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Valkyrie at Dealey Plaza - Peter Lemkin - 05-09-2012
Bill Kelly Wrote:Bill, I was almost sure that was your thinking, but just suggest you reword the piece slightly to make the distinction between what you and the research community thinks and he said. It has misled a few here and more of the general public would also be misled without that clarification, I think.Peter Lemkin Wrote:Bill, I hope you don't 'buy' the story that LHO shot Walker....cause it ain't so....was part of the legend they forced on Lee - some before, most DURING, some after.
I have always noted to myself there was something sinister that needed explaining about LBJ's insisting on being sworn in on the plane.....I think you've found the answer.....and that goes a LONG way to connecting the 'dots'. It also indicates to me that if LBJ was not let in on the plot some while before the event, he was given enough hints to piece it together when it happened...and reacted immediately to secure his position in the cabal, lest he be bypassed completely.
Thanks for all the comments, and to Lauren for providing the correct link to the updated version.
And no, Peter, I don't buy the idea that Oswald took the shot at Walker any more than he killed JFK.
It's just that Volkmar Schmidt mentioned Walker and associated him with the plot to kill Hitler. When I asked Schmidt if he felt guilty for inspiring Oswald to take a shot at Walker he replied he felt guilty every time he drove through Dealey Plaza - as if he felt guilty for the assassination of JFK, not the Walker shooting.
In any case, I haven't had time to read all the responses but will and get back to you on the comments.
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Valkyrie at Dealey Plaza - Albert Doyle - 05-09-2012
An ongoing exercise would be the same modus operandi as 9-11.
Valkyrie at Dealey Plaza - Vasilios Vazakas - 12-09-2012
I believe so Albert. We do know that certain exercises were running during the morning of 911 by name,
like Northern Vigilant, Vigilant warrior, Global guardian etc. Unfortunately we do not know any names for possible exercises during 11-22-63
Valkyrie at Dealey Plaza - Bill Kelly - 12-09-2012
Vasilios Vazakas Wrote:I believe so Albert. We do know that certain exercises were running during the morning of 911 by name,
like Northern Vigilant, Vigilant warrior, Global guardian etc. Unfortunately we do not know any names for possible exercises during 11-22-63
If you are familiar with the Silver Dollar-Looking Glass story - that too was a 11/22/63 military exercise.
While I can't find the relevant article right now, I think it was written by Larry Haapenen and concerns the National Emergency Command Center plane checking in with a Texas military base at 12:25 PM 11/22/63 - I think it was Fort Hood.
If anyone can find a link to it, I think it is also posted at Mary Ferrell, but I couldn't find it in a quick search.
BK
Valkyrie at Dealey Plaza - Vasilios Vazakas - 12-09-2012
I have read your article, an Peter Dale Scott wrote about the silver dollar. Would you agree with my analysis regarding the continuation of Government exercise
with fake assassination attempts in Tampa, Chicago and Dallas, although was used for the real hit?
Valkyrie at Dealey Plaza - Bill Kelly - 24-09-2012
Vasilios Vazakas Wrote:I have read your article, an Peter Dale Scott wrote about the silver dollar. Would you agree with my analysis regarding the continuation of Government exercise
with fake assassination attempts in Tampa, Chicago and Dallas, although was used for the real hit?
Yes
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Valkyrie at Dealey Plaza - Charles Drago - 24-09-2012
Am I accurate, then, in concluding that Messrs. Kelly and Vasilios agree with my original argument as stated at
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?6265-The-Chicago-Plot-A-Hypothesis :
RESOLVED: The alleged Chicago plot to assassinate JFK never was meant to result in an actual attack.
Rather, it was a fictive construct designed as the Dallas conspiracy's doppelganger.
The objectives of its planners -- the highest level Facilitators of the Dallas plot -- were to:
A. Explain the anticipated pre-assassination leaks of Dallas plot info as cases of mistaken identify;
B. Foil the Chicago "plot" at the last minute -- close to the timed Dallas attack -- and thus provide a plausible excuse for planned enhanced Dallas security to be relaxed;*
C. Support the Dallas cover-up by misdirecting honest investigations of the real assassination through the imposition of the confusion, complexity, and cognitive dissonance associated with the classic doppelganger gambit.
Valkyrie at Dealey Plaza - Albert Doyle - 24-09-2012
Even if so I still hold that if somehow Lee Harvey Oswald got hit by a bus prior to the Chicago ruse the plan would have been executed because all the ingredients were there.
Also, this ruse could have been used to show the cooperating shooters that they would be protected in Dallas just as they had been in Chicago. If these were Cuban shooters their confidence would be gained by showing how they could be captured but still be completely protected. On the other hand their being captured could be used as blackmail to make sure they went through with the Dallas plan. This is very creepy because if this plot is a direct doppleganger then the use of Cubans would possibly mean they were also the shooters in Dallas. Or perhaps they brought in the world's best in Dallas to make sure the job was done.
Valkyrie at Dealey Plaza - Vasilios Vazakas - 24-09-2012
Charles
O fcourse your reasoning is sound, and it would also fit into my hypothesis of the continuation of government/blame it on Castro fake attempt/SS security tests.
Vallee hadn't visited Mexico, he was not a FPCC supporter and he was not a defector to Soviet Union, and Chicago was not the home of LBJ abd Texas olimen.
And as say it was a perfect cover to conceal a real attempt.
However, in my hypothesis the three patsies were Oswald, Miguel Casas Saez and Policarpo Lopez. Unfortunately Casas was not arrested in Chicago and he was not
a patsy either. And Vallee did not fit the profile of a Pro Castro, FPCC supporter.
However i cannot exclude the possibility that it was a real attempt. If it was a real one, then the Vallee patsy would have pointed to the opposite direction
from Castro and to the Anti-Castro crowd and possibly the Chicago mafia.
Unfortunately we do not know the identity of the four gunmen-if it were Cuban or Anti-Castro extremists, those linked to Paulino Sierra Martinez and his
Junta in Exile with Prios Soccaras, Orlando Bosch, etc.
Valkyrie at Dealey Plaza - Charles Drago - 24-09-2012
Albert Doyle Wrote:Also, this ruse could have been used to show the cooperating shooters that they would be protected in Dallas just as they had been in Chicago.
No, it couldn't.