A NOBLE LIE, the Oklahoma bombing, MK-Ultra and False Flag terrorism..

[Magda Hassan]

And then there's this continuity error, a truck of the right type, before the event, at a staging area of a military base...

Can you give some more information about this Jonathan? Which base? And where else the truck was used? Etc.

[David Guyatt]

And then there's this continuity error, a truck of the right type, before the event, at a staging area of a military base...

Ah yes, I remember that picture at the time. It did't seem to arouse any interest at all and was generally ignored as I recall.

[Jonathan Nolan]

And then there's this continuity error, a truck of the right type, before the event, at a staging area of a military base...

Can you give some more information about this Jonathan? Which base? And where else the truck was used? Etc.

Other than my own blog etc. this is the only surviving secondary source:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POL...truck.html

The Oklahoma City Bombing

What was the Army doing with a Ryder Truck just before the Murrah blast?

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The following photos are mirrored from http://members.aol.com/bardsquill/truck.htm. The pilot who took the photos wishes (for the obvious reasons) to remain anonymous, but these photos are purported to be of an area near Camp Gruber-Braggs, Oklahoma in early April of 1995. Needless to say, just days after this photo was taken, the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City was destroyed (along with internal cutter charges) by a Ryder truck full of explosives.
NEW! In a recently discovered news article written by the Washington Post on June 17th, 1997, the Oklahoma National Guard authenticates the following photos as being exactly what they appear to be, photos of a Ryder truck in a clandestine base at Camp Gruber-Braggs.

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Click for full size (111K) picture. Side view showing the Ryder truck. All other vehicles are covered. Note the all encompassing screens set up to conceal the presence of the trucks and the outer screen set up to conceal the entire compound.
Click for full size (112K) picture. Another angle.
Click for full size (172K) picture. Wide area view of the above. Notice the remoteness of this installation. Also note the tree over the white concrete to lower right.
Click for full size (72.3K) picture. This is an enlargement of the tree growing in front of the white concrete. Note the green foliage just beginning to emerge. This proves that the time of year when the photo was taken was early spring, not as David Hoffman and Ian Goddard claim, in November.

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NEW!GOOGLE MAPS LOCATE THE SECRET BASE!

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Info About The Area

From http://www.speedtrap.com/speedtrap/oklahoma.html.... BRAGGS
town
Additional Info: This is the mother of all traps if your from out of town
you will get caught no matter what. The trap is located right next to Camp
Gruber at the first convenience store and the cop is always there. He uses K
band on the radars. I once got stopped twice in one day and got tickets
both times!!! From the US Army site: http://www.atsc-army.org/dev/itsd/VTCL.HTM U.S. ARMY TELETRAINING NETWORK (TNET) CLASSROOMS LOCATION SPONSOR PHONE OK: Camp Gruber, Braggs FAS [IMG]resource://skype_ff_extension-at-jetpack/skype_ff_extension/data/call_skype_logo.png[/IMG](918) 487-6042 From FAA site: http://www.faa.gov/arp/okpri.htm
OK BRAGGS CAMP GRUBER LTC JIM HUMPHREY
OKLAHOMA MILITARY DEPT. [IMG]resource://skype_ff_extension-at-jetpack/skype_ff_extension/data/call_skype_logo.png[/IMG]918-487-6001
18833.3*H PR
3501 MILITARY CIRCLE, NE [IMG]resource://skype_ff_extension-at-jetpack/skype_ff_extension/data/call_skype_logo.png[/IMG]918-487-6001
59OK 35-40-25.350N 095-12-19.861W CAMP GRUBER, OK

From FAA site: http://www.faa.gov/arp/okpri.CSV "OK","BRAGGS","CAMP
GRUBER","18833.3*H","59OK","PR","35-40-25.350N","095-12-19.861W","OKLAHOMA
MILITARY DEPT.","3501 MILITARY CIRCLE, NE","OKLAHOMA CITY, OK
73111","[IMG]resource://skype_ff_extension-at-jetpack/skype_ff_extension/data/call_skype_logo.png[/IMG]918-487-6001","LTC JIM HUMPHREY","","CAMP GRUBER, OK","[IMG]resource://skype_ff_extension-at-jetpack/skype_ff_extension/data/call_skype_logo.png[/IMG]918-487-6001"

[Magda Hassan]

Thank you Jonathan! It is curious to say the least.

[Lauren Johnson]

JN: Do know anything more about the photos? For example, why would someone be flying around taking pictures of a Ryder truck days before it became notorious?

