A couple of days ago I made a post on facebook about Ms. Baker and it stirred up a real shitstorm. In light of the fact that she is now putting on multiple conferences - after saying for years she was in fear of her life and could never come to the US and needed donations from friends to stay alive- I thought I'd pose the question of her on this forum. She has a lot of "true believers' on facebook, which I found surprising.
So who is she? A true witness or something else? I say "something else".
We proved in the Amazon comments section that Judyth Baker was lying about Oswald returning from Mexico and explaining his visit to the Cuban Consulate to her. Since David Josephs and others, including DiEugenio, have pretty much proven Oswald never went to the Cuban Consulate, that pretty much proves Judy Baker has been caught lying. OR - Oswald used her to promote his being set up by referring to the set-up as real. But this speculation doesn't make sense, because if Oswald was going to cooperate that much with Intel then he probably just would have gone to the Consulate himself. No, as Josephs outlines, the Mexico visit was almost certainly an attempt to set Oswald up as a pro-Castro assassin. However there is one more possibility. JVB doesn't realize she was dating the real Lee Harvey Oswald and HE was setting up Harvey by saying he visited the Consulate. But this gets tangled once again by JVB claiming she spoke Russian with Oswald in the line at the post office. Harvey is the one who spoke Russian. You might further speculate that Harvey WAS who she spoke to in that line, but then you have to consider that any woman who claims to be as close as JVB does to Oswald wouldn't miss the difference between the two doubles.
What my instincts tell me, and I might be wrong, is that JVB conforms to an Intel agent whose original assignment was to muddy up Oswald in case anyone like Armstrong ever got close. She's now carrying out that assignment and its purpose more than ever. What scares me the most about her is some of her witnessing could be true. And if true that witnessing is being used as live bait in a desperate limited hang-out designed to make us all look like nuts.
17-11-2016, 08:13 PM (This post was last modified: 17-11-2016, 08:30 PM by Scott Kaiser.)
Albert Doyle Wrote:We proved in the Amazon comments section that Judyth Baker was lying about Oswald returning from Mexico and explaining his visit to the Cuban Consulate to her. Since David Josephs and others, including DiEugenio, have pretty much proven Oswald never went to the Cuban Consulate, that pretty much proves Judy Baker has been caught lying. OR - Oswald used her to promote his being set up by referring to the set-up as real. But this speculation doesn't make sense, because if Oswald was going to cooperate that much with Intel then he probably just would have gone to the Consulate himself. No, as Josephs outlines, the Mexico visit was almost certainly an attempt to set Oswald up as a pro-Castro assassin. However there is one more possibility. JVB doesn't realize she was dating the real Lee Harvey Oswald and HE was setting up Harvey by saying he visited the Consulate. But this gets tangled once again by JVB claiming she spoke Russian with Oswald in the line at the post office. Harvey is the one who spoke Russian. You might further speculate that Harvey WAS who she spoke to in that line, but then you have to consider that any woman who claims to be as close as JVB does to Oswald wouldn't miss the difference between the two doubles.
What my instincts tell me, and I might be wrong, is that JVB conforms to an Intel agent whose original assignment was to muddy up Oswald in case anyone like Armstrong ever got close. She's now carrying out that assignment and its purpose more than ever. What scares me the most about her is some of her witnessing could be true. And if true that witnessing is being used as live bait in a desperate limited hang-out designed to make us all look like nuts.
Im sorry, but I can't keep this inside anymore, I also asked that my membership be revoked which will keep me from posting in the furture.
I don't know if JVB ever met Oswald in any line at some post office, nor have I ever heard her say one word in Russian.
I don't know where someone comes up with an Oswald double named Harvey in Mexico.
But, what I do know about the Mexico incident is this. The CIA did have Richard Poyle who did resemble Lee Harvey Oswald visit Mexico the day before Kennedy was assassinated, I do know that Poyle infiltrated my father because of the photos my father stole from the CIA, and I do know that the CIA sent Poyle into Cuba in 1966 along with Tony Cuesta where they were all caught and later released by Fidel Castro.
Poyle was not suppose to return to the United States, he was either to serve a life term in Cuba or face the firing squad for treason.
Anyone reading this, you may take what I'm saying as an ounce of grain of salt, or beleive me, or, you may beleieve what JVB has said or beleive Oswald had some double in Mexico named Harvey, the choice is yours.
And, Mr. Johnson I also ask you out of respect before you delete or move my posts that you please allow others to have an opportunity to read and follow up on what I've said, perhaps, people like you will help others to vinicate people like me.
Dawn Meredith Wrote:A couple of days ago I made a post on facebook about Ms. Baker and it stirred up a real shitstorm. In light of the fact that she is now putting on multiple conferences - after saying for years she was in fear of her life and could never come to the US and needed donations from friends to stay alive- I thought I'd pose the question of her on this forum. She has a lot of "true believers' on facebook, which I found surprising.
So who is she? A true witness or something else? I say "something else".
Dawn
She is a member here. Perhaps she will have some thing to say. But for sure others will speak for her.
