Now you are saying that this is somehow all faked evidence?
That Tom and Tracy are producing stuff that does not actually exist, and that JKG lied in those documents they are producing, or someone lied for him? And he then even lied to his son? And he lied to Halberstam also? Way back in the sixties?
BTW, who is your source who says JKG never went to Saigon? And how does he know that?
Quote:Now you are saying that this is somehow all faked evidence?
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Quote:That Tom and Tracy are producing stuff that does not actually exist
It's really not their fault so blaming them for producing something that doesn't exist is not their wrongdoings, what is, is to keep pushing something that doesn't exist when you've been told that it doesn't, that's called disinformation or propaganda.
Quote:that JKG lied in those documents or someone lied for him?
Now, you're trying to put words in my mouth I never said, can we please stay the course?
Quote:BTW, who is your source who says JKG never went to Saigon?
Secret and Sensitive.
It's really quit simply Jim, I have been asked time and time again to provide my evidence, I did, and no one had ever heard of Mansfield until I made him known, trust me when I say, I have a lot of information to provide no one has heard of. Now that I provided my information instead of books, provide me the letter JKG sent to JFK regarding VN. Kinda reminds me of my post at Match dot com when I said SWM seeking SWF with BMW.
Anyways, provide me the letter Jim, shouldn't the burden of proof "lie" within all those books you provide?
09-03-2016, 05:30 AM (This post was last modified: 09-03-2016, 06:19 AM by Tom Scully.)
Scott Kaiser Wrote:Aside from Tom posting his usual, anyone else who's capable of thinking understands that memos and or letters always had JKG's signature and stationary letter head at the top of the letter, any vain person in office would not send the president of the United States the junk Tom keeps posting.
"I'm done with this guy!"-
-Vinny Gambini
Primary Source, Scott :
https://www.archives.gov/research/pentagon-papers/ -
[URL="https://nara-media-001.s3.amazonaws.com/arcmedia/research/pentagon-papers/Pentagon-Papers-Part-V-B-4-Book-I.pdf"]https://nara-media-001.s3.amazonaws.com/arcmedia/research/pentagon-papers/Pentagon-Papers-Part-V-B-4-Book-I.pdf
[/URL]
Follow up letter to President Kennedy, upon Galbraith's arrival at U.S. Embassy, India. .pdf page numbers (pgs. 435 & 439) displayed on
top left of both letter images in this post, only the first page of Galbraith's two, post Saigon "visit" letters are presented here in this post.
The letter below, for example consists of nine pages and all are available in the .pdf file linked above. Update... pg. 9 of 9 image
of second letter from Galbraith to JFK, dated 21 November, 1963 (.pdf pg. 447) has been added to this post.
I'll stay up late, anticipating an apology and a thank you, posted by Scott later this evening.
Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.
Scott Kaiser Wrote:Aside from Tom posting his usual, anyone else who's capable of thinking understands that memos and or letters always had JKG's signature and stationary letter head at the top of the letter, any vain person in office would not send the president of the United States the junk Tom keeps posting.
"I'm done with this guy!"-
-Vinny Gambini
Primary Source, Scott :
https://www.archives.gov/research/pentagon-papers/ -
[URL="https://nara-media-001.s3.amazonaws.com/arcmedia/research/pentagon-papers/Pentagon-Papers-Part-V-B-4-Book-I.pdf"]https://nara-media-001.s3.amazonaws.com/arcmedia/research/pentagon-papers/Pentagon-Papers-Part-V-B-4-Book-I.pdf
[/URL]
Follow up letter to President Kennedy, upon Galbraith's arrival at U.S. Embassy, India. .pdf page numbers (pgs. 435 & 439) displayed on
top left of both letter images in this post, only the first page of Galbraith's two, post Saigon "visit" letters are presented here in this post.
The letter below, for example consists of nine pages and all are available in the .pdf file linked above. Update... pg. 9 of 9 image
of second letter from Galbraith to JDK, dated 21 November, 1963 (.pdf pg. 447) has been added to this post.
I'll stay up late, anticipating an apology and a thank you, posted by Scott later this evening.
