Magda Hassan Wrote:I can see several differences in the maps. Perhaps Don and you used the same source for your respective maps? I don't know. If I was making a map of Dealy Plaza from scratch it would likely turn out very similar to yours and Don's as there is only so much variation that can happen with a fixed scale drawing. But the variation is there between your two maps. To accuse some one of theft is a serious matter Anthony. Especially some one as well respected and loved and whose integrity has never been questioned as Don.

Myra Bronstein Wrote:Anthony,

Another claim you made, in post #10, is that "[Don] has added a lot of speculative crap as if they are facts."

When asked to give specifics you replied, in post #12, "I can't summarize all his speculations in one quick message."

Well you've had many weeks to back up your claim yet you have failed to do so. In fact you haven't even tried to back up your claim.

You need to give specifics when you make such a charge on this forum. This is your opportunity to do so.

Myra

Anthony Marsh Wrote:Maybe your forum software is defective. You should have been able to download the map I uploaded.
Here is Roberdeau's map:

http://imgcash2.imageshack.us/img160...g110508mb6.gif

Here is my map from 1990:

http://the-puzzle-palace.com/Dealey.gif

Print out both maps, preferably on clear acetate and lay one over the other. You will see that they match perfectly in almost all places except where he has added his own details. Note especially the distance from Main Street to the TSBD. No one else knew at the time the correct distance. I was the only one to figure it out.
Note especially the two tool sheds behind the pergola shelter. Note the street lights and traffic lines. Note the steps up to the pergola. I was the one who had to figure out pixel by pixel how to change straight lines into curves. You'll also notice that he corrected my curve of Elm Street. Since he was using an IBM whereas my Commodore 64 program did not make curves.
Even some of his staunchest defenders have admitted that he started with my map.
He has never admitted it. He has never credited me.
That's called stealing research. Like most people he probably found my map floating somewhere on the Internet and didn't realize where it came from. That why I corrected an incorrect post by someone else to set the record straight.

Anthony Marsh Wrote:If you reread that original message from me you can see that I said that I can not list everything in one message.
But you persist in being abusive, so let's play your little game. Here is one error. On his map he shows Zapruder a couple of feet IN FRONT of Sitzman on the pedestal. The Moorman photo shows that Sitman was right next to Zapruder, to his left and slightly behind him. Why? Because he had vertigo and asked her to hold onto him.
Ok, now your turn. I just mentioned only one thing and you've wasted 10 minutes of my time. Now you reply that my original message said there were several errors and I have mentioned only one, so I owe you more. Then I'll reply with ANOTHER. And then you reply that TWO is not several and I owe you more. So I then reply with ANOTHER. So let's play your little game and let me know when I am up to 100 items. Is that enough for you?
Or do you want 1,000? Maybe 1,000,000?

Myra Bronstein Wrote:

Anthony Marsh Wrote:Maybe your forum software is defective. You should have been able to download the map I uploaded.
Here is Roberdeau's map:

http://imgcash2.imageshack.us/img160...g110508mb6.gif

Here is my map from 1990:

http://the-puzzle-palace.com/Dealey.gif

Print out both maps, preferably on clear acetate and lay one over the other. You will see that they match perfectly in almost all places except where he has added his own details. Note especially the distance from Main Street to the TSBD. No one else knew at the time the correct distance. I was the only one to figure it out.
Note especially the two tool sheds behind the pergola shelter. Note the street lights and traffic lines. Note the steps up to the pergola. I was the one who had to figure out pixel by pixel how to change straight lines into curves. You'll also notice that he corrected my curve of Elm Street. Since he was using an IBM whereas my Commodore 64 program did not make curves.
Even some of his staunchest defenders have admitted that he started with my map.
He has never admitted it. He has never credited me.
That's called stealing research. Like most people he probably found my map floating somewhere on the Internet and didn't realize where it came from. That why I corrected an incorrect post by someone else to set the record straight.

Anthony,

I don't need printers or acetate to see that the 1990 map you say is yours (which is clearly labeled "Free to Copy" by the way) is a simple diagram of a physical location. Whereas Don's document presents a massive amount of detail in a concise format. Your document does not resemble Don's document in terms of appearance or usefulness.

Myra

Magda Hassan Wrote:...
Did all these people steal your map too?

Magda Hassan Wrote:http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s115/milesscull/Dealey_Plaza_map-bm2.gif


AM: No, that is Craig Ciccione's map.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/images/DealeyPlaza.gif


AM: No, that is Bob Cutler's map which start with West's map and is likewise inaccurate.

http://www.kenrahn.com/Marsh/Dealey_Plaza/map.jpg


AM: No, that is the water department's map.

http://www.markturner.com/jfk/topo-dealey-1.png

http://pages.prodigy.net/whiskey99/fig14.jpg


AM: Some people think that is the HSCA map, but it came from me. It is my correction of the HSCA map.

http://www.geoarts.com/samples/topomapdealey.jpg

AM: Again that is taken from my correction of the HSCA map. Notice at the bottom where it says Revised 6 March 1981. That was as a result of my finding an error in the original HSCA map. You can tell that someone just copied my copy by the very faint horizontal line which was the result of where it was folded when it was mailed to me. I was the first person to have this map and have shared it with other researchers.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo/jfk8/8p017fig4.gif


AM: No, that is the BBN map showing where they planned to place the microphones for the shooting tests.

http://www.jfkhistory.com/pix/diagram.gif


AM: No, that may be based on a Bob Cutler map he did for someone else.

http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/images/news/Thomas_figure_040508.jpg

AM: I don't think he started with my map.
It looks like the original 1978 HSCA before the correction I made in 1981.


http://www.markturner.com/jfk/topo-dealey-2.jpg


No, again that it the water department map which the FBI/WC used to plot camera angles.

Did all these people steal your map too?