https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y1NOoNboc8&t=1s



This video is important in relation to the acquisition of the original Wiegman and Darnell films that has happened lately...


After 2:30 Kamp talks about the recent locating of the Prayer Man films...He states that NBC still has the films in New York and that they are not at the National Audio Visual Conservation Center where Schnapf recently located them...(Edit: I called The Library Of Congress and they confirmed the films were not sent to the NAVCC in Culpepper...The agent was helpful and said they are probably still in the NBC Long Island City Archive)...Kamp was correct on that point...

43:23 -   Kamp lies and says the record showed Oswald mentioned being out front on the steps twice...Any careful analysis of these claims show that it is an intentional misinterpretation by Kamp of alleged notes that were written afterwards by the investigators in order to cover-up what Oswald really told them...

44:10 -  Host Eli Frame asks Kamp where the claim that Oswald was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room came from...Frame is asking this in response to my postings asking the same thing...Kamp intercepts this question, because he knows it is trouble, and pronounces that the record shows Oswald got a soda for his lunch that he then ate out on the front steps as Prayer Man...Kamp is not telling Frame the truth here...The claim for Oswald being in the Lunch Room during the shots comes from Captain Fritz who was very clear to the Commission that Oswald told them he was eating a cheese sandwich and apple in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...Fritz even clarified that Oswald confirmed it by saying that, although he usually worked on the 1st Floor, he was on the 2nd Floor that day...Hosty also told Nigel Turner that Oswald told them he was eating lunch alone in the Lunch Room during the assassination...Oswald told Sarah Stanton he was going back in to the Break Room when she met him on the 2nd Floor staircase landing...Dougherty told Gil Toff Oswald was up eating lunch in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...And Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald eating his lunch alone in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room at 12:25...Kamp lies about this and gives the FBI version...This is why Kamp takes control of the question from Frame because he is aware of the weight of all this true evidence he omits...Obsequious Frame lets Kamp get away with it...

44:54 - Gardner asks Kamp how long Oswald was out there on the front steps...Kamp lies and misquotes the Biffle, Truly, and Campbell sightings of Oswald that were minutes after the shots and came from contrived records that were corrupted in order to hide Oswald's real movements...

47:40 -  Eli Frame brings up Sarah Stanton...The reason he is doing this is because I had a phone conversation with Morley explaining to him that Prayer Man was proven to be Sarah Stanton years ago...Kamp responds "Sarah Stanton was 300 pounds" - which gets a laugh from Gardner and Frame...What Kamp doesn't tell them is Denis Morissette found Stanton in the Owens Film standing close to the Prayer Man position...The answer to Frame is that Sarah Stanton is as she appears in the Owens film...Chris Davidson determined that Stanton in Owens matched Prayer Man's height in Darnell...You can even see the same dress neckline on Stanton in Owens as in Darnell...Kamp then mocks that Stanton had blonde hair...He does this because he is trying to suggest that Prayer Man had dark hair so it couldn't be Stanton...This is simply answered by asking Kamp to point out Stanton on the steps, since her blonde hair should be easy to find...If you look at the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell you can see Stanton's white hair on Prayer Man...

Kamp continues to lie by saying Frazier said Stanton was to his left over by Pauline Sanders...What Kamp is deliberately not telling you is when Frazier spoke specifically about the time period in the Darnell Film he made clear that he was facing and staring at Sarah Stanton...The full four second Darnell clip shows Frazier and Prayer Man looking at each other...They are the only two people who never move in the clip and they are seen at the exact time that Frazier said he and Stanton stared at each other in shock...Frazier said Karen Westbrook had just gotten to the steps when this happened and we can see Karen Westbrook right there at the steps in Darnell...Lovelady placed Stanton in the Prayer Man spot AT THE TIME OF THE WIEGMAN CLIP in his Sworn Statement...He said Stanton was to the far right of the entranceway...And Stanton herself said she couldn't see the limousine at the time of the shots...We can see in Altgens that the west wall of the portal blocks Prayer Man's view of the motorcade...Kamp omits all this because he knows it refutes his lies...Ciphered Past lets him get away with it and doesn't point any of this out to Kamp or make him answer for it...Anyone can look at Altgens and see Stanton is not to Frazier's left...

