
    new, supposedly dissident publication, called Media Bypass
    magazine, that went from about 5,000 monthly circulation to
    near 50,000 in a very short time. The militia movement, the
    Freemen, the tax protester movement, and others like them,
    somehow got the impression that Media Bypass magazine spoke
    for them. Who checked Myers' background? He was reportedly
    highly skilled in counter-terrorism, an expert on bomb
    making, and had worked for the adjunct to CIA, namely,
    Wackenhut, on terrorist problems. Myers wrote four published
    books on bomb making including remote explosives detonators.
    The books were published by a reputed CIA proprietary,
    Palladin Press, reportedly supervised by William Colby and
    his cronies.

    John Doe #3 reportedly was an Iraqi intelligence official brought
    into the U.S. and kept totally surveilled and supervised by the
    CIA. Did the Iraqi "spook" help the American CIA create a
    so-called terrorism event in Oklahoma City to promote possible
    martial law to strangle growing dissent in the U.S.? Or was it a
    bungled event, done with U.S. central government complicity?

    By April 1996 it was becoming clear to some that William Colby
    had to disappear or be thrown away. Household International's
    stock took a tumble; they were forced to give away 54 of their
    Household Bank units to the Harris Bank, a unit of the Canadian
    bank octopus, Bank of Montreal, owned by the infamous Bronfman
    family, big in dope, gun smuggling, *and* booze. Not everyone
    bought the mass media story that the Bronfmans actually paid over
    200 million dollars for the Household Bank units.

    About 10 days after the Household Bank-Harris Bank arrangement,
    William Colby disappeared. Colby's close crony, John DeCamp, was
    supposedly advisor to Hoppy at the same time DeCamp was attorney
    for Media Bypass and closely linked to Myers, the reputed
    "spook". Some clever sorts were putting two and two together.
    Was the whole magazine a trick to catalogue and finger
    dissidents? Did Myers and DeCamp almost cause Hoppy to be
    -- a few days prior to his disappearance, Colby was in Texas
    at a university seminar on the Viet Nam War. Some thought
    maybe Colby was knowledgeable about POWs who the U.S.
    government cannot admit still exist in Southeast Asia: are
    the POWs made into "mules" in the dope trade for the reported
    benefit of Colin Powell and his pals George Bush and Richard
    Armitage? Did Colby whisper explosive items into some ears
    in or near the seminar?

    Former CIA Director William Colby was too involved. So, the
    mysterious "they" used the boat trick, to make him disappear or
    for murder.

    At the time of his disappearance, Colby was under Congressional
    subpoena to testify. Some believe his testimony could have put
    Bill and Hillary Clinton in prison.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    I've merged these threads about Carl Colby's idiocy to the Propaganda folder, which is where his movie belongs....
    "It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
    "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
    "They are in Love. Fuck the War."

    Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

    "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
    The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

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    a bit more...Message body
    in defence watch what you wish for

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    Default William Colby: Former CIA director 'killed himself over Vietnam guilt' claims son Carl

    William Colby: Former CIA director 'killed himself over Vietnam guilt' claims son Carl | Mail Online

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    If that, in fact, is true, it provides a model for some other folks.
    "Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernice Moore View Post

    William Colby: Former CIA director 'killed himself over Vietnam guilt' claims son Carl | Mail Online
    I cannot believe anyone believes this. Shit his body was not even found for over a week later. This was murder.

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    I don't know, Dawn ... Jim Fetzer believes all the children of all the dead spooks.

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