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  NY Times And The Nashville Bomber
Posted by: Brian Doyle - 9 hours ago - Forum: Propaganda - No Replies

I met an interesting person through my Hendrix research named Gary Serkin of Nashville...Gary was an electric guitarist who was connected to the Hendrix world through his playing with Billy Cox and Mitch Mitchell...I had never met a jewish person with a thick southern drawl...I spoke to Gary during the epidemic and he told me he was staying inside and was down to a can of string beans as his daily nutrition...About 3 weeks later I was shocked to hear Gary had died...I Facebooked his daughter and told her to check if he died from malnutrition...

During that phone call 3 weeks before his death Gary told me he was in regular contact with a guy named Tony who was big on government conspiracies...Gary told me Tony had worked at a telecom corporation and was skilled at computer technology...When the Nashville bombing occurred that conversation came back to me and I realized the bomber was the same guy...I thought to myself that if anyone was going to become a regular phone contact with me that he would need to disclose that he was friends with suicide bombers...As with Kennedy research, Hendrix conspiracy people can vary as to how far they will go and what they believe...You have to watch yourself in this outside territory...

Google: "NY Times Nashville Bomber Anthony Warner Conspiracy Theorist" to see how the New York Times tries to paint Kennedy Assassination researchers as nutty suicide bombers...The worst part of all this is Warner said 9-11 was the main thing that sent him down that path...The article shows the Times insulting our intelligence and courting pure evil...

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  Oswald and the Order Forms
Posted by: Gil Jesus - 15-12-2024, 01:32 PM - Forum: JFK Assassination - Replies (4)

Oswald and the Order Forms
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"In mid-March, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald ordered a .38 caliber Smith & Wesson revolver from Seaport Traders, Inc., using a coupon clipped from an unidentified magazine." -- Dale Myers

The handgun wasn't ordered in "mid-March", the evidence indicates that it was ordered before March 13th
We know that because the Warren Commission's Michaelis Exhibit 2 shows that the date on the Seaport Traders invoice for the handgun as 3/13/63.
While most people assume Oswald ordered the handgun at the same time he allegedly ordered the rifle ( March 12th ), the Commission provided no evidence of that.

In fact, Oswald's worksheet of March 12th, showed that all of Oswald's time at work that day was accounted for.
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Not only did the Commission fail to show that Oswald had the opportunity to order the weapons, it failed to explain why Oswald used two different methods to pay for the weapons.

Two different "M.O."s for payment
He allegedly purchased a money order to pay for the rifle in full, but sent a $10 cash deposit for the handgun with the remainder to be paid C.O.D., even though the C.O.D. order required a 50% deposit.
If he were at the post office buying a money order for the rifle, why didn't he buy one for the handgun as well ? Why would he send cash ( which would have been easily stolen ) through the mail ?

Strangely, the FBI never sought the shipping records of REA Express, the company through which the handgun had been shipped. Instead, it chose to use the Seaport Traders' copies of those records, which had much less information on them.
One of the pieces of information that REA could have supplied would have been to reveal the identity of the person actually received the weapon, paid the $19.95 remainder due to Seaport Traders and the shipping and COD ( $1.27 ) charges.
But failing to reveal the identity of the person who received the weapon from REA Express wasn't the only problem with the purchase of this weapon.
There is a problem with Oswald's access to the magazine.

An access problem
For Oswald to have ordered the handgun from a magazine, he would have had to order it from a magazine that was on the newsstands no later than March 12th.
In his blog, Solving the Mystery of Oswald's Seaport Trader Order, Oswald-killed-Tippit author Dale Myers concludes that the order blank used for the ordering of the handgun came from the April, 1963 edition of True Adventures magazine.
"The version with the cartoon on the reverse side of the coupon (as was the case in the coupon Oswald used) was printed in the April 1963 issue (Vol.32, No.3) of True Adventures." -- Dale Myers

From my own experience with magazines in the 1960s and 70s, I know that magazines didn't hit the newsstands until the 15th of the month prior to the month on the cover. If you had a subscription, the publisher would mail your copy to your home and you would receive it by the 12th.
If the order blank in evidence was from an April monthly magazine, it would not have been on the newsstand until March 15th, 3 days after the official record claims Oswald "ordered" the handgun.
So how does Oswald ( or anyone else ) order a handgun from an ad in a magazine that isn't going to be on the newsstand for another 3 days ?

