Edwin Ortiz Wrote:Yes my interest in mr shaw was to ask him why he quit and whether he has heard anything new ...especially since he was at the forefront of the investigation...

Quote:Dunkel, you're back on 'blocked'. Real people use real names - not stage names. REAL patriots do not have fake museums that twist the truth toward the Big Lie. When your mausoleum sells books like JFK and the Unspeakable and removes the moniker of and display of the sniper's window [implying Oswald's window] then perhaps we can talk again. Your group's attempts to dominate the 50th and to keep persons like Groden off balance now, and all researchers off balance as the 50th nears is despicable. You do NOT use history - you use PROPAGANDA and dirty tricks. Jack White and others who know Gary Shaw well in current times differ with you on G. Shaw's reasons for discontinuing his active research. Funny how when I posted *********** related to the RW matter on the EF, within days I was removed as were all my posts. Oh, yes, a cover story was invented - aren't they always.

You work with and for the Bad Guys. Shame on YOU! You sold out, as once you seemed to do real research [badgeman, for example] - but who knows perhaps that was just to ingratiate yourself to the real research community - who know that OSWALD was Naval Intel, CIA, FBI and likely Customs - a false defector to the USSR; a patsy who never ordered that M-C rifle; never fired at the President and was murdered two days later than originally planned so he couldn't defend himself; and so that the REAL perpetrators in the coup that stole America [and has it in its grips still!] secretly could proceed with their Big Lies, cover-up, and march toward what we have now....a neo-fascist corporate-financial-MIC police state with perpetual war and ever diminution of our Rights and Freedoms. Time for you to look at which side YOU are on! Don't bother further communication. I'm blocking your email [again]. It got through only because I changed email programs. Over and out. There is much more I could say, but don't think you can 'hear'. From a Patriot to a person I consider a traitor to the Truth. P.L.

Magda Hassan Wrote:Unfortunately Gary Mack can't have membership here as we don't take lone nutters as members.

Peter Lemkin Wrote:

Edwin Ortiz Wrote:Yes my interest in mr shaw was to ask him why he quit and whether he has heard anything new ...especially since he was at the forefront of the investigation...

Mr Gary Shaw is not now and never has been a member here. Good luck asking him anything, as it is extremely difficult to even get him to beg off answering. It took me [a longtime researcher who had been in contact with Shaw in the past] a lot of work and time through Shaw's better current friends to even make a brief contact. In short, he is not speaking on JFK any more. I and others have outlined why we think this is so. The voice of the unspeakable also chimed in via a backdoor route with the officially sanctioned rationale [which I for one do NOT buy for a second]. R. White remains, IMHO, a prime suspect as an important operative [along with many others] doing certain things to set-up the patsy and hide the real assassins, while facilitating the murder of the President and the coup d'etat that it was. White met his own strange and suspicious end some years after [as did so many others]. Jack White is, I believe, correct in thinking that White played some role in the Backyard photos and may well have also played a role in events around Tippit. There are suspicions, not fully nailed down, that he was seen on the Knoll at the time of the shooting. Much of what was presented in the press confernces on R. White were, I believe, work on (in part) planted and false evidence - planted to entrap certain researchers and to muddy the waters as to R. White's real roles - as well as those of others; thus, to perpetuate the Big Lie that LHO was the lone assassin - as the Unspeakable would have us believe for all time. The cover-up is continuing and active; in fact, it is picking up its pace as the 50th nears. While most researchers only meet with provocateurs, planted evidence, lack of attention by the MSM, dirty tricks and such, on occasion the following of certain trails or the possession of certain information has proved dangerous [in a variety of ways] to fatal for witnesses and researchers, both. If you believe all the strange and convenient deaths were coincidence you don't know anything about statistics and probability....let alone about how our corrupt 'system' works.

Edwin Ortiz Wrote:Interesting reply it is food for thought ....however who is the Unspeakable...is "he" similar to The Absolute....in theosophical terms....

Quote:Theosophy (from Greek θεοσοφία theosophia, from θεός theos, divine + σοφία sophia, wisdom; literally "divine wisdom"), refers to systems of speculation or investigation seeking direct knowledge of the mysteries of being and nature, with particular concern on the nature of Divinity. Theosophy is also considered a part of the broader field of esotericism, referring to hidden knowledge or wisdom that offers the individual enlightenment and salvation. The theosophist seeks to understand the mysteries of the universe and the bonds that unite the universe, humanity and the divine world. The goal is to explore the origin of divinity and humanity (theogony and anthropogony) including the end of world, life and humanity (eschatology). Then, from investigation of these discover a coherent description of the purpose and origin of the universe (cosmogony). The theosophist inquires into the hieroglyphs of nature (insights, or poetic meaning, in flowers, rainbows etc.), using a method of interpretation founded upon a specific myth or revelation, to apply active imagination in order to draw forth symbolic meanings and further their pursuit of knowledge toward a complete understanding of these mysteries.

Edwin Ortiz Wrote:Interesting reply it is food for thought ....however who is the Unspeakable...is "he" similar to The Absolute....in theosophical terms....

Edwin Ortiz Wrote:Interesting reply it is food for thought ....however who is the Unspeakable...is "he" similar to The Absolute....in theosophical terms....

Edwin Ortiz Wrote:Mr drago always looking for something that is not there ...i didnt realize that the lemkin reply on the unspeakable had to do with the book ..i have heard good things about the book and i plan to get it ..i thought "unspeakable" meant something mystical or spiritual or a little voice ..obviously i was off base...but than arent great ideas often divinely inspired....