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Albert Doyle Wrote:We proved in the Amazon comments section that Judyth Baker was lying about Oswald returning from Mexico and explaining his visit to the Cuban Consulate to her. Since David Josephs and others, including DiEugenio, have pretty much proven Oswald never went to the Cuban Consulate, that pretty much proves Judy Baker has been caught lying. OR - Oswald used her to promote his being set up by referring to the set-up as real. But this speculation doesn't make sense, because if Oswald was going to cooperate that much with Intel then he probably just would have gone to the Consulate himself. No, as Josephs outlines, the Mexico visit was almost certainly an attempt to set Oswald up as a pro-Castro assassin. However there is one more possibility. JVB doesn't realize she was dating the real Lee Harvey Oswald and HE was setting up Harvey by saying he visited the Consulate. But this gets tangled once again by JVB claiming she spoke Russian with Oswald in the line at the post office. Harvey is the one who spoke Russian. You might further speculate that Harvey WAS who she spoke to in that line, but then you have to consider that any woman who claims to be as close as JVB does to Oswald wouldn't miss the difference between the two doubles.
What my instincts tell me, and I might be wrong, is that JVB conforms to an Intel agent whose original assignment was to muddy up Oswald in case anyone like Armstrong ever got close. She's now carrying out that assignment and its purpose more than ever. What scares me the most about her is some of her witnessing could be true. And if true that witnessing is being used as live bait in a desperate limited hang-out designed to make us all look like nuts.
Im sorry, but I can't keep this inside anymore, I also asked that my membership be revoked which will keep me from posting in the furture.
I don't know if JVB ever met Oswald in any line at some post office, nor have I ever heard her say one word in Russian.
I don't know where someone comes up with an Oswald double named Harvey in Mexico.
But, what I do know about the Mexico incident is this. The CIA did have Richard Poyle who did resemble Lee Harvey Oswald visit Mexico the day before Kennedy was assassinated, I do know that Poyle infiltrated my father because of the photos my father stole from the CIA, and I do know that the CIA sent Poyle into Cuba in 1966 along with Tony Cuesta where they were all caught and later released by Fidel Castro.
Poyle was not suppose to return to the United States, he was either to serve a life term in Cuba or face the firing squad for treason.
Anyone reading this, you may take what I'm saying as an ounce of grain of salt, or beleive me, or, you may beleieve what JVB has said or beleive Oswald had some double in Mexico named Harvey, the choice is yours.
Scott... Starting at the beginning of November, FBI put the word out to over 20 informants and other assets within the Mexican government (they had a highly placed asset at Gobernacion) to find any trace of Oswald... Oswald was instead on a trip to Dallas thru Austin with two Cuban men. He was seen by the Odio sisters and true to form the FBI squashed the Odio story giving it just one mention to say that Odio must be wrong since Oswald was in Mexico...
Hopefully you are aware of the original stories related to his bus travel that came with a full assortment of evidence which was simply dropped and forgotten about once it was known that those plans would not get Oswald to TX in time for his Oct 3 TEC appt. So they simply changed the evidence and put him on another bus that would make it in time...
The inset is part of a memo from Hoover confirming this Frontera evidence of Oswald leaving Mexico was changed by Arturo Bosch and next to it is the direct testimony of the change and how quickly someone was at Frontera to take the evidence... all the evidence.
No Scott... the man Ruby killed was not in Mexico. If Poyle was there I fail to see the connection to the Lee Henry Oswald State Dept/CIA charade which backed Hoover's FBI into a corner over Odio.
Hoover even admits it himself in a candid note he left on a document.. see bottom image. With regards to JVB... let her explain the Reilly W-2 I've posted showing no such form existed in 1963 and why she'd have Copy B which is filed with the return unless it was all part of her cover... a cover that George Smathers helped maintain thru her college days and time obviously as she went from one cover job to another...
http://www.ctka.net/2015/JudythBaker-DJ.pdf is the work I wrote and Jim edited addressing the BEST of her evidence... and how her own friend betrays her on film while JVB is sitting in the same room...
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in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
18-11-2016, 06:19 PM (This post was last modified: 18-11-2016, 06:51 PM by Scott Kaiser.)
David Josephs Wrote:
Scott Kaiser Wrote:
Albert Doyle Wrote:We proved in the Amazon comments section that Judyth Baker was lying about Oswald returning from Mexico and explaining his visit to the Cuban Consulate to her. Since David Josephs and others, including DiEugenio, have pretty much proven Oswald never went to the Cuban Consulate, that pretty much proves Judy Baker has been caught lying. OR - Oswald used her to promote his being set up by referring to the set-up as real. But this speculation doesn't make sense, because if Oswald was going to cooperate that much with Intel then he probably just would have gone to the Consulate himself. No, as Josephs outlines, the Mexico visit was almost certainly an attempt to set Oswald up as a pro-Castro assassin. However there is one more possibility. JVB doesn't realize she was dating the real Lee Harvey Oswald and HE was setting up Harvey by saying he visited the Consulate. But this gets tangled once again by JVB claiming she spoke Russian with Oswald in the line at the post office. Harvey is the one who spoke Russian. You might further speculate that Harvey WAS who she spoke to in that line, but then you have to consider that any woman who claims to be as close as JVB does to Oswald wouldn't miss the difference between the two doubles.