This detail Myers fails to tell his readers. Instead he intermingles March 12th with the term, "mid-March". He contends that Oswald mailed the order in "mid-March".
"...we now know that the coupon he used came from an issue that had only become available to him at about the time he mailed the order – mid-March, 1963. -- Dale Myers
Of course, we know that the record shows that the handgun was ordered prior to March 13th.

Myers never provides evidence that the April edition of True Adventures was on the newsstand on or prior to March 12th.
He fails to mention Commission Exhibit CE 1855 ( Oswald's worksheet ) that shows that Oswald was at work on the 12th and that every minute of his day is accounted for.

By withholding the evidence of Oswald's worksheet proving he was at work when the order was placed, Myers presents an argument that is less than truthful.
If the magazine hit the newsstand anytime after March 12th, it's proof that the documentation regarding the purchase of the handgun currently in evidence is fake.
Neither Oswald ( nor anyone else ) could have ordered a weapon from a magazine that had not yet reached the newsstand.
If the order blank did in fact come from that magazine, and the magazine was purchased from a newsstand, then the Seaport Traders documentation is fake.
For the handgun documentation to be authentic, the weapon had to have been ordered after March 15th.
A discovery on November 23rd may have revealed that this was the case.

The blank order forms allegedly found in the Paine garage
During their search of the Paine garage on 11/23, Dallas Police allegedly found two "magazine ads" from Klein's Sporting Goods.
On pages 2 and 3 of Commission Document 578, we see that the "ads" are not ads at all, but rather blank order forms from the ads.

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We find that the initials of the officers who conducted the 11/23 search, Rose (GFR), Stovall (RSS), Moore (HMM) and Adamcik (JPA) are marked on the blanks and the date of discovery is noted.
Of these four officers, only one was asked about the "magazine ads" and only one question was asked of him.

Mr. BALL. Now, you also found a magazine advertisement from Klein's Department Store, Klein's in Chicago ?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes sir; that was in the same box as the photographs. ( 7 H 195 )

The line of questioning seems to indicate that a single ad was found.
But according to the FBI, Dallas Police Capt. Will Fritz turned over "two magazine ads" on December 2nd "bearing initials" GFR and RSS.

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So how did two "magazine ads" on December 2nd become one when Stovall gave his testimony on April 3, 1964 ?
In addition, there was another anomaly with this discovery.

The blank order forms were not listed on evidence list
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Like the "backyard photographs" that police allegedly found in their search of the Paine garage on 11/23, police failed to mention this discovery in their list of items confiscated as a result of that search.
Nowhere is it listed that police found "ads" or "order forms" from Klein's even though it was well known to police by Saturday afternoon that the rifle was sold by Klein's through the mail.
Allegedly found in the same box as the "backyard photographs", the blank order forms were significant evidence connecting Oswald to Klein's.
So why weren't they listed ?

In fact, they aren't seen in the photographs of the evidence recovered by police.

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Where did the blank order forms come from ?
In his report of 5/5/64, Dallas FBI SAC Robert Gemberling noted that "no action" was taken on finding their sources. ( FBI file # 105-82555, Sec 156, pg. 59 )
Although the FBI was not interested in establishing when and how these blank order forms came into Oswald's possession, private researchers were.
We can thank the work of researcher Paul Hoch for identifying the magazines from which the blank order forms came from.

n her article, Ordering the Rifle, which appeared in the March 1996 edition of Assassination Chronicles, Martha Moyer tells us that researcher Paul Hoch found these "ads" in the National Archives and that they weren't ads at all but blank order forms.
Moyer goes on to say that the blank forms contained the department numbers "425" and "222".

