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Coup Underway in Turkey
A lengthy insight into the sort of establishment balls which prevails in the land of the Exceptional Ones. The hypocrisy and dishonesty is simply, er, laughable:

[video=youtube_share;KNRrqjCz9n0]http://youtu.be/KNRrqjCz9n0[/video]

Published on Jul 27, 2016
Craig Kennedy, Eric Brown, Peter Rough, and Hillel Fradkin discuss the geostrategic ramifications of the failed coup and political crisis in Turkey.
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"

Joseph Fouche
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Top USA National Security Officials Admit Turkey Coup

F. William Engdahl

31 August 2016

http://journal-neo.org/2016/08/31/top-us...rkey-coup/

Quote:While the Obama Administration and the CIA officially cling to the fig leaf lie that US intelligence was innocent of any involvement in the failed July 15 coup d' etat attempt by the CIA-run Fethullah Gülen organization in Turkey, the truth is coming out from senior US intelligence insiders themselves. It reflects a huge internal faction struggle within US leading circles in what by all accounts is shaping to be the most bizarre Presidential election year in American history.

The first admission that US intelligence had their hand in the anti-Erdogan coup, a coup launched just days after Erdogan announced a major strategic shift away from NATO and towards Russia, came from Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski is one of the most senior members of the US intelligence establishment, a former Obama Presidential adviser and former National Security Council architect of the Jimmy Carter 1979 Mujahideen Afghanistan terror operations against the Soviet forces in that country.

In a Twitter tweet from his own blog, Brzezinski wrote a precis of a new article he wrote for The American Interest magazine. He writes, "The US backing of the attempted coup against the Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was a grave mistake that could deliver a major blow to the US reputation." That's definitely putting it mildly given what's unfolding in Turkey since July 15.

Brzezinski went on to write, "Turkey was on the verge of reconsidering its foreign policy after failure in the Syria during the last five years, and the US miscalculation in supporting the coup and hosting its leader (Fethullah Gülen, now in CIA-arranged exile in Pennsylvania-w.e.) was so serious that it is no longer possible to put the blame on once-US-ally Turkey if it turns its back on US and rethink (sic) its policies." He continues, "A potential Russia-Turkey-Iran coalition would create an opportunity to solve the Syrian crisis. If Erdogan had the smallest bit of wisdom, he should have come to the understanding that he could not make an independent credibility with the help of some decayed' Arab countries," no doubt referring to Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the prime financiers of the Syrian terror war against Assad since 2011.

Brzezinski, who together with Henry Kissinger was one of the foremost US foreign policy strategists of the postwar period, the founding Executive Director of David Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission, and one who still today presumably retains Top Secret clearance access to US intelligence reports, was expressing his fury at the utter incompetence of US intelligence in managing the Turkey relationship. Notably, the person in the US State Department directly responsible for not only the disastrous US coup in February, 2014 in Ukraine, but also for Turkey, is the hapless neo-con perpetual warrior-ess, Victoria "Fuck the EU" Nuland, wife of neo-con Robert Kagan.

Brzezinski's candid critique was followed up by an even more detailed expose of US intelligence ties to Fethullah Gülen, charged by the Turkish government with treason and backing the July 15 coup. In a guest article in the EU online mgazine EurActiv.com dated 17 August, 2016, Arthur H. Hughes confirms the intimate links between Gülen and the CIA, noting that "Gülen fled to the US with the assistance of the diplomat Morton Abramovitz, CIA agents Graham Fuller and George Fidas, and the above-mentioned Fr. Alexander Karloutsos."

Gülen CIA friend Bartholomew I

Hughes' article is a bombshell in many respects, and most definitely in his detailing of the intimate ties between the CIA, Gülen and the current Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople, current Archbishop of Constantinople and Ecumenical Patriarch. Hughes described the above-mentioned Father Alexander Karloutsos:

"…one of the members of the American-Israeli lobby in the Constantinople Patriarchate is Father Alexander Karloutsos, Public Affairs Officer close to Archbishop Demetrios (of America-w.e.). Thanks to his ties with high-level officials and Greek-American billionaires, he is basically the only person who controls the money flows from the US to the Phanar (the Greek Orthodox part of Istanbul-w.e.), and that gives him wide possibilities of exerting pressure upon the Ecumenical Patriarchate. On the other hand, Karloutsos is also in good relations with former CIA Director George Tenet, and with the preacher Fethullah Gülen cooperating with the American intelligence."

