Reply to Bart Kamp at Ciphered Past

[Richard Gilbride]

Bart Kamp was interviewed on February 21st by Tim Gardner and Eli Frame on their youtube channel Ciphered Past. I had the opportunity to watch it this morning, and made this reply. Some things never change:

Bart Kamp is the JFK research community's Nigel Tufnel, the brain-damaged Spinal Tap guitarist whose amplifiers all "go to 11." His knuckleheaded theses have been debunked and he remains unable to process any analysis or information that contradicts his Sophistic conclusions.

The viewer is invited to my website jfkinsidejob.com. My essay Death of the Lunchroom Hoax completely dismantles Kamp's sophomoric hypothesis. And the reader may realize for himself that the ambiguity surrounding the 2nd-floor lunchroom reportage was due to the human tendency to make mistakes with second-hand information. And my essay Furthering the Lunchroom Evidence makes it plain as day that Officer Baker recognized Oswald (from the 2nd-floor encounter) while writing up his DPD affidavit at police headquarters.

Kamp avoids any discussion of facts that refute his thesis, especially Wesley Frazier's account of "an apple and half-eaten cheese sandwich" seen on one of the lunchroom tables by superintendent Roy Truly. Instead, he preys upon the gullibility of unsuspecting listeners to justify his own misbegotten scholarship.

His PrayerMan nonsense has been 100% refuted by the equally painstaking research of Brian Doyle. Any legitimate height analysis shows the blurry figure is 5'3"- 5'4", 6 inches too short to be Oswald. The clearest photo-enhancement shows a fat woman in a dress with a scooped neckline. This was secretary Sarah Stanton, according to Wesley Frazier. (That photo-enlargement, by the way, was sent to House Representative Anna Paulina Luna last week.)

And Kamp cherry-picks James Hosty's notes out of context and imbues them with a meaning they don't ordinarily have. This Sophistic sleight-of-hand is explained in the last section of my essay Elevators Tell No Lies.

A digitized 1st-generation copy of Jimmy Darnell's film has been available for viewing several years at the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas. Yet not a single viewer has ever remarked on any distinctive resemblance of PrayerMan to Lee Harvey Oswald.

Kamp's logical fallacy - appealing for the original Darnell film from NBC - is akin to looking for a needle where there isn't even a haystack. He used this fallacious logic earlier with the deleted Dictabelt excerpt of Roy Truly's testimony. Yes, it was deleted during his characterization of employee Jack Dougherty, but no, that deletion didn't have the first thing to do with PrayerMan.

As I emphasized to Representative Luna, you don't need any more documents declassified in order to prove a high-level conspiracy. Firstly, the TSBD Company only moved into an abandoned warehouse overlooking Dealey Plaza the winter before the assassination. And, within 10 minutes of the assassination, there were two episodes involving the building's elevators which were suppressed.

[Brian Doyle]

I tend to think Baker was already drafted in to the cover-up by the time he gave his 1st day affidavit...The reason why Baker waffled on Oswald being in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room is because both Truly & Baker both saw Oswald's lunch on the table and Coca Cola in his hand and realized right away that he had been in there the whole time...That is why Truly said, once he cleared Oswald, that Baker turned without saying anything and ran up the stairs...By the time of the 1st day affidavit this information was fatal to the conspiracy so it was erased...At that time it was erased to the point of not even mentioning the Lunch Room and just vaguely referencing "3rd or 4th Floor"...A bizarre possibility exists that Truly & Baker ran in to Armstrong's Lee in the White T-shirt on the 3rd Floor staircase landing and that is why Baker gave that location...

Because of Bart Kamp and all his sycophantic fans (including Ciphered Past) Frazier's bombshell admission that an un-named Depository employee told him a partly-eaten cheese sandwich and apple were seen on the 2nd Floor Lunch Room table after the assassination has been disappeared from Assassination discussion websites...That is what the Prayer Man clique does...They erase critical new evidence that helps solve the case in order to promote an already-disproven theory...If you go to their websites they are saying Lovelady's bag lunch and Dr Pepper bottle seen in the portal are Oswald's while they completely ignore this important new evidence told of by Frazier on a radio show 5 years ago...Kamp tells Tim Gardner in Ciphered Past that Lovelady's bag lunch in the column notch by Prayer Man is Oswald's lunch...They ignore the fact Lovelady testified that he brought his lunch out to the front steps when he saw Sarah Stanton and Shelley out there...

Ten years ago the Davidson enhancement showing Stanton's chubby face on Prayer Man in Wiegman was proof enough that Prayer Man was Stanton...This obvious evidence was denied by people who have captured the Assassination internet and go by favorites...Davidson showed Stanton holding her purse with two hands and looking down in to it...Stanton's grand daughter even sent me a photo of the purse...This was compounded by the fact that Altgens 6 shows all the people to Frazier's left and Stanton isn't there...Frazier said he was standing and staring at Stanton at the exact moment of the Darnell Film...One look at the Darnell Film shows Frazier standing and staring at Prayer Man...There is just no doubt about it however we have certain individuals who see themselves as being above facts and evidence...The final proof was the clear 1st generation copy of Darnell possessed by the 6th Floor Museum...It settled the issue once and for all by showing Sarah Stanton's woman's dress neckline on Prayer Man...This wasn't good enough for the Prayer Man liars however and they claimed the neckline was a CIA forgery...Those approaching Luna are not asking her to subpoena the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation clear copy...They don't want to admit what it shows...

More importantly, in my search for Prayer Man's identity I accidentally stumbled upon a new witness to Oswald's whereabouts...Wanda Daniel's admission that Sarah told her she saw Oswald alone outside the 2nd Floor Lunch Room on the staircase landing is probably the most important evidence discovery of our generation...I have never seen Jim DiEugenio mention this discovery once or show any interest in it...It is almost like it never existed...The research community is more interested in maintaining their clique than recognizing the most important discovery of our generation...And the shibboleth by which membership is achieved is Prayer Man and buddying with Bart Kamp...This evidence means Mrs Reid was CIA and was clearing the Lunch Room out for Oswald, who was waiting out on the staircase landing...I was destroyed as a researcher, and a final solving of the conspiracy was ignored, all so the clique could promote a Greg Parker-originating hoax...Instead Jim D is helping destroy both Oliver Stone's and the research community's credibility by bringing a nut theory to Congress...

The context of Hosty's Notes is that Hosty told Nigel Turner that Oswald told them he was alone in the Lunch Room during the assassination...This wasn't in Hosty's Notes because it was Oswald's true location in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...The context of Hosty telling Nigel Turner that was Hosty finally admitting the truth and getting the guilt off his shoulders...When I pointed this out to Tim Gardner and told him he should have mentioned it to Kamp Gardner put me on block...The Oswald Sarah Stanton saw alone out on the 2nd Floor staircase landing was the same Oswald Hosty admitted was alone in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...It is also the same Oswald Carolyn Arnold saw alone in that same Lunch Room...

It is obvious to any credible researcher that the original Darnell Film will only show the female dress neckline seen in the 6th Floor Museum copy in even clearer detail...And the original Wiegman Film will only show Stanton's face in clearer detail...The crime and tragedy of all this is the conspiracy evidence has been advanced by Richard and myself more than it ever has in research history however it is being ignored and denied by self-indulgent, advantage-taking researchers all so they can advance that Prayer Man nonsense and the illegitimate hierarchy it enforces... 

As far as I know I was the only person to speak to Carol Reed...She told me important things about there being no power in the passenger elevator...There are people out there calling themselves credible researchers...However credible researchers don't ignore things like this...