The "Dept. 425" form
According to Moyer, Hoch found that this blank order form had been torn out of the June 1963 American Rifleman magazine. The FBI reported that it had recovered a copy of the June 1963 American Rifleman from the Adrian Alba's Crescent City garage in New Orleans on 11/23. ( CD 75, pg. 265 )
In his report of 10 December 1963, Robert Gemberling notes that on page 59 of the June issue, "an order blank had been torn" from a Klein's advertisement ( CD 7, pg. 204 )
Hoch took the torn page 59 ( FBI # D-15 ) from the magazine and matched it up with the "425" blank found in the Paine garage ( D-85 ).

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The "Dept. 222" form

According to Moyer's article, Hoch found that the "Dept. 222" blank order form came from the August, 1962 edition of Sports Afield magazine. I was able to confirm this with the purchase of a copy. The Klein's ad was right on page 3.
The question then becomes, why did Oswald tear blank order forms out of gun magazines and keep them ? What value did these blank forms have to him without the accompanying ads ?

So far, we've seen Oswald connected with four different magazines:
August 1962 Sports Afield ( from which he tore a blank order form )
February 1963 American Rifleman ( from which he allegedly ordered the rifle )
April 1963 True Adventures ( from which he allegedly ordered the handgun )
June 1963 American Rifleman ( from which he tore a blank order form )

Timewise, all of these magazines would have been available to Oswald during the time he worked at the William B. Reily Co. in New Orleans from May 10th to July 19th, 1963.
Would Oswald have had access to such magazines during this period ? The evidence says yes, because right around the corner from Reily was a garage whose owner was a gun enthusiast and connected with the extremist group, the Minutemen.

The Magazine Man

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Oswald worked at the William B. Reily Coffee Company from Friday, May 10th to Friday July 19th, 1963. ( CE 1896 / 23 H 700-701 )
The owner, Reily, was a supporter of right-wing causes and Oswald was hired into the maintenance dept. as a lubrication technician.
According to witnesses, Oswald spent a lot of time at Crescent City Garage next door ( red arrow ). The garage served as a storage facility and it boasted among it customers, agencies of the US government.
Because the garage had a soft drink machine and Reily did not, the employees would walk over to the garage and purchase soft drinks.

But Oswald didn't spend time there drinking soda. He spent his time looking through gun magazines that the owner Adrian Alba had.
In his testimony before the Warren Commission, Alba described himself as a "gun enthusiast" ( 10 H 220 ), but according to Jim Garrison, Alba was a member of the paramilitary group The Minutemen and even took others to their meetings.

Talking guns, borrowing magazines
According to Alba, he and Oswald had many discussions about guns. He told the Commission that Oswald, "pursued the issue of ordering guns, and how many guns I ever ordered, and how long did it take to get them, and where had I ordered guns from----" ( ibid. )
This seems like a strange behavior for a man who allegedly ordered a rifle and a handgun just a few months earlier.
Alba also told the Commission that Oswald had offered to purchase a couple of rifle from him, but he wasn't interested in selling. ( ibid., pg. 221 )

Unable to purchase a weapon from Alba, Oswald then asked if he could borrow a magazine. Alba testified that Oswald, "borrowed the magazines and requested permission to take one or two off at a time, and kept them anywhere from 3 days to a week, and would make the point of letting me know that he was returning them. And then a few days later, he would ask that he borrow another magazine or two magazines. I would say that there were anywhere from three to five definite occasions I do remember of Lee Oswald asking to take this and that magazine and letting me know that he returned the magazines." ( ibid. pg. 225-226 )
This testimony indicates that Oswald borrowed anywhere from at least 3 to 10 magazines from Alba's garage.

It's during this timeframe in New Orleans that Oswald both shows an interest in ordering rifles through the mail and creates this fictional character, A.Hidell as the head of the New Orleans chapter of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. So the question then becomes, are the order forms currently in evidence proof that Oswald really ordered the weapons, or are they examples of his practicing making those orders which were never mailed ?

Evidence that Oswald was practicing filling out order forms

Alba allowed Oswald to borrow some of the magazines. I believe that among them were the February 1963 American Rifleman and April 1963 True Adventures magazine. Oswald practiced filling out the order forms but never cut them out of the magazines. Oswald used his prior Dallas post office box on the forms because he was practicing placing an order. During this practice exercise, he not only used the fictitious name "A. Hidell", but also the fictitious name "D.F. Drittal" as a witness for the handgun "purchase".

