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Tom Scully Wrote:Magda,
Am I to assume that these Simkin statements are deeply flawed, riddled with inaccuracies? Quite possibly. JS seemed to spend most of his time away from his forum and in his absence the inmates were running the asylum. He relied on these people to inform him of what had been happening in his absence. I do not think he was well informed. I know there were lies told about me, David, Charlie, Dawn and Peter. I'm sure it has happened to you and Jim as well.
Tom Scully Wrote:Magda, if you feel so strongly about the treatment of
Peter, how much more intense is your reaction to the treatment of Jim Di ..... no process, no warning...... membership and all posts suddenly deleted?
Yes, it is shocking what happened to you and Jim at the EF. I'm not cognisant about the ins and outs of what went down as I don't go to the EF to read. I do know it had some thing to do with Hank Albarelli. I really like Hank personally. And do think he is a good author. I do wish people could be more collaborative in this area. Build on each others works to find answers. Not attack personally or take positive constructive criticism personally. But things were never going to end well at the EF as the EF is what it is. From my own experience no one can expect fair treatment there regardless of particulars. It seems more a commercial enterprise where threats to the bottom line are terminated with alacrity.
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Tom Scully Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:Quote:WOW!!! Some people just don't want to study reality either. This is very disheartening. It was bad enough that the naysayers were so many and calling the "trutheres" names, but to just disappear an entire threat. Brings to mind what they did to Jim D. And as a result lost the brilliance of RCD.
Dawn
EF has a long history of things like this. I had my account terminated before I could even defend myself against false claims [allegedly happening outside of the EF no less] and removed as a moderator at the same instant. Then within hours all 5000 of so of my posts were deleted forever.
Speaking of RCD, who really was brilliant, does anyone know why he requested and obtained permission for the covering on his face. All I remember is Simpson once telling me [back when he and I were friends and in regular contact] that Dunne had 'good reason and approved reason' to hide his face...without the specifics. As it may be a delicate matter for the internet, if anyone knows, kindly PM me as to what you know. Just curious. He was brilliant in his analyses and in his writing style! Most of the better people at EF have left out of disgust or been banned. IMO.
Peter, do you accept that Jim DiEugenio was abused specifically by John Simkin ....... suddenly banned with none of the outlined and expected steps of discipline, and with no
prior warning or hearing (as was I....) by Simkin, unilaterally, and in DiEugenio's case, his posts deleted unilaterally by Simkin, while you were treated quite a bit differently?
My point is that I would have appreciated being afforded the opportunities afforded to you by Simkin, and the support he gave you, as DiEugenio probably also would have. I've
read your description of what happened, leading to the deletion of your posts and your ouster, and although this post I expect will earn me no favors here, I have to tell you I
think you received a "fair shake" compared to the abuse experienced by DiEugnio, EXCEPT FOR WALKER'S UNILATERAL DELETION OF YOUR POSTS.
If you have an interest, I will post support for my take on this, and I assure you I am motivated only in reaction to the many times you've described, and I've read your description
of what happened to you, and also by the striking differences I perceive in the way you were separated from the EF, compared to the way Jim DiEugenio was. I'm saying I believe you
had many options "near the end," options afforded to neither Jim or I. I agree completely that Andy Walker committed a crime against you by deleting your posts, and as in the deletion of DiEugenio's posts, every post of every other EF member in every thread either you or Jim started, were also deleted.
You brought this up, Peter, and I'm sorry to be responding to you, here. Walker's crime against you, aside, and I am no friend or supporter of EF, I believe I can support my take that
you were afforded options you did not take advantage of, and you had an opportunity to mitigate your situation and remain at the EF. DiEugenio was not, nor was I.
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John Simkin Posted 12 March 2010
......I therefore decided to call for another vote on Peter as a moderator. This time, only Evan, Don and myself voted for him to stay......
No comparison, Peter ..... none, as you were afforded input and you were afforded votes, and escalating steps, as well as support during votes neither I nor Jim D. were granted.:
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John Simkin Posted 09 June 2013
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I find I am in complete agreement with Hank's comments and have decided to delete Jim DiEugenio and Tom Scully membership. This is a start of a new regime at the Forum.....
