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Bill Simpich: How the Warren Commission Covered Up JFK's Murder - Peter Lemkin - 21-11-2014
Everyone always carried their rifles in a long paper bag - one matching their lunch sandwich bag...or maybe this was his lunch bag - for a baguette. ::face.palm:: While the DPD were generally not giving out info to reporters in the hours after the shooting, this guy with the bag seems to be speaking to two reporters - one with a microphone and one with a note pad. Gee, wonder what he was saying...something like, "this was OSWALD'S bag that concealed the murder weapon he shot from the sixth floor..."
I'm no expert on non-governmental subpoena powers, but if one googles 'citizen subpoena power' one gets some examples, mostly on local or state level. I see none on a federal level. Should one ever be assembled [doubtful, IMHO, sadly] the CIA, FBI, NSA and others like them would actively subvert and prevent witnesses appearing and evidence being presented. They are the agencies tasked with the permanent obstruction of justice on this, and other similar, matter(s). One could prove this with a rather long and sad list, but officially the FBI has stated that the case is still 'open' and they have done NOTHING with the many new leads that prove conspiracy and the falsehood of their invented 'official version'.
Within states, I believe citizen subpoena power can be had - whether the powers would be beyond the state is doubtful - a simple referendum can produce such - enforcement of the powers are the problem as the power in the USA does NOT reside with the people, but with the Secret Government and who they represent, IMHO. Only a revolution could change that. Boy do we need one. One would hope it would be peaceful - it need not be otherwise. IMO, the biggest fallacy in America is the belief among some that the system can be reformed. I believe it can only be scrapped in its entirety. It is entirely corrupt, undemocratic, manipulative with propaganda, lethal, warlike, neo-fascist, a police state, and hellbent on becoming more so as quickly as possible.
While I think such an effort (citizen's investigation of the assassination of JFK with subpoena powers) would in the end fail, I also think it would open the eyes of most thinking people [that's a minority, but he important minority for instigating a changed political structure] as to the absolute hopelessness of reforming a corrupt system, which doesn't allow scrutiny of nor investigation of its own multitudinous State Crimes Against Democracy.
::gtfo::
Bill Simpich: How the Warren Commission Covered Up JFK's Murder - Magda Hassan - 21-11-2014
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Everyone always carried their rifles in a long paper bag - one matching their lunch sandwich bag...or maybe this was his lunch bag - for a baguette. ::face.palm::
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: Yeah, and we all know how popular baguettes were in Dallas in the early 1960's.....rifles on the other hand.....no problemo!
Bill Simpich: How the Warren Commission Covered Up JFK's Murder - Drew Phipps - 21-11-2014
Realistically the best way to get an investigative body with subpoena powers is for a Dallas District Attorney to initiate grand jury proceedings. They still have the jurisdiction over the murders of both JFK and Ruby. Seems likely that some of the folks that participated in the cover up, did so in Dallas, so might be investigated for making false reports, tampering with evidence, etc.
Bill Simpich: How the Warren Commission Covered Up JFK's Murder - Tracy Riddle - 21-11-2014
Drew Phipps Wrote:Realistically the best way to get an investigative body with subpoena powers is for a Dallas District Attorney to initiate grand jury proceedings. They still have the jurisdiction over the murders of both JFK and Ruby. Seems likely that some of the folks that participated in the cover up, did so in Dallas, so might be investigated for making false reports, tampering with evidence, etc.
Look at the grand jury they put together after the OKC bombing, and what a controlled farce that was.
http://www.whale.to/b/rapp8.html
As long as the current power structure remains in place in the US, there will be no real official investigations of the JFK assassination at any level. We have to realize that.
Bill Simpich: How the Warren Commission Covered Up JFK's Murder - Albert Doyle - 21-11-2014
Peter Lemkin Wrote:They are the agencies tasked with the permanent obstruction of justice on this, and other similar, matter(s).
Peter makes a good point here. Nothing gets past what he wrote above and that is the bottom line. These people exerted their authority when they took over the Plaza and CNN on the 50th and sent a message on what the deal is. It's a mistake to pretend there is any level of public procedure that will influence or affect them. America is a fascist occupied country pretending to be a genuine democracy.
Bill Simpich: How the Warren Commission Covered Up JFK's Murder - Dawn Meredith - 21-11-2014
Drew Phipps Wrote:Realistically the best way to get an investigative body with subpoena powers is for a Dallas District Attorney to initiate grand jury proceedings. They still have the jurisdiction over the murders of both JFK and Ruby. Seems likely that some of the folks that participated in the cover up, did so in Dallas, so might be investigated for making false reports, tampering with evidence, etc.
Dallas DA won't touch this. He was gung ho when he was first elected. Someone scared him in my opinion. I talked with him briefly several years ago when he presented here at an Innocence CLE. He looked like he was about to faint when I told him why I was there.
Dawn
Bill Simpich: How the Warren Commission Covered Up JFK's Murder - Drew Phipps - 21-11-2014
I'm not saying it has to be the current DA. A different one will be in office at some point. At some point, there will be another Garrison; hopefully, not making the same mistakes.
Bill Simpich: How the Warren Commission Covered Up JFK's Murder - Albert Doyle - 21-11-2014
I think today's political system very carefully screens the Garrison's out before they get to the election stage.
Bill Simpich: How the Warren Commission Covered Up JFK's Murder - Drew Phipps - 22-11-2014
Nope. Anybody can run, so long as you sign up. (I'm not going to run thru the various scallywags that have been made DA here in Texas.) Getting elected, though, would likely involve either belonging to the dominant political party (and whatever sorts of compromises that entails), or just spending a lot of money on advertising. Incumbent DA's do become unpopular (see Rosemary Lehmberg) and can be defeated. I expect the town of Ferguson also might see a weather change in their local politics pretty soon.
Bill Simpich: How the Warren Commission Covered Up JFK's Murder - Peter Lemkin - 22-11-2014
Dawn Meredith Wrote:Drew Phipps Wrote:Realistically the best way to get an investigative body with subpoena powers is for a Dallas District Attorney to initiate grand jury proceedings. They still have the jurisdiction over the murders of both JFK and Ruby. Seems likely that some of the folks that participated in the cover up, did so in Dallas, so might be investigated for making false reports, tampering with evidence, etc.
Dallas DA won't touch this. He was gung ho when he was first elected. Someone scared him in my opinion. I talked with him briefly several years ago when he presented here at an Innocence CLE. He looked like he was about to faint when I told him why I was there.
Dawn
Here, is the typical best [sic] scenario....someone get elected and actually thinks to 'do the right thing'....but somewhere along the line [rather early, I'd say] has read the 'riot act' and frightened them away for fear of their career, family, and their their own life. IMO, even more so than in the past, challenging the official mythology of important covert operations now is dangerous. If one is lucky, you will only loose your position/status in society - if you are not so lucky, you'll have an 'accident' or 'suicide' [though these techniques were used in the past, as well]. One still hopes for people of Garrison's bravery and stature - but I think we can't count on them any more, as they are few[er] than in the past - and never were numberous - for many reasons. We can only count on group action of those who can see the wrongs and want to right them. IMHO. Waiting for a leader or focal point is self-defeating and letting those of us who know off the hook. Knowledge implies responsibility. All of us who know, must act, responsibly...but ACT!