George Tenet, a close ally of the Clinton political machine is a Greek-American former head of CIA during the time of Bill Clinton and also George W. Bush. The Clintons are both on record praising Fethullah Gülen. It seems to be a cozy network of CIA-Gülen-Constantinople Patriarchate-Clintons, all financed with "money from Greek-American billionaires."

Arthur H. Hughes is not a casual commentator on events in Turkey and the Middle East. He was US Ambassador to Yemen in the 1990's during the Clinton Presidency, then Deputy Assistant to the Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs. He also served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Near East and South Asia, and was Deputy Chief of Mission in Tel Aviv. His linking of Gülen to the CIA and to the Constantinople Patriarchate points to one of the least-public and most influential covert CIA-run networks in the world, the anti-Moscow Orthodox Patriarchate of Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople. Hughes suggests that if Erdogan and the Turkish government are serious about dealing with future coup threats, they should put the Constintanople Patriarchate under the magnifying glass.

As I've documented in my book, The Lost Hegemon: Whom the gods would destroy, Graham E. Fuller and George Fidas, both decades-long senior CIA officials managed to secure an extraordinary permanent residence in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania, over the loud formal objections of the US State Department, in 1999, when Gülen was about to be charged by the Turkish authorities for inciting treason.

Most recently, Fuller felt compelled to write on his blog that, indeed he did help Gülen obtain a US green card, but that no, Gülen was not behind the failed July 15 coup. However Turkish reports place Fuller and another senior CIA ally, Henri J. Barkey, at a luxury hotel on one of the Princes' Islands in the Sea of Marmara, some twenty minutes from Istanbul the night of the failed coup. In a subsequent appearance at a Washington think tank forum held by the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, a neo-con address whose chairman is former CIA director, neo-con James Woolsey III, Barkey and his host tried to make a feeble joke about his presence in Istanbul the night of the coup and his ties to Gülen.

For once, Brzezinski is right

The CIA-Gülen coup d'etat attempt to topple Erdogan after his turn towards rapprochement with Moscow was "a grave mistake." The consequences, aside from a massive crackkdown on Gülen networks and media inside Turkey, include an open dialogue of Erdogan and the Turkish government of Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım with Russia and now with Iran, about a "solution" to the Syrian war that would include Bashar al-Assad as at least a transition figure.

The Erdogan pivot East since the failed CIA coup has forced the Pentagon to quietly remove its nuclear warheads from Turkey's Incirlik airbase near the Syrian border to Romania. At the same time, Turkey's Prime Minister on August 20 stated to the media that Russia could possibly use Turkey's Incirlik Airbase if necessary, something that certainly produced more acute gas pains in Langley, Foggy Bottom (the more than fitting name for the US State Department headquarters), and the Obama White House.

July 15 may go down in history as one of the most decisive defeats of American global power projection, of the so-called New World Order of David Rockefeller and friends. If so, not a minute too soon for the prospect of a more peaceful world.
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"

Joseph Fouche
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This cited tweet might be a hoax. see: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread....ailed-Coup

One of the posters in that thread:

Quote:"Entire website in OP is fake. Contact is listed as: https://www.almasdarnews.com/contact/
Lorem Ipsum Press is licensed by Bionetwork Ltd. Our office is located within the company's building.

Address: Lorem 15 Str., 4844, Ipsum, State, UK
Phone: +30-2106019311


There is no Ipsum State, UK. Lorem Ipsum refers to a random text generator. http://www.lipsum.com/ "

Here's Brzezinki's page: https://twitter.com/zbig

This tweet doesn't appear on that page. Of course, it might have been removed by someone with the power to do that, but it seems unlikely that the US government would succeed in making a sustained effort to muffle such a respected elder statesman.

I think Engdahl has been taken for a ride.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
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Do we have any confirmation that America have moved their nukes from Incirlik to Romania?
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R.K. Locke Wrote:Do we have any confirmation that America have moved their nukes from Incirlik to Romania?
Not sure. Some schmoozing going on here:
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Deputy Secretary General in Romania outlines NATO's response to new security environment

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NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow outlined NATO's response to the new security environment in a speech at the Annual Meeting of Romanian Diplomacy in Bucharest on Monday (29 August 2016). Noting that challenges posed by Russia and from terrorism "will be with us for many years to come," he stressed that "NATO has always done what was necessary to protect the territory of its Allies and the freedom of its people."


