This is the word (suspects), and this is the matter: Resolved: That the major assassinations were not the decision of one of the classic false sponsors (e.g., CIA, FBI, Hoover, Johnson, Mafia, et cetera), but of a category called Sponsor whose motives transcend nationalism, religion, any particular ideology or provincial pursuit.
I don't think Charles is showing any special affection here, but rather returning to a concept evolved from the work he shared with George Michael Evica in developing a theory of organization.
Years ago Craig I. Zirbel told us to focus on Johnson, then Barr McClellan, then Phillip Nelson, then Robert Morrow.
I categorize Johnson as another expendable tool, along with Hoover, Nixon, and others.
So many public figures are drenched with blood, but did not make the decision to pick up the knives, the guns, the napalm, and more exotic weapons.
L. Fletcher Prouty and Peter Dale Scott suggest the high cabal of Winston Churchill's phrase.
When I see Hunt naming, framing, Johnson, I know in the instant they're not in that car, so following it will not yield the sponsor.
Lyndon would say, "It's not fried, Momma, it's Shake-n-Bake, an' I hepped."
Yes, Junior, you certainly did.
Phil Dragoo Wrote:This is the word (suspects), and this is the matter: Resolved: That the major assassinations were not the decision of one of the classic false sponsors (e.g., CIA, FBI, Hoover, Johnson, Mafia, et cetera), but of a category called Sponsor whose motives transcend nationalism, religion, any particular ideology or provincial pursuit.
I don't think Charles is showing any special affection here, but rather returning to a concept evolved from the work he shared with George Michael Evica in developing a theory of organization.
Years ago Craig I. Zirbel told us to focus on Johnson, then Barr McClellan, then Phillip Nelson, then Robert Morrow.
I categorize Johnson as another expendable tool, along with Hoover, Nixon, and others.
So many public figures are drenched with blood, but did not make the decision to pick up the knives, the guns, the napalm, and more exotic weapons.
L. Fletcher Prouty and Peter Dale Scott suggest the high cabal of Winston Churchill's phrase.
When I see Hunt naming, framing, Johnson, I know in the instant they're not in that car, so following it will not yield the sponsor.
Lyndon would say, "It's not fried, Momma, it's Shake-n-Bake, an' I hepped."
Yes, Junior, you certainly did.
Excellent, if not artistic, summation, Phil! As usual...
This started out as an interesting thread before it was derailed into the ditch.
I noticed in William Pepper's AN ACT OF STATE that Hoover is only mentioned a handful of times. The larger scenario at work is that of the Pentagon (specifically army intelligence) worrying about MLK leading a poor peoples' march on the capitol and having it turn into the Russian Revolution. After all the riots across the US during the previous year, and with all the troops in Vietnam, there just weren't enough available to put down any large scale violence that might threaten the Federal Government itself.
This was a much bigger problem for the Army than it was for Hoover. Army officers, with their rigid anti-Communist mindset, were certain that only they stood in the way of a Communist Revolution. In their view, they had a duty to the country to keep that from happening. They could either massacre thousands of protestors in the capitol with the whole world watching, or simply take out the leader of the movement with one bullet - for the "good of the nation." What if the Czar's military could have killed Lenin and other Bolshevik leaders before they took over? Surely no good American military man would let this happen.
So they used their assets in organized crime, the MPD and the CIA to do the dirty work, with military snipers present as backup.
Tracy Riddle Wrote:What if the Czar's military could have killed Lenin and other Bolshevik leaders before they took over? Surely no good American military man would let this happen.
The Czar's police were busy supporting the Bolsheviks as they feared the Anarchists.
Tracy Riddle Wrote:This started out as an interesting thread before it was derailed into the ditch.
I noticed in William Pepper's AN ACT OF STATE that Hoover is only mentioned a handful of times. The larger scenario at work is that of the Pentagon (specifically army intelligence) worrying about MLK leading a poor peoples' march on the capitol and having it turn into the Russian Revolution. After all the riots across the US during the previous year, and with all the troops in Vietnam, there just weren't enough available to put down any large scale violence that might threaten the Federal Government itself.