There are a couple of clues to support my theory that he was practicing.

The first lies in the mistakes he made on the Seaport Traders form.

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The second is that that he tore two additional order forms out of magazines that he returned to the garage. Those blank order forms were later found by Dallas Police among Oswald's belongings in the Paine garage.

They came from the June 1963 American Rifleman and the August 1962 Sports Afield.
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I believe he was practicing ordering guns. My theory is supported by evidence that those order forms were not mailed by Oswald.

Evidence Oswald never mailed the order forms
Several pieces of evidence exist that show that Oswald never mailed the order forms.

Firstly, the time and date of the sale of the money order and the postmark on the envelope conflict with Oswald's worksheet at Jaggers-Childs-Stovall.

Secondly, the fact that the money order was never paid on and contains only Klein's endorsement stamp for deposit.

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Thirdly, the fact that its number was out of sequence for that time period.

Fourthly, Oswald's $10 deposit on the handgun order did not meet Seaport's required 50% deposit for C.O.D. orders.

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Seaport Traders would have never shipped that handgun C.O.D. with only a $10 deposit.

When combined, all of this evidence casts doubt that Oswald mailed the envelope, the money order and the order blanks.

Conclusion
The evidence supports my theory that Oswald was practicing filling out order blanks for guns which he never intended to buy.

Firstly, he asked Adrian Alba how to go about ordering guns. ( 10 H 220 )

Secondly, Oswald borrowed gun magazines from Alba's garage and usually kept them anywhere from 3 days to a week. ( 10 H 225 )

Thirdly, he made obvious mistakes in filling out the order blank for the handgun. He hand wrote in orders for ammunition and a holster, then crossed them out.

Fourthly, when filling out the order form for the rifle, he failed to order ammunition, even though it was listed in the ad. This is key, because the clip came free with the ammunition.

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And the rifle when removed from the TSBD contained a clip.

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So where did he get the clip and ammunition ? The Commission never told us.

Fifthly, the order blank for the handgun came from a magazine that was not on the newsstands on March 12th. Meaning that that order form was filled out after March 15th.

Sixthly, he tore two other order forms out of magazines he borrowed from Alba to use as extras but never filled them out. Those were the two found in the Paine garage.

Seventhly, Oswald was at work when the money order was purchased ( 3-12-63 ), all of his time is accounted for that day, and there is no evidence that he left work.

Eighthly, the money order contains only a stamp for deposit and there are no stamps on it to prove that it went through a payment process.

Ninthly, Seaport Traders required a deposit of 10% for all C.O.D. orders. Oswald's "deposit" of $10 did not meet this criteria and thus Seaport would not have shipped the handgun C.O.D.

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A final word
All of this evidence leads me to believe that Oswald was practicing ordering weapons in New Orleans. The blank Klein's order forms found by the Dallas Police in the Paine garage are significant because they connect Oswald with Kleins ads in magazines from Alba's garage in New Orleans.
The Warren Commission never revealed the source of the magazines that Oswald ordered the weapons from. It never proved that he received them.

I believe that Oswald filled out those order forms, never removed them from the magazines, and returned the magazines to Alba's garage intact.
I believe that the authorities sent someone to the garage after the assassination and retrieved those magazines and the order blanks therein.
And there's evidence to support that theory. Evidence that I will cover in a future essay.

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  DIA - Defense Intelligence Agency
Posted by: Peter Lemkin - 14-12-2024, 04:58 PM - Forum: Players, organisations, and events of deep politics - No Replies

80% of the intelligence budget is controlled by the Pentagon, not by the CIA and the intelligence agencies on that side. And I’ve always said that the DIA was the real thing to look at because you can get 600 books on the CIA. I challenge you to get 2 or 3 on the DIA. There’s only 2 on the NSA and they’re both written by Bamford, the same fellow. [For] ONI I’ve found five, and believe me I look at books. And that’s the oldest and the largest intelligence agency, it started with British Naval Intelligence, ONI. And it’s very hard to find out anything about them, even at the level of the War Colleges and those things. And yet they control the base of the budget.
“What Prouty and other histories tell us is that the CIA is essentially a think tank. It comes up with plots, it may penetrate or get information on, or manipulate, groups, but in the end, when they want to carry out a special operation, they have to find a liaison to the military intelligence because the military intelligence has the equipment and the tools in order to actually effect any large scale special operation, even an assassination.”