Ambassador Vershbow welcomed the important contributions Romania is making to the Alliance, including through hosting key elements of NATO's missile defence system at Deveselu. "Romania's commitment to NATO is most clear in Afghanistan, where not only it is the sixth largest contributor of troops, but those troops are based in one of the most hostile areas," he said.
In response to challenges from the east, the Deputy Secretary General noted that NATO will enhance its forward presence in the eastern part of the Alliance, as well as in southeastern Europe, including Romania. An existing Romanian brigade has been offered as the framework for a multinational brigade, and will serve as a "focal point for extensive training of NATO forces in the region," he said. "That means more NATO forces, and more exercises and training, right here in Romania."
Ambassador Vershbow also outlined NATO's response to challenges from the south, highlighting that the Alliance will step up support for the US-led coalition to counter ISIL, increase its presence in the Mediterranean, and significantly strengthen support for partners in the Middle East and North Africa. He noted that NATO will soon begin training in Iraq. All of this will help "project stability beyond our borders," he said.
While in Bucharest, the Deputy Secretary General was awarded the prestigious "Star of Romania" by President Klaus Werner Iohannis, honouring Ambassador Vershbow's years of service to international security. Ambassador Vershbow also met and addressed the media with Foreign Minister Lazăr Comănescu.

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_134500.htm

Romania says 'No' But US bases are not very popular there so they would say that.

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Romania Denies Accepting US Nuclear Weapons

Bucharest officials have denied media reports that US nuclear weapons stationed in Turkey are being transferred to Romania after the coup attempt against the Ankara government.

Marian Chiriac
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The Romanian foreign ministry, MAE on Thursday dismissed claims that the US has started transferring nuclear weapons from Turkey to Romania amid tensions in relations between Washington and Ankara.

"The MAE firmly rejects these pieces of information," the ministry said in a press release, without elaborating.

Defence Minister Mihnea Motoc said that such media reports were just speculation and "so far there have not been any plans or discussions [among NATO members] on this topic".

The statements came after website Euractiv reported on Thursday morning that more than 20 B61 nuclear weapons were being moved from Turkey's Incirlik air base to the Deveselu base in Romania.

According to one of the two anonymous sources quoted by Euractiv, "US-Turkey relations had deteriorated so much following the [recent attempted] coup that Washington no longer trusted Ankara to host the weapons".
US and Turkish officials made no immediate response to Euractiv's request for a comment.
NATO said however that US allies must ensure that "all components of NATO's nuclear deterrent remain safe, secure, and effective".
In Romania, analysts said they doubted whether the transfer would happen.
"Such a transfer is very challenging in technical and political terms. I doubt the Alliance would run against its political commitments to cooperation with Moscow, based on the Founding Act of mutual relations and security between NATO and Russia," said political analist Andrei Tarnea.
The Founding Act, signed in 1997, says NATO allies "have no intention, no plan and no reason to deploy nuclear weapons on the territory of new members [such as Romania], nor any need to change any aspect of NATO's nuclear posture or nuclear policy - and do not foresee any future need to do so".
Jeffrey Lewis, director of non-proliferation studies at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies in Monterey, said in a Twitter post that Romania does not have the capacity to store the weapons.
"For one thing, there are no WS3 vaults at Deveselu - or anywhere in Romania - to store the B61s," Lewis said.
In December 2015, the US Navy formally inaugurated its new missile defence base in Deveselu in southern Romania. The base became operational in mid-May this year.
It is one of two European land-based interceptor sites for a NATO missile shield, a scheme which is viewed with deep suspicion by Russia.
Russia has warned Romania to abandon the anti-missile system that the US is installing at Deveselu.
Relations between Bucharest and Moscow are already rocky. Romania has been among the strongest regional backers of the package of Western sanctions imposed on Russia in connection with the crisis in Crimea and eastern Ukraine.
Romania also hosts another major US military base, at Mihail Kogalniceanu airport, near the Black Sea, which became operational in 2007.
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/...08-18-2016

And Foreign Policy is denying it but they are basing theirs on the Romanian government statement (Paywalled)
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/19/no-...o-romania/
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RUSSIA, SYRIA, AND TURKEY HAVE AGREED ON JOINT OPERATIONS IN SYRIA

Valentin Vasilescu

01.09.2016

http://katehon.com/article/russia-syria-...ions-syria

Quote:If Russia wanted to, it could deploy three armored divisions to Syria within 72 hours and thereby permanently solve the problem of Islamist rebels. The US could do the same in its pursuit of removing Bashar al-Assad from power. Therefore, the two powers' involvement in Syria and the fighting has been done mostly by proxies, while each of the two great powers tries to cheat the other. This balance was disturbed by the Turkish military intervention in Northern Syria. The intervention could have ruined the rules established between the US and Russia. However, things were clarified and there was an unexpected chance to rapidly conclude hostilities in Syria.

