Deep Politics Forum

Scott Kaiser Wrote:

Tracy Riddle Wrote:Interesting, Scott; it sounds very plausible. Let me guess: if they had successfully killed Nixon, they would have set up some "pro-Castro" patsy to take the blame and make it look like Castro was responsible.

David, Nixon wasn't that right-wing at all. He was really irritating the right-wingers of his day (the Reagan-Bircher-Cold Warrior wing of the GOP) with his overtures to Red China and the USSR, cutting the military budget, withdrawing troops from Vietnam, nuclear arms treaty with Brezhnev, creating the EPA, OSHA, Clean Air Act, etc.

A shadowy coup from the Right to put Spiro Agnew in power is very believable. Agnew really was a right-winger, but of course he had to resign for other reasons.

Not to mention that Nixon also created the DEA, and that was a no, no in Miami.

I think Miami and a few other places did quite well out of the so called 'war on drugs'.

Scott, do you know why the attempts were bungled or were they "attempts" to send a message?

Lauren Johnson Wrote:Scott, do you know why the attempts were bungled or were they "attempts" to send a message?

Lauren, this is the story I got, They wanted to put Agnew in office, but little did they know that he was under investigation for tax invasion.

They had every intention in taking out Nixon, my father went to the FBI with this information before it even happen, my father in his round about way tried to inform Libengood of this in his own round about way. I know that my father was seeking Federal and State pardons, in the early 70's, he was caught at the JFK airport on his arrival from Israel and arrested for a forged passport, but that's not what he was arrested for in Israel, he was already living there for three months before getting caught.

My father was arrested just after my father asked my mother to contact Sturgis telling him where he was, not even Sturgis knew my father was in Israel, my father didn't trust anyone.

After my mother informed Sturgis of my father's whereabout my father was arrested, this was in 1976. My father knew he was set up.

Getting back to Nixon's assassination attempt, my father asked not only for Federal and State pardons because he was the sixth burglar in Watergate, but he was also asking for family and witness protection from the FBI in exchange for his testimony. The FBI / government refused, so my father gave them nothing regarding the photo's he had.

The FBI never knew about the photo's only the CIA did, and it's noted on their paper work.

The CIA contacted the FBI and I don't know how they got them to drop the charges against my father for that forged passport into Israel, so the FBI photo lab sent over some paper work stating, due to specific identifiable uncharacteristic the photo's of K-1 and Q-1 cannot be determined whether they are the same individual. My mother knew why.

My mother is the one who drove my father to the FBI's office where upon his arrival he informed them that Nixon was to go down at the VVAW convention. I'm not sure if Nixon still spoke there or if his speech was called off, or if he gave a latter speech, or what.

All I know is that Nixon was suppose to be assassinated that day, and my father had it stopped.

It's situation that needs puzzling out. Nixon prosecuted the Vietnam war ferociously, which meant that more money was being spent and made in the war industry, and more opium was traded to pay for it and generate other profits. Is it because Nixon threatened to end the cash flow abruptly with nuclear weapons that he was axed? The whole point of the war was to keep it going without victory.

It is difficult to believe, however, that Nixon sought detente with Russia and China on his own initiative. However much he aspired to statesmanship, he lacked the stuff for it. And these detentes were grand-scale efforts that had to be coordinated over advance periods in diplomacy - diplomacy that deeply involved Nixon's minder, Kissinger, the Rockefellers' man. It would seem that the point of these detentes was to appease Russia and China, neutralize a nuclear response from those quarters, and keep the Vietnam war going under tripartite consent with the US.

It has to have been the nuclear weapons threat, or a combination of that and domestic Nixon threats, that made Nixon seem off the rails, a danger to the Vietnam enterprise. At the deciding point Haig, the Rockefellers' hatchet man, was put in to terminate Nixon's second administration.

Still - its difficult to see how Nixon could have not known the game plan intended for Vietnam, and not stuck with it. Perhaps his nuclear threat was rightly perceived as madness, a sweeping of the board that would disrupt all play. Perhaps the ideal of statesmanship dangled before him with the detente initiatives went to his head. Perhaps Nixon would not give in to defeat under domestic criticism as did LBJ, and Nixon's response to that pressure was to seek to score a nuclear smash victory for Nixon.