—John Judge, 2004

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  How Fascists Rewrite The Past To Control The Future
Posted by: Peter Lemkin - 13-12-2024, 11:07 PM - Forum: Political, Governmental, and Economic Systems and Strategies - Replies (2)

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  Niederhut And Controlled Demolition
Posted by: Brian Doyle - 11-12-2024, 07:53 PM - Forum: 911 - Replies (2)

Moderator Niederhut is arguing that controlled demolition is a given over on The Education Forum...Because James Gordon is abusing his moderator power I am not allowed to enter that thread and tell Niederhut what he needs to hear...

If you watch the close-up shots of the South Tower when it buckled you can see stringer girders deforming with up to a 6 foot sag prior to the collapse...Those steel beams sagged due to heat and overloading...When they gave out the top section collapsed on to the bottom structure...You can tell it was from structural failure because the top section listed eastward in to the damaged area...Videos showed a bulging of the outside of the building as the structure failed...This was precipitated by structural failure and heat weakening and not by thermite cutting packs...

This is reinforced by the fact the South Tower fell first even though it was hit 15 minutes after the North Tower...If the collapse was controlled they would have set off the thermite in the North Tower in correct sequence...The reason the South Tower went first is because the damage undercut one side and caused greater stress through imbalance and more fuel in the larger 767...Better analysts will tell you this alone shows it fell from structural damage exacerbated by heat...You don't need to melt steel...You just need to weaken it...

The reason the Towers collapsed is because the inner core-outer frame design relied on a hanging floor truss that was connected to the outer frame by a 3 inch metal cleat...When the top section collapsed its mass was resisted by that 3 inch cleat that instantly gave way and started a chain reaction of pancaking floor sections that shot down through the void...Niederhut does not understand that the hollow inside the Tower was like a downward gun barrel through which the plug of floor sections shot...As this flat-bottomed plug was pushed down like a piston on to the next floor below it created a surge of powerfully compressed air of tremendous force that unzipped the core frame as it shot downward...You can see a wave shoot down the Tower exterior preceeding the collapse...That was the plug of floors unzipping the core frame and allowing free fall...

Building 7 was most likely intentionally demo-ed and 9-11 was definitely a false flag attack designed to trigger the PNAC plan, but the main Towers fell on their own IMO...

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  The White Rose
Posted by: Peter Lemkin - 11-12-2024, 06:34 PM - Forum: Historical Events - No Replies

The White Rose, 1942-43: An Anti-Fascist Social Network in an Analog Era
In June 1942, one hundred people in Munich received a shocking letter in the mail. Signed by “the White Rose Society,” it asked Germans to “adopt passive resistance – resistance – wherever you are, and block the functioning of this atheistic war machine before it is too late…Don’t forget that every people gets the government it deserves!”
Three more missives appeared over the next six weeks, reaching thousands throughout southwest Germany and up to Hamburg. A fifth (written with Munich University professor Kurt Huber) appeared in early 1943.
The Munich University students behind the letters had absorbed lessons in mass communications from the regime they so despised. As the brother-sister conspirators Sophie and Hans Scholl stated, their goal was to produce “compelling propaganda” that would “impact a large part of the population.” While the Scholls grew up with an anti-Nazi father, they knew how Nazi institutions operated. Hans Scholl was a former Hitler Youth squad leader, and other members of the group had served in the military.
Building a chain of collaborators that reached to Vienna, the White House expanded from letters to graffiti actions, like painting “Hitler mass murderer” on a Munich bookshop, and they distributed leaflets at train stations and phone booths. Most recipients of the letters were chosen because their jobs put them in contact with many people, as with educators, doctors, and owners of restaurants, pubs, and bookshops.
The White Rose letters asked the recipients to copy the messages and spread them “from person to person.” Working in an analog era and in a police state, they tried to construct an anti-fascist social network.
The White Rose eluded the authorities throughout eight months of activity, even when the Gestapo hired a philologist to examine the letters for clues to their identities. But on February 18, 1943, Sophie Scholl was spotted distributing copies of their 6th letter at Munich University. She and Hans were arrested and executed just four days later. Their fellow students and Huber were also rounded up and killed.
In death, the White Rose gained the mass audience they’d dreamed of; Allied aircraft dropped tens of thousands of their letters over the country. “I had to act out of my inner conviction and I believed this inner obligation was more binding than the oath of loyalty I had given as a soldier,” Hans Scholl told Gestapo interrogators, explaining his actions.