Let me try this in a different way the information you posted here is information complied by corresponds apparently between JFK and JKG. And, what this information is suggesting is that prior to Kennedy sending JKG to India as the Ambassador to India he should stop by Vietnam and report to JFK about the ongoing situation, and why wouldn't he if Vietnam is only 3-3.5 hours flight from India.
Now, this report was an apparent report written by JKG and mailed to Kennedy, JKG starts off by saying "here's my full analysis" in his letter to the president and it reflects the letter by this transcript correct? However, the letter in question does not exist at the JFK Library or NARA, neither have a copy of JKG's "letter" analysis other then what you have provided here in this package. Now, someone lied to someone and this information ended up in this package, why is that so hard to believe? Have I not said it any clearer in any of my past posts or is this what you're going to hanging onto?
Wouldn't you think that if such a letter did exist that it would have been exploded by everyone because it's such an important piece of information that it, along with these transcripts would have also been published, wouldn't you think?
Here's the problem, whoever did this didn't think someone would ask for the letter.
09-03-2016, 06:41 AM (This post was last modified: 09-03-2016, 07:01 AM by Tom Scully.)
Scott Kaiser Wrote:...............
Let me try this in a different way the information you posted here is information complied by corresponds apparently between JFK and JKG. And, what this information is suggesting is that prior to Kennedy sending JKG to India as the Ambassador to India he should stop by Vietnam and report to JFK about the ongoing situation, and why wouldn't he if Vietnam is only 3-3.5 hours flight from India.
Now, this report was an apparent report written by JKG and mailed to Kennedy, JKG starts off by saying "here's my full analysis" in his letter to the president and it reflects the letter by this transcript correct? However, the letter in question does not exist at the JFK Library or NARA, neither have a copy of JKG's "letter" analysis other then what you have provided here in this package. Now, someone lied to someone and this information ended up in this package, why is that so hard to believe? Have I not said it any clearer in any of my past posts or is this what you're going to hanging onto?
I'll stay up late, anticipating an apology!
Tom Scully Wrote:
Scott Kaiser Wrote:I do apologize, I said there are letters of Galbraith reporting to the president of the urgency to reconsider Vietnam, I sincerely believed there was, however, I cannot find one, does that also discredit me? I don't know, however, I did, though all the hoopla and posts by many top notch researchers come to believe as they did that Galbraith did write a letter regarding Vietnam, sadly, there is none.
~Scott Kaiser
Scott, I am bothering to present the evidence that should influence you (if you were a reasonable person) to hide your head in shame and apologize, then fall silent, and contemplate your methods!
The following are arranged in chronological order, from November 3, 1961.:
209. Paper Prepared by the Ambassador to India (Galbraith)[SUP]1[/SUP]
Washington, November 3, 1961.
A PLAN FOR SOUTH VIETNAM
The situation in South Viet-Nam is perilously close to the point of no return. Serious thought is being given to a military operation in South Viet-Nam which would entail all the risks of the operation in Korea of ten years ago, without the justification of a surprise attack across the boundary, without the support of the United Nations, and without a population determined to fight for independence. This paper suggests a United States program which would entail neither abandonment of South Viet-Nam nor a major military involvement on our part. e between North and South Viet-Nam along the lines of interzonal trade in Germany, when peaceful conditions make this possible.....
.......... [SUP]1[/SUP] Source: Kennedy Library, President's Office File, Viet-Nam Country Series, Security 1961. Secret. The source text was attached to a signed letter of November 3 from Galbraith to the President, which reads in full: "You asked for my views on Vietnam. They are set forth in this paper. I might add that they are shared by Abe Chayes, who has collaborated with me in preparing the paper." Galbraith was in Washington for the State visit of Prime Minister Nehru
.........
Tom Scully Wrote:
Scott Kaiser Wrote:Tom, You may post your 10 mile long post, and [try] to save face too, what's left of it, you're slowly discrediting yourself the more you post, but, by all means post away. I know it's hard for you to understand, and I don't blame you, big words may be difficult to pronounce. That's okay Tom, still, you'll post away. I don't expect you to understand those letters you posted are forgery. Have a good day Tom.