49:28 -  Kamp is aware of the source of his refutation so at this minute mark Kamp says:  "This comes from one troll named Brian Doyle who thinks that he's got evidence (Gardner nods in strong agreement)...No one has seen this evidence...It doesn't exist...All you have to do is understand that Sarah Stanton was very short, very heavy - a short heavy-set lady...That's how Buell Frazier described her...And he also said where she stood...The guy who did this (Brian Doyle) cuts out all evidence to the contrary and common sense and is just stuck in an absolutely delusional belief and I can't believe that some serious people actually pick up on this without checking it...At least check it! instead of just chinese whispering about...Absolute rubbish!...Total garbage...It's not worth time spending on in all honesty...Just go to the Sarah Stanton page (at PrayerMan.com) and you'll just see it right there and then and say that's nothing...He says the hemline of the shirt is circular...We're talking about how many generations of film and on top of that how big is the resolution and what is the actual area we are talking about - that tiny area...But no he sees it...This is the problem with Conspiracy Theories etc...The Conspiracy Theorists are 10 times worse"...

Counter to the abject falsehood Kamp enters above you can see just a small example of the serious evidence for Prayer Man being Stanton just in this thread alone...Kamp ignores this evidence, pretends it doesn't exist, blocks and bans discussion of it, and then lies about me never showing any evidence...This is a strong-armed dishonest pronouncement approach that podcast hosts and JFK websites have been letting Kamp get away with for 10 years...It is important to note that Kamp only does interviews with favoring hosts who avoid asking him the hard questions and where there is no opposing viewpoint...If I was allowed to defend my work I would make Kamp answer the evidence I posted here that he dishonestly avoided...When defaming and slandering me Kamp forgets to mention that Chris Davidson brought out Sarah Stanton's face on Prayer Man in Wiegman in 2016...Recently the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell showed Stanton's round female dress neckline on Prayer Man...Contrary to the lie Kamp tells that it is distorted from too much copying, just the opposite is true...It is sharp because it is a 1st generation copy that was made film to film by Dr Jones...Kamp gives a rather incoherent answer to that woman's neckline in this video...Any competent analysis of that dress neckline would show it was Stanton's, as seen in Owens, and settles the issue...If you look at Tim and Eli's expressions they look like people that have seen evidence contrary to what Kamp is saying and know Kamp is full of it...It is why my name was mentioned in the first place...I would be glad to debate Kamp but he'll never do it because he knows he'll have to answer what I am speaking of here...Yes, Stanton was very short...She was the exact same 5 foot 4 you see as Prayer Man's height in the films...The Prayer Man theory exists in direct proportion to those who refuted it not being allowed to defend their evidence...

56:00 - Kamp denies Armstrong's important evidence of two Oswald's at the Depository...This should alert credible researchers to Kamp's credibility and agenda...This and the Lunch Room Encounter Hoax are Greg Parker School Of Research garbage...Kamp continues by denying Oswald being at Beckley...And Kamp then denies the two Oswald's at the Texas Theater...The full Lone Nutter script...Kamp says the guy at the New Orleans Trade Mart at the flyer hand-out wasn't Shelley...

1:23:25 -  Kamp asks how Oswald could depart the Depository after 3 minutes when his name was on top of the sanctioned list?...This incoherent submission by Kamp fails to register that CIA Shelley helped Harvey out the rear Loading Dock after he was stopped by a cop at the front door...Frazier said it was 5 to 10 minutes after the shots...Craig and Helen Forrest then saw Lee exit the rear west of the Depository at 10 minutes after the shots...Kamp stupidly fails to reflect that Oswald was on assignment to a safe house meeting at the Texas Theater...