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John Simkin Posted 17 June 2013 -
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Tom Scully and Jim DiEugenio were not removed from this Forum for any individual breach of Forum rules. My decision was based on what I considered a long-term campaign into bullying members into not posting on this forum. .....
Again, Peter, if you are not apoplectic after reading my reaction to your claims, there is much more I can post related to the contrast in our experiences leading to the end of our
respective tenures on the EF. If you can separate what Walker did to you from the rest of the events leading to your exit from the EF, I believe it is clear you were afforded the opportunites to effect a different outcome, and ironically, your description of your separation from the EF is much closer to what actually happened to Jim Di and I, and your experience, aside from the unilateral abuse by Walker, was an experience Jim Di and I could only wish for, in comparison.
I don't know the details of your or Jim's exit stage right, only that it happened as to many others. In my case, I was both a moderator of long standing and had been privately close and in regular email contact with Simkin until just before the death of his wife. He and I traded secrets about JFK and other black ops [and who knew what about those things] we wouldn't for one reason or another post on the Forum. When his wife died, he was gone - and to some extent never returned the same man. Before that there were, however, many problems with moderation, moderators who were horribly biased. Many good people have passed through the Tar Pit, but I repeat, most of the best have left in disgust or been summarily removed. The 'vote' doesn't make a difference. There was no way I was going to come out unscathed and the vote process was not in the rules and Simkin had an override vote should it go the wrong way. I was set up by Walker who loathed my political views. It is not a free speech/thought/word site and yes it depends on advertising - or did. The list of those removed or who stomped away is long. It is amazing a few good people still bother to post there, as it is fruitless in the end. Having had all of my post removed was the worst of it. That is just to hurt and censor at the same time. The site has been hacked many times [so we are told anyway] and all the old material is gone due to it [we are told]. The situation there is hopeless, it can not be reformed or saved. IMO. Censoring the posts of those who have labored there is just beyond the pale.
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WOW, that thread with Carroll attacking both Mike and RCD was really something. He's attacked me too, so I feel I'm in good company. He never missed an opportunity to bash Garrison, which for me is a hallmark of an agent.
Jim: John called me yesterday to discuss this and other matters and when I checked EF the entire Harvey and Lee thread was just gone. The shorter one begun by Parker was still there, in a new "JFK Deep Politics" section. WTH? Telling that an entire thread would be disappeared there. Guess it's too threatening. Great new stuff coming from JA. Has me wishing my dear friend J Harrison was still alive as he was a reserve officer in Dallas that day and knew all the cops. Boy do I have questions for him on one cop in particular. Oh well.
He asked me who owns EF but I have no clue. I can only guess it's those who are paying to run it.
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Quote:Telling that an entire thread would be disappeared there. Guess it's too threatening.
The Harvey & Lee topic should have been kept open. It was shut down because Greg Parker and the troll crew were starting to lose.
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Albert Doyle Wrote:Quote:Telling that an entire thread would be disappeared there. Guess it's too threatening.
The Harvey & Lee topic should have been kept open. It was shut down because Greg Parker and the troll crew were starting to lose.
It is ironic and for me, very frustrating, that although I have perhaps one of the best justified and intensely negative opinions of the EF "abuse team" I am positioned here posting that they are not as awful as the majority
here espouse.
"an entire thread" has not disappeared. It simply descended in the topics list because it is a list beginning the most recently updated topic, and the H&L thread is locked and thus frozen in time.
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I'm sorry I have to be consistently facts driven, and this makes my posts stick out like a sore thumb. And I've never made an online purchase using a fake name, attempting to legitimize my sock puppet pseudonym.
Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.
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Tom Scully Wrote:Albert Doyle Wrote:Quote:Telling that an entire thread would be disappeared there. Guess it's too threatening.
The Harvey & Lee topic should have been kept open. It was shut down because Greg Parker and the troll crew were starting to lose.
It is ironic and for me, very frustrating, that although I have perhaps one of the best justified and intensely negative opinions of the EF "abuse team" I am positioned here posting that they are not as awful as the majority
here espouse.