After August 24th, 2016, the date that the Turkish army launched the operation around the town Jarablus, several rounds of talks, the latest of which was in Baghdad, were held between Russian, Syrian, and Turkish officers on limiting and controlling Turkey's actions. After the failed coup, Turkey is no longer the aggressive Turkey that downed the Russian Su-24 jet at the end of 2015. Therefore, Turkish sources say that a consensus on more points was achieved in the end in terms of limiting the Turkish "Euphrates Shield" operation to Northern Syria in accordance with Syrian interests. Russian army staff officers were accepted as "referees" to help control the planners of the Turkish Euphrates Shield operation.

The first point imposed on Turkey was a threshold in terms of forces deployed by the Turkish army in Syria, which is not to exceed 8,000 soldiers (two mechanized brigades, an artillery regiment, a battalion of special forces, a squadron of F-16, and a mixed one formed from helicopters, amphibious assault and transport vehicles).

The second agreed point was the area in Syria where the Turkish military may move to eliminate Islamic State fighters. This is a strip between the cities of Quarah Koubri and Jarablus (90 km) with a depth of 30 km from the Turkish-Syrian border. At the same time, Turkey has committed to not allow rebel FSA (Free Syrian Army) militants to act in this strip independently, without orders from Turkish army units.

Although the Syrian army intervened in defense of Kurdish YPG fighters surrounded by Islamist rebels in the Sheikh Maqsoud district of Aleppo on August 21st, 2016, the YPG attacked the Syrian army in the city of al-Hasakah, conquering it. Therefore, also included in the second set of points is that the Turkish army has permission from the Syrian government to evacuate from the eastern bank of the Euphrates (even in battle) Kurdish rebels (YPG) who conquered the city of Manbij from the Islamic State with the help of US special forces. Russian S-400 missile systems will not bring down Turkish aircraft flying beyond the 90x30 km strip if they are acting against PKK terrorists.

The third point agreed upon means the withdrawal of most rebel groups controlled by the Turkish intelligence services in the battle zones around the city of Aleppo and in the Latakia governate. This maneuver will help the Syrian army achieve final victory in the battle for Aleppo.

Turkey pledges that when the offensive of Iranian volunteers and Syrian army to encircle and liquidate the Islamic State starts, then the Turks will execute a maneuver of forces and means together with the Syrian army. No matter what actions the Kurds will take against the Islamic State, Turkey will create a safety cordon along the Syrian-Turkish border to prevent the dispersal of Islamic State fighters to other countries.
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"

Joseph Fouche
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Paul Rigby Wrote:Top USA National Security Officials Admit Turkey Coup

F. William Engdahl

31 August 2016

http://journal-neo.org/2016/08/31/top-us...rkey-coup/

Quote:While the Obama Administration and the CIA officially cling to the fig leaf lie that US intelligence was innocent of any involvement in the failed July 15 coup d' etat attempt by the CIA-run Fethullah Gülen organization in Turkey, the truth is coming out from senior US intelligence insiders themselves. It reflects a huge internal faction struggle within US leading circles in what by all accounts is shaping to be the most bizarre Presidential election year in American history.

The first admission that US intelligence had their hand in the anti-Erdogan coup, a coup launched just days after Erdogan announced a major strategic shift away from NATO and towards Russia, came from Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski is one of the most senior members of the US intelligence establishment, a former Obama Presidential adviser and former National Security Council architect of the Jimmy Carter 1979 Mujahideen Afghanistan terror operations against the Soviet forces in that country.

In a Twitter tweet from his own blog, Brzezinski wrote a precis of a new article he wrote for The American Interest magazine. He writes, "The US backing of the attempted coup against the Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was a grave mistake that could deliver a major blow to the US reputation." That's definitely putting it mildly given what's unfolding in Turkey since July 15.

