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    * "Everything comes when it must come. A life cannot be rushed, cannot be worked on a schedule as so many people want it to be. We must accept what comes to us at a given time, and not ask for more. But life is endless, so we never die; we were never really born. We just pass through different phases. There is no end. Humans have many dimensions. But time is not as we see time, but rather in lessons that are learned."

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    Edit: same here. Sticking to Le Cercle. PM me again if you want a copy of the reply.
    Last edited by Joel van der Reijden.; 10-23-2011 at 02:03 PM.
    * "Everything comes when it must come. A life cannot be rushed, cannot be worked on a schedule as so many people want it to be. We must accept what comes to us at a given time, and not ask for more. But life is endless, so we never die; we were never really born. We just pass through different phases. There is no end. Humans have many dimensions. But time is not as we see time, but rather in lessons that are learned."

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    FWIW, In the above post I noted the name of Daniel Sheehan, who I met several times and have reason to know somewhat. I don't claim to know all about what makes him 'tick'. However, from what I know of him he is honest, not a tool of anyone, working to expose much of what you claim to and make the world a better place, more democratic, less controlled by secret ops and Oligarchy, etc. Everyone would make up different [non-overlapping lists] and I don't condemn you for including him on yours...I only ask the reasons you might have included him. I worked with him on the legal case he handled for two victims of the La Penca bombing [which exposed the Iran-Contra Cabal - and much else - if there was any fault, IMHO, with the case and the research around it, it was that he was overly broad [not wrong] in his efforts - which made him and Christic Institute, Honey/Avergan easy targets of those who yell 'conspiracy theorists' with malice and at the drop of a hat. That the PTB, Intel community, and those involved in and with the Iran-Contra Cabal sought to destroy him goes a long way to showing which side he was/is on. I've not been in contact with him in a LOOONG time and last heard he was in N. CA doing something completely different. I know at times his life was under threat when he was hiding in San Diego and elsewhere.
    If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” - Frederick Douglass
    "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
    "Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn

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    Edit: Sticking to Le Cercle.
    Last edited by Joel van der Reijden.; 10-23-2011 at 02:05 PM.
    * "Everything comes when it must come. A life cannot be rushed, cannot be worked on a schedule as so many people want it to be. We must accept what comes to us at a given time, and not ask for more. But life is endless, so we never die; we were never really born. We just pass through different phases. There is no end. Humans have many dimensions. But time is not as we see time, but rather in lessons that are learned."

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    Last edited by Joel van der Reijden.; 10-23-2011 at 06:33 AM.
    * "Everything comes when it must come. A life cannot be rushed, cannot be worked on a schedule as so many people want it to be. We must accept what comes to us at a given time, and not ask for more. But life is endless, so we never die; we were never really born. We just pass through different phases. There is no end. Humans have many dimensions. But time is not as we see time, but rather in lessons that are learned."

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    Maybe I shouldn't be so harsh and condescending, but unless you agreed with me on Sheehan and distanced yourself from him and some of your own ideas (which you are never-ever going to do).... you were checkmate there. Well, Sheehan's more important so maybe I'll skip you in my future writings.

    Let's stick to Le Cercle. New book in this thread... and a couple of new names. Pretty good progress I would say. To make up I added more names to the previous page.
    Last edited by Joel van der Reijden.; 10-23-2011 at 02:46 PM.
    * "Everything comes when it must come. A life cannot be rushed, cannot be worked on a schedule as so many people want it to be. We must accept what comes to us at a given time, and not ask for more. But life is endless, so we never die; we were never really born. We just pass through different phases. There is no end. Humans have many dimensions. But time is not as we see time, but rather in lessons that are learned."

  7. Talking Hello again, Joel!

    First up, I agree with Joel - let's keep this on subject, or I can't be bothered to read the thread any more. Any off-topic issue is better started in a new thread - all the more discussion on specific subjects! The debate on this forum about the second edition of Rogue Agents was killed off by a fruitless sidetrack re Diana [on whom NO further comments], and research is all about FOCUS. So, let's focus, there is a lot of catching up to do.

    Second off, Joel, my email account got wiped due to inactivity several months back, so I lost all the messages and adresses, including yours. Intrigued about new Cercle documents, please send them again - the email is reactivated now.

    Third up, you're not hijacking my topic at all, you're contributing to it, for which my thanks. Intelligent and focussed discussion is always worth listening to. Glad to see your site is archived; so much research should not go to waste. Without having seen these lists as yet, one correction on the names, however:

    "Stauffenberg, Christoph von

    Cousin of the famous Hitler plotter. Ran an intelligence network
    for the CSU, on which Strauss relied a lot. Former BND officer."


    Let's make that Hans Christoph von Stauffenberg aka Hans von Machtenberg [Crozier], eh?


    Next-to-last up, Richardson/Graham - Close/Jonet ... but of course. Jonet's wife was also doing the donkey work for IEPS in the early 1990s. A couple of significant snippets of info you may have overlooked from the book:

    (412) Close, who died in 2003, had one interesting early posting as Belgian Military Attaché in London from 1967 to 1970 [i.e. IRD and FWF peak period, foundation of ISC].