"an entire thread" has not disappeared. It simply descended in the topics list because it is a list beginning the most recently updated topic, and the H&L thread is locked and thus frozen in time.
List page = http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....all&page=4
Thread link: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....opic=19762
I'm sorry I have to be consistently facts driven, and this makes my posts stick out like a sore thumb. And I've never made an online purchase using a fake name, attempting to legitimize my sock puppet pseudonym.
Sorry Tom: I was told it was gone and I looked this morning for a few pages then had to leave for court. It was locked on 9/10 when I was in a long 15 hour work day jury trial and was not looking at forums. I stand corrected. But it should not have been locked. There is new research being done on this issue.
As to the rest of your post I have no clue what you are talking about...
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Dawn,
I was not replying to your post. I just attempted to send you a PM with a longer explanation, but I was unsuccessful because I recieved a notice that there is no room in your inbox.
No need to explain that you thought the thread was disappeared, and considering their track record, it is an easy assumption, that it was disappeared.
Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.
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Tom Scully Wrote:Dawn,
I was not replying to your post. I just attempted to send you a PM with a longer explanation, but I was unsuccessful because I recieved a notice that there is no room in your inbox.
No need to explain that you thought the thread was disappeared, and considering their track record, it is an easy assumption, that it was disappeared.
Ya just emptied a few...sorry...I really have to find the time to go through all the PM's and delete. After I make it through this too busy month. The consequence of taking a long vacation in August, to PA to see my daughter and our granddaughters, then ten days seeing old friends in MA. Speaking of granddaughters our youngest, almost 13, just got the lead in her Jr. high musical. Literally, moments ago. So proud of both of them, mega talented. Broadway, make room. :  :
Happily,
Dawn
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Dawn Meredith Wrote:WOW, that thread with Carroll attacking both Mike and RCD was really something. He's attacked me too, so I feel I'm in good company. He never missed an opportunity to bash Garrison, which for me is a hallmark of an agent.
Jim: John called me yesterday to discuss this and other matters and when I checked EF the entire Harvey and Lee thread was just gone. The shorter one begun by Parker was still there, in a new "JFK Deep Politics" section. WTH? Telling that an entire thread would be disappeared there. Guess it's too threatening. Great new stuff coming from JA. Has me wishing my dear friend J Harrison was still alive as he was a reserve officer in Dallas that day and knew all the cops. Boy do I have questions for him on one cop in particular. Oh well.
He asked me who owns EF but I have no clue. I can only guess it's those who are paying to run it.
Dawn
An EF admin "locked" the Harvey and Lee thread so that no additional posts could be made to it, effectively guaranteeing it will slide into near oblivion. No surprise that you didn't see it. It wouldn't surprise me if that thread completely disappears in the near future so that Google searches won't be able to resurrect it. I made certain it would stay as dangerous to the status quo as icebergs in the path of the Titanic by posting numerous, lengthy excerpts directly from John's book in it.
Recently, I suggested a new write-up that John liked and we'll be posting it on the website in the next few weeks. I'm assisting him with it now, and, oddly enough, the hardest part of the job involves defending a WCR conclusion that has fallen on hard times among researchers in recent days. Kind of funny, really, but the new write-up should be a powerful statement about assassination day activities.
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[quote=David Josephs]Hello everyone... ::trenchcoatspy::
The minion got very ugly with threats of hangin me from a tree, and wrote more threats involving his strange preoccupation with death and children.
As the mod wrote: "xxxxxx's statement breaches everything that this forum stands for."
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Wow DJ. Which "minion" posted that? Sounds like it was intended to get that thread locked. What a bunch of ill- intentioned people. This forum calls itself "Re-Open the Kennedy Case" but spend a bit of time there to see what they are actually doing to accomplishing this alleged goal. I have never seen a forum on this case that has an entire sub forum devoted to bashing and name calling-vile in many instances- members of other forums. Makes you wonder what their agenda really is.
Great stuff DJ and Jim. And the new stuff JA is working on will put to bed-finally-the bus issue. Onward.
Dawn
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