What my instincts tell me, and I might be wrong, is that JVB conforms to an Intel agent whose original assignment was to muddy up Oswald in case anyone like Armstrong ever got close. She's now carrying out that assignment and its purpose more than ever. What scares me the most about her is some of her witnessing could be true. And if true that witnessing is being used as live bait in a desperate limited hang-out designed to make us all look like nuts.
Im sorry, but I can't keep this inside anymore, I also asked that my membership be revoked which will keep me from posting in the furture.
I don't know if JVB ever met Oswald in any line at some post office, nor have I ever heard her say one word in Russian.
I don't know where someone comes up with an Oswald double named Harvey in Mexico.
But, what I do know about the Mexico incident is this. The CIA did have Richard Poyle who did resemble Lee Harvey Oswald visit Mexico the day before Kennedy was assassinated, I do know that Poyle infiltrated my father because of the photos my father stole from the CIA, and I do know that the CIA sent Poyle into Cuba in 1966 along with Tony Cuesta where they were all caught and later released by Fidel Castro.
Poyle was not suppose to return to the United States, he was either to serve a life term in Cuba or face the firing squad for treason.
Anyone reading this, you may take what I'm saying as an ounce of grain of salt, or beleive me, or, you may beleieve what JVB has said or beleive Oswald had some double in Mexico named Harvey, the choice is yours.
Scott... Starting at the beginning of November, FBI put the word out to over 20 informants and other assets within the Mexican government (they had a highly placed asset at Gobernacion) to find any trace of Oswald... Oswald was instead on a trip to Dallas thru Austin with two Cuban men. He was seen by the Odio sisters and true to form the FBI squashed the Odio story giving it just one mention to say that Odio must be wrong since Oswald was in Mexico...
Hopefully you are aware of the original stories related to his bus travel that came with a full assortment of evidence which was simply dropped and forgotten about once it was known that those plans would not get Oswald to TX in time for his Oct 3 TEC appt. So they simply changed the evidence and put him on another bus that would make it in time...
The inset is part of a memo from Hoover confirming this Frontera evidence of Oswald leaving Mexico was changed by Arturo Bosch and next to it is the direct testimony of the change and how quickly someone was at Frontera to take the evidence... all the evidence.
No Scott... the man Ruby killed was not in Mexico. If Poyle was there I fail to see the connection to the Lee Henry Oswald State Dept/CIA charade which backed Hoover's FBI into a corner over Odio.
Hoover even admits it himself in a candid note he left on a document.. see bottom image. With regards to JVB... let her explain the Reilly W-2 I've posted showing no such form existed in 1963 and why she'd have Copy B which is filed with the return unless it was all part of her cover... a cover that George Smathers helped maintain thru her college days and time obviously as she went from one cover job to another...
http://www.ctka.net/2015/JudythBaker-DJ.pdf is the work I wrote and Jim edited addressing the BEST of her evidence... and how her own friend betrays her on film while JVB is sitting in the same room...
Quote:Starting at the beginning of November, FBI put the word out to over 20 informants and other assets within the Mexican government
Poyle was not FBI he was CIA.
Quote:No Scott... the man Ruby killed was not in Mexico. If Poyle was there? I fail to see the connection to the Lee Henry Oswald State Dept/CIA charade which backed Hoover's FBI into a corner over Odio.
I'm in the process of proving my case. I have given everyone here "partial evidence " I don't expect anyone to finish my work. This is personal and something I have to do on behalf of my father.
Interesting that JVB is posting on her Facebook page that her and Lee stayed at the Roosevelt Hotel in New Orleans. I don't have time to sift through the information on that claim but it is interesting since FBI switched the Roosevelt Hotel in New York with the one in New Orleans in order to avoid investigating the Armstrong Steve Landesberg doubles.
I might ask Walt Brown if I can post a few pages here from his work on JVB at some point. In his JFK assassination chronology, Brown collated the work of a couple of hundred JFK books into a date by date analysis of events leading up to the shooting, the day itself and the years that followed. Baker's book on Oswald was one of the volunes Brown selected, so in DYNASTY (his first, massive book covering events up to November 21st 1963) Brown pretty much went through Baker's book page by page (quoting long sections of it) and assessed her description of events with what other books and sources noted had been going on. Baker's book comes across horribly in the process, and Brown doesn't hold back in slamming it. Short summary for whatever it's worth - Baker is a fabulist making up stories for her own personal gain, and the majority of those stories are ludicrous on multiple levels.
Things have really livened up over there at Charles' 'Island of Elba'…. uh……… he seems to have……. issues. As do others, but…… don't we all ?
Gosh, if you look at the threads from even five years ago. the vibe was so different. What the heck happened?
