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A CLEVER SOPHIST LIE - Richard Gilbride - 27-09-2023
The PrayerMan figure unequivocably is situated at the front of the Depository landing, and thereby measures a full head shorter than the 6-foot one-quarter inch Wesley Frazier, who is standing at the center of the Darnell frame. No legitimate height determination has ever matched up the 5-foot 9 Lee Harvey Oswald. And the cultlike advocates offer no legitimate reason as to why no one ever mentioned seeing Oswald out there during the motorcade. Frazier, in fact, denied seeing him, and said he spoke to secretary Sarah Stanton moments after this footage was taken.
Having failed, by film forensics, to certify this blurry figure was Oswald, the cult has resorted to insinuating that James Hosty's belatedly-discovered notes are proof that Oswald "went outside to watch P. Parade." Cherry-picking a piece of evidence, out of context, imbuing it with a meaning it does not ordinarily have- which is their customary method of deception.
Secret Service Inspector Thomas Kelley explicitly asked him the next morning, in the presence of 7 other law enforcement officers, whether he had watched the parade and he said he had not (Warren Report, p. 627). Had Oswald actually been on the landing, during the presidential parade, why on earth didn't he declare that to the press in the hallway when they asked him if he shot the President?
Hosty's extraneous notes actually refer to Oswald being on the landing 3 or 4 minutes after the assassination. This correlates with the notes of Captain Fritz and the solo report of James Bookhout, who each state that Oswald was out on the landing with Bill Shelley. The Fritz notes, Bookhout report, and the Hosty notes are in fact each structured as the same specific 3-part drama.
In Act 1 Oswald is on the 2nd floor getting a Coke; Act 2 he goes to the 1st floor; in Act 3 he goes out to the landing. In Act 1 Fritz and Bookhout mentioned the encounter with the police officer, which Hosty omitted. In Act 3 they mentioned the encounter with Shelley, which Hosty again omitted.
Oswald, alone with these men at his first interrogation, had actually told them that during the shooting he was on the 2nd floor!! This is what Fritz initially stated in his testimony (IV p. 231), until he was directed by attorney Ball to return to the narrative that had been scripted into his police report (Warren Report, p. 600). Oswald was asked the most obvious of questions- his whereabouts during the assassination- yet his interrogators did not relinquish their notes about this to the Warren Commission. The remnants that turned up years later all sync up again with the purchase of a Coca-Cola, and proceed with their 3-part drama.
That drama was initiated- again, according to Fritz's testimony- by the encounter with Officer Baker in the 2nd-floor lunchroom, where Oswald said "he was eating his lunch" (IV p. 213). Which correlates with what Jack Dougherty, Carolyn Arnold, James Hosty, Sarah Stanton and Wesley Frazier all told their respective latter-day interviewers.
We have, all told, no epistemological justification for extracting Hosty's belated notes from the context of the threefold interrogator data set, and fantasizing that those notes alone provide information about Oswald's whereabouts. Not when Fritz's testimony is telling us Oswald was on the 2nd floor at the time of the shooting. Not when Kelley's Secret Service report says he denied watching the parade. To offer these notes as evidence he was on the landing, at the time in question, is first-order mullarkey. Just a clever Sophist lie.
These hypotheses will be ridiculed as mentally defective in another 20 years. Max Planck, the discoverer of the quantum, remarked that progress in physics is often not possible until the previous generation dies off. And it will be the same for future JFK scholars, who will abandon the wishful thinking of the present age. The proponents of PrayerMan and the lunchroom hoax- along with their reputable enablers- will be rightly regarded as sophomoric oafs, inherently incapable of discerning fact from fiction. Progress will eventually prevail, when all these Sophists die their physical deaths. Truth is always invincible, since it rests upon a foundation of God-given reason and Sober Judgment.
A CLEVER SOPHIST LIE - Brian Doyle - 28-09-2023
A good, if uncredited, summation of my research Richard...
The clearly obvious context of James Hosty looking in to Nigel Turner's camera and saying with emphasis "Oswald told us he was alone in the Lunch Room during the assassination" is that Hosty is finally coming clean over what he excluded from his notes...If you observe the Prayer Man group's argument they lie and never mention this more meaningful quote from Hosty...They lie and say that Hosty was limited to "Went Outside To Watch Presidential Parade"...As you correctly cited from my research, the only credible high caliber Peer Reviewed analysis of the 3pm Interrogation is one that recognizes that all three sets of notes all start at the Lunch Room Encounter 90 seconds after the shots...Bart Kamp is lying and he is ignoring the correct interpretation of Hosty's notes, and he is doing it with the assistance of what used to be known as the credible research community...It is once again defiant truth-teller Fritz who reveals that all three sets of notes start at the Lunch Room Encounter when he adds "When Officer Came In" to his notes...Baker came in 90 seconds after the shots, so therefore Fritz has calibrated all three sets of notes as starting at the Lunch Room Encounter 90 seconds after the shots...When you combine this with Hosty admitting Oswald told them he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination then it is irrefutable that Hosty's comment to Nigel Turner refutes Kamp's intentional misinterpretation of "Went Out To Watch Presidential Parade", which comes at a time that all three sets of notes confirm was minutes after the Prayer Man photography...Evidence that was hidden is much more incriminating than any deliberate misinterpretation of innocuous quotes...Since we know from two sources present at the 3pm Interrogation that Oswald said he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination we then conclude that all three sets of notes removed Oswald telling them he was in the Lunch Room and that is why all three start at the Lunch Room Encounter...The lacuna of this missing statement is glaringly obvious in the notes...You will notice that the Prayer Man people never mention Hosty's admission to Nigel Turner because they are perfectly aware of its significance...Hosty had to mean the 2nd Floor Lunch Room because that was where Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald alone...Dougherty was in the Domino Room so Oswald could not be alone there...