Brzezinski went on to write, "Turkey was on the verge of reconsidering its foreign policy after failure in the Syria during the last five years, and the US miscalculation in supporting the coup and hosting its leader (Fethullah Gülen, now in CIA-arranged exile in Pennsylvania-w.e.) was so serious that it is no longer possible to put the blame on once-US-ally Turkey if it turns its back on US and rethink (sic) its policies." He continues, "A potential Russia-Turkey-Iran coalition would create an opportunity to solve the Syrian crisis. If Erdogan had the smallest bit of wisdom, he should have come to the understanding that he could not make an independent credibility with the help of some decayed' Arab countries," no doubt referring to Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the prime financiers of the Syrian terror war against Assad since 2011.

Brzezinski, who together with Henry Kissinger was one of the foremost US foreign policy strategists of the postwar period, the founding Executive Director of David Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission, and one who still today presumably retains Top Secret clearance access to US intelligence reports, was expressing his fury at the utter incompetence of US intelligence in managing the Turkey relationship. Notably, the person in the US State Department directly responsible for not only the disastrous US coup in February, 2014 in Ukraine, but also for Turkey, is the hapless neo-con perpetual warrior-ess, Victoria "Fuck the EU" Nuland, wife of neo-con Robert Kagan.

Brzezinski's candid critique was followed up by an even more detailed expose of US intelligence ties to Fethullah Gülen, charged by the Turkish government with treason and backing the July 15 coup. In a guest article in the EU online mgazine EurActiv.com dated 17 August, 2016, Arthur H. Hughes confirms the intimate links between Gülen and the CIA, noting that "Gülen fled to the US with the assistance of the diplomat Morton Abramovitz, CIA agents Graham Fuller and George Fidas, and the above-mentioned Fr. Alexander Karloutsos."

Gülen CIA friend Bartholomew I

Hughes' article is a bombshell in many respects, and most definitely in his detailing of the intimate ties between the CIA, Gülen and the current Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople, current Archbishop of Constantinople and Ecumenical Patriarch. Hughes described the above-mentioned Father Alexander Karloutsos:

"…one of the members of the American-Israeli lobby in the Constantinople Patriarchate is Father Alexander Karloutsos, Public Affairs Officer close to Archbishop Demetrios (of America-w.e.). Thanks to his ties with high-level officials and Greek-American billionaires, he is basically the only person who controls the money flows from the US to the Phanar (the Greek Orthodox part of Istanbul-w.e.), and that gives him wide possibilities of exerting pressure upon the Ecumenical Patriarchate. On the other hand, Karloutsos is also in good relations with former CIA Director George Tenet, and with the preacher Fethullah Gülen cooperating with the American intelligence."

George Tenet, a close ally of the Clinton political machine is a Greek-American former head of CIA during the time of Bill Clinton and also George W. Bush. The Clintons are both on record praising Fethullah Gülen. It seems to be a cozy network of CIA-Gülen-Constantinople Patriarchate-Clintons, all financed with "money from Greek-American billionaires."

Arthur H. Hughes is not a casual commentator on events in Turkey and the Middle East. He was US Ambassador to Yemen in the 1990's during the Clinton Presidency, then Deputy Assistant to the Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs. He also served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Near East and South Asia, and was Deputy Chief of Mission in Tel Aviv. His linking of Gülen to the CIA and to the Constantinople Patriarchate points to one of the least-public and most influential covert CIA-run networks in the world, the anti-Moscow Orthodox Patriarchate of Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople. Hughes suggests that if Erdogan and the Turkish government are serious about dealing with future coup threats, they should put the Constintanople Patriarchate under the magnifying glass.

As I've documented in my book, The Lost Hegemon: Whom the gods would destroy, Graham E. Fuller and George Fidas, both decades-long senior CIA officials managed to secure an extraordinary permanent residence in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania, over the loud formal objections of the US State Department, in 1999, when Gülen was about to be charged by the Turkish authorities for inciting treason.

Most recently, Fuller felt compelled to write on his blog that, indeed he did help Gülen obtain a US green card, but that no, Gülen was not behind the failed July 15 coup. However Turkish reports place Fuller and another senior CIA ally, Henri J. Barkey, at a luxury hotel on one of the Princes' Islands in the Sea of Marmara, some twenty minutes from Istanbul the night of the failed coup. In a subsequent appearance at a Washington think tank forum held by the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, a neo-con address whose chairman is former CIA director, neo-con James Woolsey III, Barkey and his host tried to make a feeble joke about his presence in Istanbul the night of the coup and his ties to Gülen.