Oh, and if you decide to follow up with a post after this one, I will completely discredit you, it's your choice Tom.
~Scott Kaiser
P.S. Tracy, the Newman statement was for Jim.
Scott Kaiser Wrote:I do apologize, I said there are letters of Galbraith reporting to the president of the urgency to reconsider Vietnam, I sincerely believed there was, however, I cannot find one, does that also discredit me? I don't know, however, I did, though all the hoopla and posts by many top notch researchers come to believe as they did that Galbraith did write a letter regarding Vietnam, sadly, there is none.
~Scott Kaiser
"Training wheels" version, chronological order -
Scott, I am bothering to present the evidence (again, see page 1, bottom, of this thread) that should influence you (if you were a reasonable person) to hide your head in shame and apologize, then fall silent, and contemplate your methods!
The following are arranged in chronological order, from November 3, 1961.:
209. Paper Prepared by the Ambassador to India (Galbraith)[SUP]1[/SUP]
Washington, November 3, 1961.
A PLAN FOR SOUTH VIETNAM
The situation in South Viet-Nam is perilously close to the point of no return.....
....... [SUP]1[/SUP] Source: Kennedy Library, President's Office File, Viet-Nam Country Series, Security 1961. Secret. The source text was attached to a signed letter of November 3 from Galbraith to the President, which reads in full: "You asked for my views on Vietnam. They are set forth in this paper. I might add that they are shared by Abe Chayes, who has collaborated with me in preparing the paper." Galbraith was in Washington for the State visit of Prime Minister Nehru
............
Scott, if I had known you have no reading comprehension skills, I would not have wasted my time presenting a condensed
version, after you complained about the length of my first attempt to inform you with primary sources. You are too lazy to confirm when Galbraith even began his service as U.S. Ambassador to India! I presented this twice to you, as I have proved above.:
Quote:[SUP]1[/SUP] Source: Kennedy Library, President's Office File, Viet-Nam Country Series, Security 1961. Secret. The source text was attached to a signed letter of November 3 from Galbraith to the President, which reads in full: "You asked for my views on Vietnam. They are set forth in this paper. I might add that they are shared by Abe Chayes, who has collaborated with me in preparing the paper." Galbraith was in Washington for the State visit of Prime Minister Nehru
See: John Kenneth Galbraith: His Life, His Politics, His Economics
Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.
Scott Kaiser Wrote:...............
Let me try this in a different way the information you posted here is information complied by corresponds apparently between JFK and JKG. And, what this information is suggesting is that prior to Kennedy sending JKG to India as the Ambassador to India he should stop by Vietnam and report to JFK about the ongoing situation, and why wouldn't he if Vietnam is only 3-3.5 hours flight from India.
Now, this report was an apparent report written by JKG and mailed to Kennedy, JKG starts off by saying "here's my full analysis" in his letter to the president and it reflects the letter by this transcript correct? However, the letter in question does not exist at the JFK Library or NARA, neither have a copy of JKG's "letter" analysis other then what you have provided here in this package. Now, someone lied to someone and this information ended up in this package, why is that so hard to believe? Have I not said it any clearer in any of my past posts or is this what you're going to hanging onto?
I'll stay up late, anticipating an apology!
Tom Scully Wrote:
Scott Kaiser Wrote:I do apologize, I said there are letters of Galbraith reporting to the president of the urgency to reconsider Vietnam, I sincerely believed there was, however, I cannot find one, does that also discredit me? I don't know, however, I did, though all the hoopla and posts by many top notch researchers come to believe as they did that Galbraith did write a letter regarding Vietnam, sadly, there is none.
~Scott Kaiser
Scott, I am bothering to present the evidence that should influence you (if you were a reasonable person) to hide your head in shame and apologize, then fall silent, and contemplate your methods!
The following are arranged in chronological order, from November 3, 1961.:
.........
Tom Scully Wrote:"Training wheels" version, chronological order -
Scott, I am bothering to present the evidence (again, see page 1, bottom, of this thread) that should influence you (if you were a reasonable person) to hide your head in shame and apologize, then fall silent, and contemplate your methods!