1:26:50 -  Kamp is so brainwashed by the Prayer Man theory that he fails to register that Oswald got his soda before lunch, had it during lunch in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room, and also had it after lunch during the Lunch Room Encounter...Kamp and his podcast aids have seriously marred JFK research by failing to realize the true interpretation of what Kamp cites...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuHl4DXBnnk&t=26s



   If the research world wasn't enough of a train wreck already Robert Groden was interviewed by Jess Connell above concerning Jefferson Morley's revelation of Groden having the original Wiegman Film...Unfortunately it becomes evident that neither Groden or Connell have any idea of what the Prayer Man theory is about...It is obvious from watching the video that both Groden and Connell think the Prayer Man theory is the Doorway Man Billy Lovelady theory so the video is basically a 45 minute waste of time...I contacted Jess Connell and told her the mistake she made and she admitted she had erred and would seek to learn about the Prayer Man theory...I would like to note that Connell did not put me on block or ban me from her comments section or group up and rally against me with childish shunning...Instead, like a credible researcher, she listened to me and admitted her mistake...We are now at the same place we could have been 8 years ago if the research community had cooperated instead of censoring...

I contacted Morley and told him about it...  

The only good thing is Groden confirmed the location of the film at the Long Island Archive...That is the same location Gilbride and I located the film at in 2018 through the UCLA Film School...Groden also confirmed that the last time it was located there was in the 1970's just like Gilbride and I confirmed...What the present research community does is censor and ignore the people with the evidence they are looking for and then pretend not to notice that they are uncredibly denying themselves the very information they are seeking...

Bart Kamp was interviewed on February 21st by Tim Gardner and Eli Frame on their youtube channel Ciphered Past. I had the opportunity to watch it this morning, and made this reply. Some things never change:

Bart Kamp is the JFK research community's Nigel Tufnel, the brain-damaged Spinal Tap guitarist whose amplifiers all "go to 11." His knuckleheaded theses have been debunked and he remains unable to process any analysis or information that contradicts his Sophistic conclusions.

The viewer is invited to my website jfkinsidejob.com. My essay Death of the Lunchroom Hoax completely dismantles Kamp's sophomoric hypothesis. And the reader may realize for himself that the ambiguity surrounding the 2nd-floor lunchroom reportage was due to the human tendency to make mistakes with second-hand information. And my essay Furthering the Lunchroom Evidence makes it plain as day that Officer Baker recognized Oswald (from the 2nd-floor encounter) while writing up his DPD affidavit at police headquarters.

Kamp avoids any discussion of facts that refute his thesis, especially Wesley Frazier's account of "an apple and half-eaten cheese sandwich" seen on one of the lunchroom tables by superintendent Roy Truly. Instead, he preys upon the gullibility of unsuspecting listeners to justify his own misbegotten scholarship.

His PrayerMan nonsense has been 100% refuted by the equally painstaking research of Brian Doyle. Any legitimate height analysis shows the blurry figure is 5'3"- 5'4", 6 inches too short to be Oswald. The clearest photo-enhancement shows a fat woman in a dress with a scooped neckline. This was secretary Sarah Stanton, according to Wesley Frazier. (That photo-enlargement, by the way, was sent to House Representative Anna Paulina Luna last week.)

And Kamp cherry-picks James Hosty's notes out of context and imbues them with a meaning they don't ordinarily have. This Sophistic sleight-of-hand is explained in the last section of my essay Elevators Tell No Lies.

A digitized 1st-generation copy of Jimmy Darnell's film has been available for viewing several years at the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas. Yet not a single viewer has ever remarked on any distinctive resemblance of PrayerMan to Lee Harvey Oswald.

Kamp's logical fallacy - appealing for the original Darnell film from NBC - is akin to looking for a needle where there isn't even a haystack. He used this fallacious logic earlier with the deleted Dictabelt excerpt of Roy Truly's testimony. Yes, it was deleted during his characterization of employee Jack Dougherty, but no, that deletion didn't have the first thing to do with PrayerMan.