For once, Brzezinski is right

The CIA-Gülen coup d'etat attempt to topple Erdogan after his turn towards rapprochement with Moscow was "a grave mistake." The consequences, aside from a massive crackkdown on Gülen networks and media inside Turkey, include an open dialogue of Erdogan and the Turkish government of Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım with Russia and now with Iran, about a "solution" to the Syrian war that would include Bashar al-Assad as at least a transition figure.

The Erdogan pivot East since the failed CIA coup has forced the Pentagon to quietly remove its nuclear warheads from Turkey's Incirlik airbase near the Syrian border to Romania. At the same time, Turkey's Prime Minister on August 20 stated to the media that Russia could possibly use Turkey's Incirlik Airbase if necessary, something that certainly produced more acute gas pains in Langley, Foggy Bottom (the more than fitting name for the US State Department headquarters), and the Obama White House.

July 15 may go down in history as one of the most decisive defeats of American global power projection, of the so-called New World Order of David Rockefeller and friends. If so, not a minute too soon for the prospect of a more peaceful world.

Blimey, I go away for a few days and Brzezinski drops the dime on the Turkey coup.

It also seems to me that there is a real factional struggle going on to rid the Washington of the neocon blight. If this suspicion is correct and the well informed and knowledgeable Engdahl is accurate in his above assessment, then I'd applaud those who are behind putting these vampires to death - because if left to their own devices they are quite capable of starting WWIII. I imagine that it is this madness that is galvanizing matters...
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R.K. Locke Wrote:Do we have any confirmation that America have moved their nukes from Incirlik to Romania?

I'd be astonished of they hadn't moved them from Incirlik. Whether they went to Romania... who knows? Madness is as madness does.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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David Guyatt Wrote:Blimey, I go away for a few days and Brzezinski drops the dime on the Turkey coup.

That "tweet" was a hoax. Here's Brzezinki's page: [URL="https://twitter.com/zbig"]https://twitter.com/zbig
[/URL]
His latest tweet:

"A stabilizing Sunni power is needed; however, the possible states Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia are increasingly unfit or unwilling to lead."
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
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Drew Phipps Wrote:This cited tweet might be a hoax. see: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread....ailed-Coup

One of the posters in that thread:

Quote:"Entire website in OP is fake. Contact is listed as: https://www.almasdarnews.com/contact/
Lorem Ipsum Press is licensed by Bionetwork Ltd. Our office is located within the company's building.

Address: Lorem 15 Str., 4844, Ipsum, State, UK
Phone: +30-2106019311


There is no Ipsum State, UK. Lorem Ipsum refers to a random text generator. http://www.lipsum.com/ "

Here's Brzezinki's page: https://twitter.com/zbig

This tweet doesn't appear on that page. Of course, it might have been removed by someone with the power to do that, but it seems unlikely that the US government would succeed in making a sustained effort to muffle such a respected elder statesman.

I think Engdahl has been taken for a ride.

I think you're right, Drew, Engdahl has been stitched up. Lorem Ipsum Press is said to be owned by Bionetwork Ltd (sounds like a Brit outfit to me) HERE, which has an address in Athens, Greece (HERE). As we can see there are several faux businesses that have that address - including what appears to be off-the-shelf blogs (see HERE).

In addition to the fake Brzezinski tweet that is linked in his article, Engdahl also linked to another article, supposedly by Fr. Alexander Karloutsos, which is now showing as "unpublished" due to it being also a fake (see HERE).

Interesting the words "Lorem Ipsum" derive from a scrambled Latin text by Cicero "with words altered, added and removed to make it nonsensical, improper latin" (HERE). Significantly, I think, the words lorem ipsum are translated as "pain itself". Also significantly, the same two words are used in the printing trade as 'filler text" which is erroneously known as "Greek copy" (HERE) ---- hence obviously the address in Athens.

Also very interesting, for me anyway, is the fact that the words lorem ipsum are an abbreviation of the longer De finibus bonorum et malorum meaning literally "On the ends of good and evil" by, as I mentioned earlier, Cicero (HERE). There are a number of possible occult angles that might be inferred here...

In conclusion, I think it highly likely that Engdahl was designedly set up and was made aware of the links he used in his article (probably via a trusted source either possibly unwittingly) in order to damage his credibility. Were I to point fingers on who was responsible it would certainly be aiming towards elements of the intelligence community - the message about "pain itself" being of relevance here, in this case... ego pain.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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