    Alfredo Sanchez Bella ... was appointed Spanish Ambassador to ... Italy from 1962 to 1969 [i.e. AN's formation and military training in Greece by the KYP, birth of strategy of tension, etc.] before being recalled to serve in Franco's Cabinet [replacing Fraga, and taking the Spanish chair of CEDI over from Martin Artajo in 1970].

    And, last up, a response to previous comments here: this research is not ongoing, it is concluded, at least for me after twenty years - with this edition, I have given all I have. Both texts, short and long, are provided as locked PDFs (you can download, open, read, search, print, copy and email the file, but you cannot copy text from, amend, comment or add to it) to ensure that you get my book, the whole book and nothing but the book.

    Now, you can read, digest and comment on it here, which I look forward to.

    And very nice to hear from you, Joel!
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    The two von Stauffenbergs, whilst bearing the same name and both CSU members, were cut from quite different cloth - from Rogue Agents:

    "(306) ... Hans Christoph Schenk Freiherr von Stauffenberg, who died in Munich in 2005, was a member of the junior branch of the von Stauffenberg family, being the son of Reichstag Nazi MP Franz Wilhelm Karl Maria Gabriel Schenk Freiherr von Stauffenberg."

    "Franz Ludwig Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg, a CSU MP from 1976 to 1987 and a Vice President of the German PEU section (324) This von Stauffenberg, only distantly related to the Freiherr von Stauffenberg who ran the CSU's private intelligence network, was part of the main branch of the von Stauffenberg lineage, being the third son of Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg who with his brother Berthold was executed in 1944 for plotting to kill Hitler. "

    Glad to have got that one cleared up.

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    Check your mail, David. Like what you see?

    Hmmm... it seems we are talking about the same Stauffenberg. I remember it took me quite a bit of time to pick the right one... The Cercle document reads "Chr. Freiherr von Stauffenberg", but doesn't give any information on him. And I left out the name Hans in the *.doc file I cited from, because I ran out of space in the left column where the names are. ;) You can see how in the *.doc file I just sent you. Guessed Chr. stood for Christoph. The *.htm file has additional info on Hans Christoph Schenk Freiherr von Stauffenberg in the form of two old articles: Der Spiegel and The Independent.

    But in any case, didn't know he was Hans von Machtenberg. Will read up on that when I have more time. And I may be reading wrong here... bit tired.

    Let's finish up on Stauffenberg first. I may have a question or two also about the IEPS. And I still need to look at what you typed about Sanchez Bella.
    * "Everything comes when it must come. A life cannot be rushed, cannot be worked on a schedule as so many people want it to be. We must accept what comes to us at a given time, and not ask for more. But life is endless, so we never die; we were never really born. We just pass through different phases. There is no end. Humans have many dimensions. But time is not as we see time, but rather in lessons that are learned."

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    Dear Joel,

    Almost real time! No hurry,Joel, will be checking email when I can. Don't know why the list would only refer to Chr. when all his friends used "Hans", Crozier included. One note for all concerned: I severely doubt that the Cercle ever produced any written documents - not the way to run a confidential network ; everything Crozier says (and tradecraft demands) would point away from written records. Langemann's retelling of (Hans) von Stauffenberg's verbal reports are the most accurate we have. Roth's 1989 minutes are quoting from documents we do not have - potential for disinformation, as German journalism was heavily infiltrated by the East (MfS) at the time. See:
    Top Secret, Number 1/89 (Postfach 270324, 5000 Köln 1, West Germany). On Top Secret, see the USIA's assessment at http://intellit.muskingum.edu/russia...a/sect_09b.htm

    I will check email asap, but am initially suspicious of any written records from the Cercle itself - never seen any before. If needs be, we'll forward them to Crozier for comment with your permission ...

    In any case, the Cercle is far from the central forum (and there is none; it is a network, the Cercle is merely one of the nodes): so not losing ourselves in the details, YES, both you and I aimed right: the "Paneuropean Right" or the "Vatican-Paneuropa" axis is the one to follow (but dump the 'Synarchism' stuff, pardon me). Yes, it had the influence we thought it did. Yes, the only symbol possible to summarize it is Charlemagne's signature:
    one thousand three hundred years later but still relevant, hence the inclusion on the title page. The only reason I do not rename to your designation "Vatican-Paneuropa" (which has a nice ring to it) is that my "Paneuropean Right" includes other foreign political and intelligence networks (Protestant movements; BND, MI6, BVD) than the straight Opus Dei/Vatican>SDECE/Dubois-Violet axis, of which CIOC is well worth investigating, but this is only one side of the big picture. It also excludes major issues like the UK's accession to the EU, smoothed via CEDI, but beyond Catholic networking.

    Hope this helps, and hope that you will pursue the tip on Close and Sanchez Bella being in the right place at the right time ...

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