David Josephs Wrote:

Quote:http://www.ctka.net/2014-Josephs/Josephs_Mexico%20City_Part%201.html
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(When Richard Case Nagell was arrested in El Paso Texas, the police found a military ID card issued to Oswald in his belongings......

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Lead # 10/Allegation: That Oswald's DD 1173 I. D. card was lost, and
subsequently returned in the mail, and that the circular date stamp is a
U.S. Post Office cancellation stamp used by the post office when the card
was (presumably) mailed back to the Department of Defense by the person
who found it.

Findings: Incorrect. The author was able to conclusively determine that
the stamp on Oswald's DD 1173 is not a postal cancellation cache. By
comparing a JUL 19, 1960 cache with an AUG 8, 1996 cache (see attachment
15), it was determined that the format of the cancellation stamp used by
the U.S. Postal Service in 1960 was identical with that used in 1996. It
seemed reasonable to conclude, therefore, that the format of cancellation
stamps used in 1962 or 1963 (the period in which the DD 1173 was
presumably lost and postmarked upon its return to the Department of
Defense) would have been identical. Using attachment 15 as a "control," it
is therefore demonstrable that the circular stamp found on the DD 1173
(see attachment 2) is not a postal cancellation stamp: a city name does
not appear (as it should) in the outer circumference of the DD 1173
mystery stamp; and the month, day and year appear on the DD 1173 stamp in
the outer ring of the circle, instead of in the center of the circle
(where they would appear on a true postal cancellation). The author's
findings confirm researcher Paul Hoch's earlier suspicion, outlined in his
"Echoes of Conspiracy" newsletter of 3/8/93, that the circular stamp on
Oswald's DD 1173 may not have been a postal cancellation at all, but
instead was probably affixed by Oswald himself with his own stamp kit. In
addition, the author has observed that this date stamp on the front side
of the DD 1173 (see attachment 2) just happens to coincide with the opaque
white "mask" on the lower right hand corner of the "Oswald in Minsk" photo
on the front of the card; perhaps the purpose of the stamp was to either
disguise the abnormality in the Minsk photo, or to make it appear as if
his expired I. D. card (which expired December 7, 1962) had been extended
(until JUL or OCT 23, 1963), or both. Furthermore, as Paul Hoch pointed
out, the mysterious date

16 continued

Quote:LIFE - Aug 27, 1965 - Page 64 - Google Books Result

https://books.google.com/books?id=WFMEAAAAMBAJ
Vol. 59, No. 9 - ‎Magazine
It is now run by Jacob's son, Milton Paul Klein. Klein's regularly advertises in The American Rifleman, which is the organ of the National Rifle Association.

Drew Phipps Wrote:As we all know, the selective Service card with photo on it is a forgery.



The Warren Commission even provides us a description of the manner of its forgery.

What I'm curious about, is the origin of the photo, which isn't supposed to be there. Has anyone read a article, or have a link to an article, about the provenance of the photo?

It doesn't appear to be one of the photos on "Evolution of Oswald." He looks younger, and he has less receding hair here, than in the other 1963 photos. However, "younger" sort of puts this photo in the Minsk days, or earlier...

David Josephs Wrote:Thanks Tom...

Thanks for the Milton Klein info... so he ran it, was Jacob President while Waldman/Kasper were VPs?

As to what was found in Nagell's trunk... it was not what I posted which was Oswald's actual DoD card.

Here is a composite of the passports and the photocopy of the Nagell version of Oswald's DoD card...

As for Armstrong's work... the notebooks are here: http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm/tabs/collection/po-arm

Quote:https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/entry.php?270-Misunderstanding-of-the-Available-Evidence-Supporting-Nagell-s-Claims
by Tom Scully
, 07-08-2015 at 05:22 PM

Quote:Larry Hancock - Posted 10 May 2004 - 10:10 PM
Hi John, here goes on some short responses to your questions:

1) There is only partial documentation on the contents of Nagell's car, the items which I discuss in my book were listed on the second page of an FBI report and the first page seems to have vanished. Dick Russell could not find the detailed property reports in the court records nor was there a personal property report e.g. wallet, contents of wallet etc. What is documented is very suggestive but its worth noting that Nagell made continued efforts to get all the personal and car property back to aid in his defense and that was repeatedly denied. In fact only part of it was ever returned and that was many years later as part of his personal law suit.

2) There is no direct confirmation of a warning letter to Hoover, the only circumstantial points tending to confirm it are covered in the book including the special questions for the very early interview of Marina Oswald - questions sent from FBI HQ that could indicate that Hoover did indeed have an advance warning from Nagell specifically about Oswald.

3) As to Nagell's mental state, I spent about a year and a half going through literall all his medical records, court records etc before I was convinced that there was a clear pattern which would support him as a viable witness - clearly some of his statements are very conditional in regard to what his goals were at given times, especially during the period when his only main goal was recovering custody of his children. You will find all those documents and my analysis on the CD on Nagell available through Lancer; it's probably the largest composite collection of Nagell documents around.

4) I have no indication that Thorneberry was in the June planning meeting and he would seem out of place considering the stature of the other attendees... Carter was there though.

5) I have no real evidence that Thorneberry's appointment was anything other than sheer patronage; he clearly was a long term Johnson personal friend and Johnson had no qualms about appointing friends to positions regardless of their qualifications. It's certainly an interesting coincidence of course, it's just that we will never know for sure if perhaps Johnson called up his friend and asked for some minor favor in making sure none of Nagell's inflamatory claims about Oswald and a conspiracy got any public visibilty....for the good of the country of course.

-- Larry

David Healy Wrote:I have never, ever seen a selective service card including a photo of the holder. Has there been any background done concerning this "uniqueness?"

Quote:My point is that what you are posting, as far as I am know, and what you wrote about it in the CTKA page that i linked to, is actually unsupported by anything that could actually be verified, going all the way back to when Nagell was visited in prison, by anything other than that no provenance photocopy, and Nagell's own claims. Physical evidence allegedly including a page of his inventoried possessions seized by his arresting officers, in his trial record, never turned up. He made a lot of claims, but it is what it is, and you embrace it at your own risk. I cannot allow myself to accept it, or i would reduce my requirements of proof below those of the WC. I am in this to keep it real.

Post no one else's claims without verifying them and avoid making assumptions. It is actually less work and less time is wasted than by assuming other secondary sources have reliably documented and interpreted the evidence.