This was a much bigger problem for the Army than it was for Hoover. Army officers, with their rigid anti-Communist mindset, were certain that only they stood in the way of a Communist Revolution. In their view, they had a duty to the country to keep that from happening. They could either massacre thousands of protestors in the capitol with the whole world watching, or simply take out the leader of the movement with one bullet - for the "good of the nation." What if the Czar's military could have killed Lenin and other Bolshevik leaders before they took over? Surely no good American military man would let this happen.
So they used their assets in organized crime, the MPD and the CIA to do the dirty work, with military snipers present as backup.
Ever since I read Pepper's book, I've felt that it made sense that the Pentagon were the sponsors of the MLK hit. I also harbour suspicions that they were the principal sponsors of the JFK hit too - because of his meddling in their cold war strategy, plus the oh so precious military industrial complex that had been developed in WWII.
I totally agree, David. The Pentagon is the real 900 lb gorilla in the room. The CIA gets to take the bad press - not that they aren't responsible for anything, but it's like the people who say "the mafia did it!" It ignores the close relationship between all these groups. The CIA's relationship with the Pentagon has sometimes been very rocky, but they cooperated on many things as well. The early CIA Directors (before Dulles) were all active-duty military men.
Tracy Riddle Wrote:I totally agree, David. The Pentagon is the real 900 lb gorilla in the room. The CIA gets to take the bad press - not that they aren't responsible for anything, but it's like the people who say "the mafia did it!" It ignores the close relationship between all these groups. The CIA's relationship with the Pentagon has sometimes been very rocky, but they cooperated on many things as well. The early CIA Directors (before Dulles) were all active-duty military men.
Yep. One "lead manager" and a lot of interconnected participants. The same crew who run things today, too.
Right. I mean, look at Operation Northwoods - who drew it up? The Pentagon. Who was going to be assigned to go out and do the dirty tricks stuff? The CIA (and probably organized crime, though they were smart enough not to write that down in the plans).
Tracy Riddle Wrote:Right. I mean, look at Operation Northwoods - who drew it up? The Pentagon. Who was going to be assigned to go out and do the dirty tricks stuff? The CIA (and probably organized crime, though they were smart enough not to write that down in the plans).
We're entirely on the same page here, Tracy.
On the supposed terrorist attack on the Pentagon on 911, I suspect this was simply and only to act as deflector shield to turn attention away from the Joint Chiefs as having any responsibility for the main show on that day... "we got hit too!" would've been the argument, I think.
My take also is that long ago the Pentagon wanted to have a separate source of funding besides that granted by the US state via politicians - who could pull it, or restrict it, in order to effect control over them. Hence the post Vietnam era - and growing all the time - US military involvement in the global drugs trade and the illicit sale of state bought arms to various parties around the world. In the early days of Indochina, people like Edward Lansdale, who later became a Major General, learned how the French military were running the Indochina war by trafficking opium, and thought what a damn good idea this was. Added to that, the US military had also seen how the SS and others used drugs (not to forget the highly profitable fake currency printing and distribution) as a way of financing their post WWII escape networks (like Odessa) in their latin American safe-havens.
On FUSD, in other words "fake US dollars" readers can do some digging on "superbills" (now known as 'superdollars' just t confuse things), but few will get back to the actual reality now, as so many artificial and confusing layers have now been added to the story placing the responsibility on Korea, Russia or various middle easter destinations. But the plates for these virtually perfect bank notes were found in South Africa, along with the plate man, who was arrested there by the US Secret Service. He was, curiously, a former US serviceman (Navy), who jumped ship in Cape Town many decades ago.
David Guyatt Wrote:....
On FUSD, in other words "fake US dollars" readers can do some digging on "superbills" (now known as 'superdollars' just t confuse things), but few will get back to the actual reality now, as so many artificial and confusing layers have now been added to the story placing the responsibility on Korea, Russia or various middle easter destinations. But the plates for these virtually perfect bank notes were found in South Africa, along with the plate man, who was arrested there by the US Secret Service. He was, curiously, a former US serviceman (Navy), who jumped ship in Cape Town many decades ago.
Now, that is some interesting secret history :
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