As I emphasized to Representative Luna, you don't need any more documents declassified in order to prove a high-level conspiracy. Firstly, the TSBD Company only moved into an abandoned warehouse overlooking Dealey Plaza the winter before the assassination. And, within 10 minutes of the assassination, there were two episodes involving the building's elevators which were suppressed.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwftr...Tpj55aNejk

Excellent film by James Corbett of the Corbett Report.  The overall theme is mass brainwashing.

Like a couple of wiseguys who approach the wife of the guy they just whacked expressing their sincerest condolences, Netanyahu and Trump just a few hours after the murder, call out the liberal anti-Semites who created the environment that created the lone gunman to kill this brave man. Other facts are of course coming out.  From the Greyzone:

Quote:A Trump insider and longtime friend of Charlie Kirk tells The Grayzone how the assassinated conservative leader’s turning point on Israeli influence provoked a private backlash from Netanyahu’s allies that left him angry and afraid.

The source said anxiety spread within the Trump administration after an apparent Israeli spying operation was uncovered.

Charlie Kirk rejected an offer earlier this year from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to arrange a massive new infusion of Zionist money into his Turning Point USA (TPUSA) organization, America’s largest conservative youth association, according to a longtime friend of the slain commentator speaking on the condition of anonymity. The source told The Grayzone that the late pro-Trump influencer believed Netanyahu was trying to cow him into silence as he began to publicly question Israel’s overwhelming influence in Washington and demanded more space to criticize it. 

In the weeks leading up to his September 10 assassination, Kirk had come to loathe the Israeli leader, regarding him as a “bully,” the source said. Kirk was disgusted by what he witnessed inside the Trump administration, where Netanyahu sought to personally dictate the president’s personnel decisions, and weaponized Israeli assets like billionaire donor Miriam Adelson to keep the White House firmly under its thumb.

According to Kirk’s friend, who also enjoyed access to President Donald Trump and his inner circle, Kirk strongly warned Trump last June against bombing Iran on Israel’s behalf. “Charlie was the only person who did that,” they said, recalling how Trump “barked at him” in response and angrily shut down the conversation. The source believes the incident confirmed in Kirk’s mind that the president of the United States had fallen under the control of a malign foreign power, and was leading his own country into a series of disastrous conflicts.

By the following month, Kirk had become the target of a sustained private campaign of intimidation and free-floating fury by wealthy and powerful allies of Netanyahu – figures he described in an interview as Jewish “leaders” and “stakeholders.” 
“He was afraid of them,” the source emphasized.  

At TPUSA, the rift with Israel widens

Kirk was 18 years old when he launched TPUSA in 2012. From its inception, his career was propelled by Zionist donors, who showered his young organization with money through neoconservative outfits like the David Horowitz Freedom Center. He repaid his wealthy backers over the years by unleashing a relentless firehose of anti-Palestinian and Islamophobic diatribes, accepting propaganda trips to Israel, and sternly shutting down nationalist forces challenging his support for Israel during TPUSA events. In the Trump era, few American gentiles had proved more valuable to the self-proclaimed Jewish state than Charlie Kirk.

But as Israel’s genocidal assault on the besieged Gaza Strip drove an unprecedented backlash within grassroots right-wing circles, where only 24% of younger Republicans now sympathize with Israel over the Palestinians, Kirk began to shift. At times, he toed the Israeli line, spreading disinformation about babies beheaded by Hamas on October 7, and denying the famine imposed on the population of Gaza. Yet he simultaneously ceded to his base, wondering aloud if Jeffrey Epstein was an Israeli intelligence asset, questioning whether the Israeli government allowed the October 7 attacks to proceed in order to advance long-term political goals, and parroting narratives familiar to his most vociferous critic on the right, streamer Nick Fuentes. 