Apparently this website has now forsaken its previous opposition to the Education Forum and has joined Bart Kamp and the Education Forum in its opposition to correct evidence...It is terrible that Richard and my posts are being back-stabbed with 1 star reviews that demean the high academic standard practiced on the Forum previously...This site is now attacking in a crude manner the best and brightest solving of the case and destruction of insidious bogus researchers all in one fell swoop in order to enforce a pitiful ethic of favoritism...It has come a long way down under its current moderation...All to enforce the Jim DiEugenio clique at the expense of good research...Shame...
RE: A CLEVER SOPHIST LIE - Richard Gilbride - 29-09-2023
This is actually the 2nd part of a new essay I have ready, which should be available quite soon. When you see it you will better understand why you are uncredited in this excerpt.
A CLEVER SOPHIST LIE - Brian Doyle - 29-09-2023
It is kind of important to cite me...Here is why:
Greg Doudna has pulled a creepy move and stolen my work and posted it on the Education Forum...And to add insult to injury he has done so under the cowardly logic that it is "fair use" while giving copyright rights for my interview and discovery to Gilbride because he published it in his book...So not only has Doudna robbed me but he has also assigned the rights for my discovery to someone else...To further the insult he then misquotes my research out of context and tries to make the case that my discovery proves Prayer Man was Oswald...
Sandy Larsen was the leader of an Education Forum action against David Von Pein when David was taking quotes from Education Forum posts and posting them on his website...Larsen spoke in haughty righteous moral terms that Von Pein had violated what Larsen thought were high moral principles and therefore deserved sequestration...Larsen led the charge against Von Pein on the Education Forum and the servile James Gordon followed-through by banning Von Pein...However when Doudna turns around and does the same thing - and therefore violates the exact same principles the crooks on the Education Forum pretended to take moral exception to - against me it is OK and I can be similarly raped and pillaged no problem with no protest...It is OK to strip the coins and jewels from my pockets before sending me to the gas chamber and say you are doing it under "fair use"...Never mind that I cannot defend the bastardization and deliberate misinterpretation of my own work that Doudna now assigns credit to someone else for...You have to remember - those Education Forum people operate by high principles...
In a mish mash of evidence revision, misquotes, and evidence wishing Doudna contorts the real meaning of my interview in to support of the Prayer Man theory...This is beyond the pale and an insult to the intelligence of any self-respecting intelligent researcher...James Gordon has made sure this insanity is protected under his estimation of how the site should conduct itself and the site members make no protest to this assault on the forum's integrity...After using false rules violation accusations to remove me from the site the site then gives me no opportunity to contest this outright public molesting of my work...Even though the forum banned Von Pein for doing much less, and did so under sanctimonious protest, I am not given the "fair use" opportunity to defend my own very important discovery as it is raped in front of me with Gordon's full approval...You see under Gordon the definition of "fair use" means that people are allowed to steal my work, misattribute its rights to someone else, and then twist its meaning to the exact opposite of what it really discovered, all while the moderation and management stands by silent...And those idiots are saying I failed THEIR standards...
Doudna achieves this by several outright strategic lies - which is typical of the Prayer Man gang...Carolyn Arnold did not say the things Doudna dishonestly inserts...Arnold said one thing and one thing only...She said that she told FBI 12:25 in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and FBI changed it to 12:15 in the Lobby...The second strategic lie Doudna asserts is having Stanton encounter Oswald by the front stairs...Stanton did not encounter Oswald by the front stairs...Stanton saw Oswald through the same Vestibule window Baker did when she was leaving the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...Doudna forgets to include the part of my research where Reid giving progress reports for the motorcade's progress to the ladies in the Lunch Room was part of a CIA operation to hide Oswald in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...Doudna dishonestly ignores that Oswald was obviously hiding on the NW 2nd Floor staircase landing waiting for Mrs Reid to clear the ladies out...Doudna also dishonestly ignores Stanton hearing Oswald say he intended to go back in to the "Break Room"...That important witnessing wasn't in the interview Doudna quoted and Gilbride didn't quite fully translate...I am the source of that interview and I am being criminally denied access to my own work...Wanda told me that Sarah heard Oswald say he was not going down to watch the motorcade but was going back in to the "Break Room" instead...Doudna is aware of that but he deliberately omits it by quoting Gilbride in order to take advantage of Gilbride falling short of everything I discovered...Doudna also fails to convey that FBI lied and erased Stanton's witnessing like it did with many other dangerous witnesses...So, the Education Forum is allowing Doudna to violate everything it cited when it punished Von Pein...The forum is intentionally allowing the worst of the moral violations it protested against with Von Pein when it allows my very important discovery to be intentionally misconstrued by Doudna...That "Break Room" was very obviously the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and it solves the Conspiracy in the Depository...The Education Forum has allowed Doudna to disfigure and pervert my research by changing it in to that abominable Prayer Man crap...It is literally enforcing a Cinque standard over the solving of the case all so it can serve that fool Gordon...That son of a bitch DiEugenio could bail me out and correct this with some simple support but Jim is a dark bastard who operates by destroying all competition...It is the same compulsion that has resulted in his obese body...He just can't turn it off...The research community is a gang of dirty crooks...
The research community will damn its soul with this and never recover its credibility...