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  Morrissette - Frazier HSCA Testimony
Posted by: Brian Doyle - 29-11-2024, 08:34 PM - Forum: JFK Assassination - No Replies

Morissette has posted Buell Frazier's HSCA interview on The Education Forum...At the 9 minute mark Frazier says in clear detail that after Calvery ran to the steps and told them the president had been shot that he stood facing a heavy-set lady and they stayed there... This is the exact moment that is seen in the Couch/Darnell film clip...This is a clear description of Frazier facing Stanton at the exact time he is facing Prayer Man and serves to end the Prayer Man issue...

What the totally incompetent Education Forum membership doesn't detect is the fact Frazier skips his trip up the extension in his recounting...He most-likely skips describing Lovelady & Shelley's trip up the extension because he knows Shelley was CIA and knows he was involved...So, seeing his omission of their trip up the extension, we are not told of Frazier turning back to the steps where he told Stanton he didn't see anything...I contend Frazier left that part out because he knew Shelley was involved and was dangerous...

This is yet another example of how The Education Forum damages JFK research...The Education Forum is just a dirty little domain of monkey's in trees defending their pathetic tribe...It is run by a real criminal POS named James Gordon who is only in it for the power...He doesn't give a damn about how the Forum affects solving the case or the correct evidence...It is run by the self-defeating principle that the opposition must be allowed to post long-disproven claims which has led to the uncredible validation of trollish Lone Nutters having equal status as the best and brightest...It is this type of unsound format that allows an ignorant horse's ass like Gordon to make it his mission to ban the guy who cracked it in favor of obvious LN trolls...The Forum is designed to spin its wheels forever and never solve the case...Gordon is going to make that format work if he has to destroy JFK research in the process...And Jim D doesn't seem to mind...So I hope Peter, Magda, and Lauren understand the imperative for DPF to maintain its original mission to counter Education Forum corruption...DPF is now literally the only hope for credible JFK research...Especially when JFK researchers who know better fly in to the flame offered by that criminal asshole Gordon in order to firm-up his agenda against good research...

There you have the proof that Prayer Man is Stanton and the EF's reaction is to let Stancak post more incoherent pseudo-analysis goobledigook that strategically omits all the evidence that disproves it...And no one says a word...

This is a good example of how idiots like Morissette and Stancak damage the efforts of skilled researchers...Witnesses like Frazier are very important and only offer a certain amount of "tries" in getting questions answered...So when you have assholes like Bart Kamp using up precious attempts on key witnesses the good evidence gets shoved aside, like the EF succeeded in doing with Prayer Man...And when it becomes clear you were correct those dirty bastards keep you banned and don't admit your evidence...These people are sick and they practice the dirty practice of spreading defamation about you that works against getting those key witnesses to answer the most important evidence...

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  Excellent book on 911 & Anthrax Attacks
Posted by: Peter Lemkin - 25-11-2024, 08:53 AM - Forum: 911 - No Replies

MacQueen was the top researcher on the Anthrax Attacks'  keyhole in which to peer to clearly see the total falsehood of the official cover-up story. Sadly, MacQueen died not long ago at a very young age. Here is an ebook summarizing his work, which I consider essential to understanding the largest false-flag event since World War II.