This July, at his TPUSA Student Action Summit, Kirk provided a forum for the right-wing grassroots to vent its fury about Israel’s political hammerlock on the Trump administration. There, speakers from former Fox News stalwarts Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly, to the anti-Zionist Jewish comedian Dave Smith, denounced Israel’s blood-soaked assault on the besieged Gaza Strip, branded Jeffrey Epstein as an Israeli intelligence asset, and openly taunted Zionist billionaires like Bill Ackman for “getting away with scams” despite having “no actual skills.”

Following the confab, Kirk was bombarded with infuriated text messages and phone calls from Netanyahu’s wealthy allies in the US, including many who had funded TPUSA. According to his longtime friend, the Zionist donors treated Kirk with outright contempt, essentially ordering him to fall back into line. 

“He was being told what you’re not allowed to do, and it was driving him crazy,” Kirk’s friend recalled. The conservative youth leader was not only alienated by the hostile nature of the interactions, but “frightened” by the backlash.

The friend’s account dovetails with those of multiple right-wing commentators with access to Kirk.

“I think, in the end, Charlie was going through a spiritual transformation,” Candace Owens, a conservative influencer who shifted decisively against Israel after October 7, reflected after her friend’s killing. “I know it, he was going through a lot. There was a lot of pressure, and it’s hard for me to watch the people who were pressuring him just say the things that they’re saying.”

She continued: “They wanted him to lose everything for changing or even slightly modifying an opinion. It’s very hurtful to me.” 
Kirk appeared visibly outraged during an August 6 interview with conservative host Megyn Kelly, as he discussed the menacing messages he was receiving from pro-Israel bigwigs. 

“It’s all of the sudden: ‘oh, Charlie: he’s no longer with us.’ Wait a second—what does ‘with us’ mean, exactly? I’m an American, okay? I represent this country,” he explained, before addressing the powerful Zionist interests harassing him.

“The more that you guys privately and publicly call our character into question—which is not isolated, it would be one thing if it were just one text, or two texts; it is dozens of texts—then we start to say, ‘whoa, hold the boat here,’” Kirk continued. “To be fair, some really good Jewish friends say, ‘that’s not all of us’… But these are leaders here. These are stakeholders.”

He went on to complain to Kelly, “I have less ability… to criticize the Israeli government than actual Israelis do. And that’s really, really weird.”

In one of his final interviews, conducted with Israel’s premier influencer in the United States, Ben Shapiro, Kirk once again tried to raise the issue of censorship of Israel critics. 

“A friend said to me, interestingly: ‘Charlie, okay, we’ve pushed back against the media on COVID, on lockdowns, on Ukraine, on the border,’” Kirk told Shapiro on September 9. “Maybe we should also ask the question: is the media totally presenting the truth when it comes to Israel? Just a question!” 

According to Kirk’s longtime friend, Kirk’s resentment of Netanyahu and the Israel lobby was spreading within Trump’s inner circle. In fact, they said, the president himself was terrified of Netanyahu’s wrath, and feared the consequences of defying him. 
During the past year, the Trump insider was told by contacts in the White House that the Secret Service had caught Israeli government personnel placing electronic devices on its emergency response vehicles on two separate occasions.

While The Grayzone was unable to confirm the story with the Secret Service or White House, such an incident would not have been unprecedented. Indeed, according to a report in Politico citing three former senior US officials, a cellphone spying device was placed by Israeli agents “near the White House and other sensitive locations around Washington” toward the end of Trump’s first term in 2019. 

Former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson recounted a similar incident in his memoir, writing that his security team found a listening device in his bathroom soon after Netanyahu used his personal toilet.

The Israel-did-it theory

Kirk was killed this September 10 with a single shot fired by a sniper apparently positioned on a rooftop 200 meters away. He was shot while seated before a crowd of thousands at Utah State University in Orem, Utah on the first leg of his American Comeback Tour. The scene of Kirk collapsing from the impact of a gunshot to his neck just as he began answering a question about transgender mass shooters was perhaps the most shockingly vivid spectacle of assassination – and certainly the most viral – in human history. 