The following are arranged in chronological order, from November 3, 1961.:
209. Paper Prepared by the Ambassador to India (Galbraith)[SUP]1[/SUP]
Washington, November 3, 1961.
A PLAN FOR SOUTH VIETNAM
The situation in South Viet-Nam is perilously close to the point of no return.....
....... [SUP]1[/SUP] Source: Kennedy Library, President's Office File, Viet-Nam Country Series, Security 1961. Secret. The source text was attached to a signed letter of November 3 from Galbraith to the President, which reads in full: "You asked for my views on Vietnam. They are set forth in this paper. I might add that they are shared by Abe Chayes, who has collaborated with me in preparing the paper." Galbraith was in Washington for the State visit of Prime Minister Nehru
............
Scott, if I had known you have no reading comprehension skills, I would not have wasted my time presenting a condensed
version, after you complained about the length of my first attempt to inform you with primary sources. You are too lazy to confirm when Galbraith even began his service as U.S. Ambassador to India! I presented this twice to you, as I have proved above.:
Quote:[SUP]1[/SUP] Source: Kennedy Library, President's Office File, Viet-Nam Country Series, Security 1961. Secret. The source text was attached to a signed letter of November 3 from Galbraith to the President, which reads in full: "You asked for my views on Vietnam. They are set forth in this paper. I might add that they are shared by Abe Chayes, who has collaborated with me in preparing the paper." Galbraith was in Washington for the State visit of Prime Minister Nehru
Okay, again allow me to try this in a different way, your next post to me better be the letter itself, with JKG's signature at the bottom as he has always signed his letters with his stationary letter head otherwise everything else that your posting is nothing but false disseminated information over the years. Tom can you do that, it's real simply Tom, can you see how easy it is for you to post this information you've been providing from the getgo that all I ask of you is to now provide me the letter. Listen Tom, allow me to repeat myself because understand does not seem to be one of your strong suites. Now Tom, please don't provide another book or another transcript, Tom, please provide me the letter can you do that for me Tom? Thanks!
Tom, tell you what, and I'll make this a bit more interesting for you, if within your next post you can provide me the actual letter, I will bare my assets in the middle in downtown San Antonio and post it on Facebook. Deal?
Scott Kaiser Wrote:...........
Okay, again allow me to try this in a different way, your next post to me better be the letter itself, with JKG's signature at the bottom as he has always signed his letters with his stationary letter head otherwise everything else that your posting is nothing but false disseminated information over the years. Tom can you do that, it's real simply Tom, can you see how easy it is for you to post this information you've been providing from the getgo that all I ask of you is to now provide me the letter. Listen Tom, allow me to repeat myself because understand does not seem to be one of your strong suites. Now Tom, please don't provide another book or another transcript, Tom, please provide me the letter can you do that for me Tom? Thanks!
Scott Kaiser Wrote:Tom, tell you what, and I'll make this a bit more interesting for you, if within your next post you can provide me the actual letter, I will bare my assets in the middle in downtown San Antonio and post it on Facebook. Deal?
I've posted this three times already, Scott....(slaps my fore.....) It is a cable..... all communication to JFK from Ambassadors in Asia is by cable....no letterhead, no stationary, no signature !!!! Dated November 20, 1963... traveled from Washington, D.C. to Saigon, after three days in Saigon, sent this cable on November 20 , to CIA and on to JFK:
Primary Source, Scott :.pdf pg 435, second link below, found at first link.... [size=12]archives.gov, hence a primary source. Is an interpreter available to assist you?[/SIZE]
pgs. 1 of 9 and 9 of 9, (i.e., first and last pages) images of second letter (cable) from Galbraith to JFK, dated 21 November, 1963 (.pdf pgs. 439 & 447) Same link as above.: PRIMARY SOURCE: https://nara-media-001.s3.amazonaws.com/...Book-I.pdf
Scott Kaiser Wrote:Here we go again! When I ask for a reference next time please don't give me books, I prefer minute meetings or FOIA documents that can explain everything a little more clearer. ....
Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.