MacQueen-911-Anthrax-Attacks

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  The Ongoing 'Civil War' for the USA
Posted by: Peter Lemkin - 23-11-2024, 07:55 PM - Forum: Historical Events - Replies (1)

Unless you: love to hate, love lawlessness, lean toward Fascism, don't care about the Environmental Emergency, think and hope some kinda 'armageddon' is coming and desirable, and like Trumpf like less-well to uneducated people running 'things' - whether you are a US Citizen or not, join the RESISTANCE! Like it or not (me not), how goes the USA has a HUGE effect on the rest of the World!

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  Very partial list of grievances against those who hated JFK
Posted by: Peter Lemkin - 23-11-2024, 07:13 AM - Forum: JFK Assassination - No Replies


1963 – November 22nd – 2024
https://ratical.org/index.html#Friday61yrs



On another Friday, 61 years ago, A President For Peace was very publicly executed in the noon day sun. While his generals wanted to win the Cold War, he sought to end it. The escalating list of conflicts between President Kennedy and his national security state before he was assassinated includes:

  1. 1961-1961: negotiated peace with the Communists for a neutralist government in Laos;
  2. April 1961: Bay of Pigs and JFK’s response: “I want to splinter the CIA in a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.”
  3. 1961-63: Kennedy-Hammarskjöld-UN vision, which kept the Congo together and independent;
  4. April 1962: conflict with big steel industrialists;
  5. October 1962: negotiated resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis by pledges of no US invasion of Cuba and withdrawal of US missiles from Turkey made to Nikita Khrushchev;
  6. 1961-63: diplomatic opening to Third World leadership of President Sukarno;
  7. May 6, 1963: Presidential order NSAM #239 to pursue both a nuclear test ban and a policy of general and complete disarmament;
  8. June 10, 1963: American University Address;
  9. Summer 1963: Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty;
  10. Fall 1963: beginning of back-channel dialogue with Fidel Castro;
  11. Fall 1963: JFK’s decision to sell wheat to the Russians;
  12. October 11, 1963: Presidential order NSAM #263 to withdraw all U.S. personnel from Vietnam by 1965;
  13. November 1963: Khrushchev decides to accept JFK’s invitation for a joint U.S.-Soviet expedition to the moon.
James Douglass: “Seeking light in a depth of systemic evil that Thomas Merton called ‘the Unspeakable,’ which he described in Raids on the Unspeakable, leads one to a Gospel story. Kennedy was learning to see through the eyes of his Communist adversaries. At great personal risk, he was turning from war to peacemaking. I was astounded by the grace-filled story of a president of the United States choosing peace—at the cost of his life.”



My mother worked for 30 years altogether, but 25 years for the deputy chief of staff in the personnel office of the U.S. Army, directly under the Joint Chiefs of Staff. She was the highest-paid woman employee of the Pentagon; she was five levels above top security. I mentioned to Fletcher Prouty the other day I worked from the bottom up and he worked from the top down, and we met at the Joint Chiefs. My mother’s job was to project overall national draft call figures five years in advance. She had to project an annual national Selective Service call that was right within a hundred people either way five years ahead. She knew from those projections and from the information she got that they were withdrawing from Vietnam.


If you want to get hold of the papers that prove Prouty’s point, I just got this today at the Government Printing Office—Foreign Relations in the United States, 1961-1963. The State Department papers are released in Volume 4 of the Vietnam series. This is August to December, 1963, and the security memoranda are in there that talk about Kennedy’s plan. It’s been backed up by Arthur Schlesinger and more recently—yesterday, I believe, or the day before—in the New York Times by Roger Hilsman.


He was pulling out. My mother knew that because she had to project those kind of figures. I asked her after she retired, “When did they tell you they would escalate in Vietnam?” because she had to be among the first to know. She said, “Late November of ’63.” I said, “The last week in November?” She said, “Yes, the Monday following the assassination.” I said, “Was this a few more advisers, a change in policy?” She said, “I couldn’t believe the figures. I took them back to the Joint Chiefs in what must have been the first protest by the civilian community to the war in Vietnam and said, ‘These can’t be right,’ and they said, ‘You’ll use them.’” They told her November 25, 1963 that the war in Vietnam would last for 10 years and that 57,000 Americans would die and to figure that in.
John Judge on JFK film panel, American University, January 22, 1992

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