There is currently no evidence of an Israeli government role in Kirk’s assassination. However, that has not stopped thousands of social media users from speculating that the pro-Trump operative’s shifting views on the issue contributed in some way to his death. By the time of publication, over 100,000 Twitter/X users have liked a September 11 post by libertarian influencer Ian Carroll declaring about Kirk, “He was their friend. He basically dedicated his life to them. And they murdered him in front of his family. Israel just shot themselves.” 

Many advancing the unsubstantiated theory have pointed to a Twitter/X post by Harrison Smith, a personality at the pro-Trump Infowars network, stating on August 13 – almost a month before Kirk’s assassination – that he was told by “someone close to Charlie Kirk that Kirk thinks Israel will kill him if he turns against Israel.”

The frenzied speculation has set off shockwaves in Tel Aviv, where Netanyahu was compelled to explicitly deny that his government killed Kirk during a September 11 interview with NewsMax.  

Netanyahu and his allies bury the Kirk crisis as “big tent” collapses

That appearance was just one of several interviews and statements the Prime Minister dedicated to Kirk in the wake of his killing in an effort to frame the late conservative leader’s legacy in a uniformly pro-Israel light. The major public relations push has occurred while Netanyahu wages a military campaign on seven fronts, punctuated by a regional assassination spree that most recently reached into the heart of Qatar, a US ally.

Netanyahu first tweeted prayers for Kirk at 3:02 PM in the afternoon on September 10, minutes after news of the shooting broke. He has since authored three additional posts about Kirk, even breaking away from the Israeli war cabinet to spend the afternoon of September 11 memorializing the conservative leader on Fox News.

During that interview, Netanyahu did his best to insinuate that Israel’s enemies were responsible for murdering Kirk, despite the fact no suspect was named or in custody at the time:

“The radical Islamists and their union with the ultra-progressives—they often speak about ‘human rights,’ they speak about ‘free speech’—but they use violence to try to take down their enemies,” the Prime Minister told Harris Faulkner. 
In a September 10 Twitter/X post eulogizing the conservative leader, the Israeli Prime Minister described a recent phone conversation with Kirk.

“I spoke to him only two weeks ago and invited him to Israel,” Netanyahu declared. “Sadly, that visit will not take place.”

Left unmentioned was whether Kirk declined the invitation—just as he did with the Prime Minister’s offer to reload TPUSA’s coffers with donations from his coterie of wealthy American Jewish cutouts. 

At the time of publication, a 22-year-old resident of Utah has been taken into custody after supposedly confessing to killing Kirk. The public may soon learn the true motives of the alleged assassin. Perhaps they will fuel the narrative which Trump and his allies advanced in the immediate wake of the shooting – that a leftist radical was responsible, and that a wave of draconian repression must follow. 

But after the shooter’s initial escape and a series of federal law enforcement mishaps, a large sector of Americans will likely never believe the official story. Nor will they ever know where Kirk’s turning point on Israel would have taken the conservative movement.

Four days before the assassination, frustration among pro-Israel commentators bubbled over in public during an Fox News interview in which Ben Shapiro launched a chilling attack on Kirk without naming him.

“The problem with a ‘big tent’ is that you may end up with many clowns inside,” Shapiro told Fox host and fellow Zionist gatekeeper Mark Levin in an apparent critique of TPUSA.

“Just because you’re saying somebody votes Republican—that doesn’t mean that they ought to be the preacher at the front of the church, they’re not the person that ought to be leading the movement, if they are spending all day criticizing the President of the United States as ‘covering up a Mossad rape ring’ or ‘being a tool of the Israelis for hitting an Iranian nuclear facility.’”
When Kirk took his usual place at the “front of the church” four days later, he was cut down by a sniper’s bullet.

Within 24 hours of Kirk’s death, Shapiro announced that he would be launching his own campus speaking tour, vowing: “We’re gonna pick up that blood stained microphone where Charlie left it.”

Gerald Posner has reported the death of Ruth Paine 3 days short of her 93rd birthday...

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