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The Sponsor/Facilitator/Mechanic Model Applied to 9/11 - Lauren Johnson - 12-09-2012
Albert Doyle Wrote:[quote=Vasilios Vazakas]
I don't know what "LIHOP" and "MIHOP" mean.
LIHOP = Let It Happen On Purpose
MIHOP = Make It Happen On Purpose
The Sponsor/Facilitator/Mechanic Model Applied to 9/11 - Vasilios Vazakas - 12-09-2012
Albert Doyle Wrote:Vasilios Vazakas Wrote:I have colored the above in red to ask Charles what he meant by heads of state? Do you mean
Somoza of Nicaragua? Who else?
May I volunteer Ben Gurion of Israel?
This answer is vintage Albert and i would not expect anything less from you.
But let's wait to see what Charles would say since he was the author of the above quote about heads of state.
The Sponsor/Facilitator/Mechanic Model Applied to 9/11 - Charles Drago - 12-09-2012
Jeffrey Orling Wrote:There is no disbut the *insiders* wanted war and access to oil... did they allow attacks to proceed? Did they faciliate them by all sorts of ways? Or as many speculate.. did they lace the towers with explosives? and the planes were complete fabircations?
I think the case for LIHOP... treason of course is there. MIHOP the inside job... don't see it.
Of course you don't see "it."
LIHOP -- let it happen on purpose -- is the classic limited hangout.
MIHOP -- make it happen on purpose -- is the deep political truth protected by LIHOP.
The question remains: WHO made it happen on purpose?
In other words, who were the Sponsors of the 9-11 operation?
(As opposed to the False Sponsors, of course.)
The Sponsor/Facilitator/Mechanic Model Applied to 9/11 - Charles Drago - 12-09-2012
Ramfis Trujillo.
Lyndon Baines Johnson.
The Somozas (by proxy).
I remain agnostic on the issue of Ben Gurion's role, if any.
The Sponsor/Facilitator/Mechanic Model Applied to 9/11 - Vasilios Vazakas - 12-09-2012
Thanks Charles
I would suspect that Somoza was involved through Gilberto Alvarado.
What about Trujillo?
The Sponsor/Facilitator/Mechanic Model Applied to 9/11 - Phil Dragoo - 12-09-2012
John O'Neill the FBI counterterrorism chief was ignored--then they stole his briefcase at an FBI seminar by calling him to the phone.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/view/
Agent Colleen Rowley was ignored when she reported the flying lesson anomalies. When she wrote Mueller a seven-page letter she was privately retaliated against.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/wtc_whistleblower1.htm
Jamie's Wall prevented the sharing of information.
I stipulate the attack was planned with resources far beyond those of Emmanuel Goldstein.
As with Dealey ballistics, we need not agree on the technical details if we concur that it was most assuredly intended by supranational power players.
I submit it is seamless to this day.
We went to Afghanistan and remain. The heroin. That alone. Of course there are strategic considerations other than the big D Drug trade.
We removed Saddam Hussein and this removed a threat primarily to both Saudi and Iran.
Brzezinski-Gates in their 2004 CFR paper and the NIE for 2007 are the equivalent of Allen Dulles pooh-poohing the threat of Hitler.
Arab Spring creates a fuse line to Iran.
Can it be that for all the Oil, Arms and Drugs thus far acquired, purchased, sold, used, there is a greater need, a tolerance.
Is it a knot of junkies addicted to war.
Baby's little Cabal
is addicted to war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcATvu5f9vE
The Sponsor/Facilitator/Mechanic Model Applied to 9/11 - Jeffrey Orling - 13-09-2012
We've seen a few terrorists incidents in Libya and Egypt this week. Were they deep state ops ... false flags or were these actually disgruntled Islamists pissed off at Uncle Sam? I see them as the latter. There have been probably a half dozen US embassies bombed in Islamic countries over the past decade or so... false flags or pissed off locals?
Your deep state few has everyone minding their own business taking every oppressive act on the chin.. never reacting and all the so called "reactions"... terrorists acts are fals flags to make it appear that the very oppressed people pushed back so that the lords can step down harder on the necks as they do nothing.
Are there insurgencies and rebel movements? Are they always co opted by the deep state? Was the Cuban revolution a deep state operation?
The WHO in LIHOP or MIHOP was elements of the military industrial complex which stands to gain AND DID gain from 9/11. My view is that the US policies give rise to terrorism and terrorism will eventually go big enough to be a 9111 type event... all on its own if the USA?MIC carries on with their imperial agenda. You can bank on it. If this is true, then why engage in elaborate conspiracies to fake what is inevitable?... not spin it... but stage manage it.
The Sponsor/Facilitator/Mechanic Model Applied to 9/11 - Charles Drago - 13-09-2012
Jeffrey,
Your credentials as a student of deep politics are non-existent.
Yet you continue to make a fool of yourself with such statements as, "[W]hy engage in elaborate conspiracies to fake what is inevitable?"
You apply conventional political science analyses to events that are deep political in nature. Your analyses thus are fatally under-informed and presented as arguments from non-existent authority.. But you don't quit.
Is it ego? Are your ignorant bleatings agenda-driven?
My answer: Yes.
The Sponsor/Facilitator/Mechanic Model Applied to 9/11 - Jeffrey Orling - 13-09-2012
Charles,
You are a bright and educated man, but your manners are appalling and some of your logic leaves something to be desired. If someone does not have your deep state political perspective... they are either completely clueless about the notion... and further have an agenda... to boot.
The funny thing about the deep state world view is that nothing that happens is not driven by the deep state. It's almost a Cartesian concept of the world... everything MUST be understood as activity of the deep state... which is a bunch of evil guys sitting atop the pyramid of humanity... unseen yet making it all work to their wishes....
I don't have a problem with the notion that there are very powerful individuals or groups who work behind the scenes advancing their agenda... which seems to be about wealth and power. I do have a problem when someone is denying that there are dialetecs in play... that there are no forces in the affairs of man that the deep state dudes are not running like a puppet show.
I have to agree with everything YOU believe? Why?
Jeffrey
The Sponsor/Facilitator/Mechanic Model Applied to 9/11 - Charles Drago - 13-09-2012
"Believe" or know?
And my manners are beyond reproach, asshole!