[Jonathan Nolan]

JN: Do know anything more about the photos? For example, why would someone be flying around taking pictures of a Ryder truck days before it became notorious?

Proparanoid lays it all out at proparanoid.net, and I don't feel comfortable just cutting and pasting it all, especially since I take issue with one or two of his own axes to grind, but short as possible version:

National Guardsman on base was flying his ultralight around for shits and giggles. He took shots of the base from above as he circled.

National Guardsman then dies in mysterious crash of said ultralight.

Pictures are "leaked" / appear on web.

Washington Post (yeah exactly) covers story along with other connected coverage "militia distance themselves from McVeigh" and this picture of the base pops up in the article series - and elsewhere. Not just the Post, important point. Some people claim it's 100% disinfo etc. Very very unlikely. More like damage control.

DARPA is forced into admitting that the area photographed is actually an explosives factory (... exclamation point, question mark, etc.) but is quick to say "unconnected to OK City and in any case the photographs come from AFTER the "tragedy".

Internal evidence in the pictures - there's more than one - indicate they were taken BEFORE the OK City bombing.

Chemical traces in soil indicate that yes, it was indeed an explosives lab. In the same way indian reservations are used for all sorts of crazy and unsafe purposes by the feds, so too was this base.

Interesting final point: the type of explosives at the "lab" are identical to those MOST researchers believe to be, on the facts, used as the cutter charges within the OK City building.


At that point, it became almost exactly the same sort of "Oswald was KGB but we couldn't tell anyone" full court press disinfo from the government and lapdog media.

Extra "details" were "leaked" and at the time almost no investigator understood how subtle and devious the control system is when someone has genuinely uncovered part of the magic trick. So then down the false rabbit holes almost everyone went. Other example of this is the "unwanted by the FBI" John Doe #2 who has been identified slam dunk guaranteed - down the memory hole that one went too.



Crucial point for people, and I'm not kidding. This specific issue, this specific part of the OK City murders, will definitely get you watched, hacked, shut down, hurt. For real.

[Lauren Johnson]

JN: Do know anything more about the photos? For example, why would someone be flying around taking pictures of a Ryder truck days before it became notorious?

Proparanoid lays it all out at proparanoid.net, and I don't feel comfortable just cutting and pasting it all, especially since I take issue with one or two of his own axes to grind, but short as possible version:

National Guardsman on base was flying his ultralight around for shits and giggles. He took shots of the base from above as he circled.

National Guardsman then dies in mysterious crash of said ultralight.

Pictures are "leaked" / appear on web.

Washington Post (yeah exactly) covers story along with other connected coverage "militia distance themselves from McVeigh" and this picture of the base pops up in the article series - and elsewhere. Not just the Post, important point. Some people claim it's 100% disinfo etc. Very very unlikely. More like damage control.

DARPA is forced into admitting that the area photographed is actually an explosives factory (... exclamation point, question mark, etc.) but is quick to say "unconnected to OK City and in any case the photographs come from AFTER the "tragedy".

Internal evidence in the pictures - there's more than one - indicate they were taken BEFORE the OK City bombing.

Chemical traces in soil indicate that yes, it was indeed an explosives lab. In the same way indian reservations are used for all sorts of crazy and unsafe purposes by the feds, so too was this base.

Interesting final point: the type of explosives at the "lab" are identical to those MOST researchers believe to be, on the facts, used as the cutter charges within the OK City building.


At that point, it became almost exactly the same sort of "Oswald was KGB but we couldn't tell anyone" full court press disinfo from the government and lapdog media.

Extra "details" were "leaked" and at the time almost no investigator understood how subtle and devious the control system is when someone has genuinely uncovered part of the magic trick. So then down the false rabbit holes almost everyone went. Other example of this is the "unwanted by the FBI" John Doe #2 who has been identified slam dunk guaranteed - down the memory hole that one went too.



Crucial point for people, and I'm not kidding. This specific issue, this specific part of the OK City murders, will definitely get you watched, hacked, shut down, hurt. For real.

As my dear Swedish Granny used to say: Ufda.

Thanks. I haven't heard that before.

[Magda Hassan]

Other example of this is the "unwanted by the FBI" John Doe #2 who has been identified slam dunk guaranteed - down the memory hole that one went too.

Ooh yeah, had almost forgotten that one.

[Anthony Thorne]

Jonathan, where is your blog? Just browsing this thread and have missed the link if you posted it.

[Magda Hassan]

Jonathan, where is your blog? Just browsing this thread and have missed the link if you posted it.

Was wondering this also.