The idea of replacing Nixon with Agnew - as much as the assassination attempts on Ford - is quite indicative of the cynicism with which the presidency was regarded by the money powers. But what am I talking about - that had already been demonstrated in Dallas, 1963. Didn't Nixon understand that play?

Sorry folks, the year was 1973 Nixon was suppose to be assassinated not 72. I made a mistake in the year, it was one year before he resigned.

I have a document with Nixon's name on it showing he did in-fact speak at the VVAW and the year was 1973, this is when he was suppose to be assassinated not 72, my mistake.

Also, Nixon is the one who stopped the VN war, he drew up the paper work and passed it on to his predecessor Ford who actually ended the VN war.

Roger Stone has contacted me, we spoke over the phone for a while, he's asking for all my paper work on Nixon and all my Libengood papers over Watergate and my father's conversation with Libengood to use in his book which comes out in ten days, I don't know if this will hurt me or help me when my book comes out. I wish, I knew what to do. ::

Quote:It is difficult to believe, however, that Nixon sought detente with Russia and China on his own initiative. However much he aspired to statesmanship, he lacked the stuff for it. And these detentes were grand-scale efforts that had to be coordinated over advance periods in diplomacy

This wasn't Nixon's doing, this was Kissinger doing, Nixon played along. I explain all this in my book.

Scott Kaiser Wrote:

Quote:It is difficult to believe, however, that Nixon sought detente with Russia and China on his own initiative. However much he aspired to statesmanship, he lacked the stuff for it. And these detentes were grand-scale efforts that had to be coordinated over advance periods in diplomacy

This wasn't Nixon's doing, this was Kissinger doing, Nixon played along. I explain all this in my book.

What I was saying, in my own way. But Kissinger was the Rockefellers' man, and I gave my theory for their interest in detentes that would allow consensual continuation of the war.

Scott Kaiser Wrote:Roger Stone has contacted me, we spoke over the phone for a while, he's asking for all my paper work on Nixon and all my Libengood papers over Watergate and my father's conversation with Libengood to use in his book which comes out in ten days, I don't know if this will hurt me or help me when my book comes out. I wish, I knew what to do. ::

Not sure what's right for you either. That will need to be your decision. But I work on the assumption that the information always wants to be free. So I would encourage you to share away. Make it public and available. Your use of that information and your own story will make it unique. Other people will have their take on the information as it may relate to them. And that will be unique to them. That's their story. Together it is hoped that we all, you, me, everyone looking on, get a bigger and better picture of these hidden history. We all have a right to know. You especially.

Magda Hassan Wrote:

Scott Kaiser Wrote:Roger Stone has contacted me, we spoke over the phone for a while, he's asking for all my paper work on Nixon and all my Libengood papers over Watergate and my father's conversation with Libengood to use in his book which comes out in ten days, I don't know if this will hurt me or help me when my book comes out. I wish, I knew what to do. ::

Not sure what's right for you either. That will need to be your decision. But I work on the assumption that the information always wants to be free. So I would encourage you to share away. Make it public and available. Your use of that information and your own story will make it unique. Other people will have their take on the information as it may relate to them. And that will be unique to them. That's their story. Together it is hoped that we all, you, me, everyone looking on, get a bigger and better picture of these hidden history. We all have a right to know. You especially.

As always, thank you for the kind words and helpful advise, I don't believe it could hurt me as I believe that I will go into more detail than Roger would on the subject, I'm beginning to think that helping my fellow authors by adding any missing pieces of this huge puzzle would allow us all to benefit from.

I'm sure if I was looking for information he would do the same, and help me out. And so, on that note, I'll be sure to get him what he needs before the release of his book. Thanks for the advise.

Scott Kaiser Wrote:As always, thank you for the kind words and helpful advise, I don't believe it could hurt me as I believe that I will go into more detail than Roger would on the subject, I'm beginning to think that helping my fellow authors by adding any missing pieces of this huge puzzle would allow us all to benefit from.

I'm sure if I was looking for information he would do the same, and help me out. And so, on that note, I'll be sure to get him what he needs before the release of his book. Thanks for the advise.

Indeed. Our ongoing search for knowledge is a co-operative endeavour. When we can we should all share and help each other. It make it easier for all of us in the end.