More proof Oswald not at the Cuban Embassy - LITAMIL-9

[David Josephs]

As you all know by now, I had written a few chapters about the Evidence related to the travel to and from Mexico despite Lopez proclaiming that the WCR got that part right.

They didn't. In fact, with the most recent release of docs, it becomes understood Oswald was not in Mexico.

I theorize he was actually traveling thru Austin to Dallas those days with 2 Cubans, arriving at Odio Friday and then at the Sports Drome that weekend.

An asset within the Cuban Embassy was LITAMIL-9 who reported to Lawrence Barker.

This link covers his reports from March 193 thru Dec 1963.
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/...-10266.pdf




Not only does L=9 repeated state Oswald was not there, but the link also has his reports from Sept 25th thru Oct 16th .... not one mentions the situation with Oswald. In fact, he mentions how Sylvia does not mention this man at all in her recounting of the story.

[Peter Lemkin]

Oswald WAS in M.C. a few months BEFORE that time - and some few people saw him there. There is endless mystery about the last visit because while I think he may have been in M.C. then too [or perhaps not - certainly not doing the things the CIA claimed he did], someone else was pretending to do the things he was doing to set him up. The problem with the paperwork from the Oswald in M.C. time is that the same people that were setting him up were creating and re-creating / destroying the paper trail. Trustworthy eyewitness or other proofs are better than govt docs in this instance IMHO. Nagell knew Oswald was in M.C. earlier - few others did, but Nagell had been detailed to trail Oswald everywhere he went to figure out who he was and who he was working for. But then one has to trust Nagell. I for one do. He tried very hard to tell the truth of what he knew of the plot [a hell of a lot!]....and it was NOT easy as 'they' kept threatening him - to take away his children and his own life. In the end, they did murder Nagell....the VERY day he had received a subpoena to appear in D.C. about the JFK assassination - something he had always said he'd not avoid. Few know that Garrison and Nagell met in NYC in Central Park. Garrison thought Nagell was the best evidence of the plot, but he knew he couldn't use him in his trial, as they'd not let him live to testify.

That said, yes, most of the fudged paperwork even makes the case against the plotters in M.C. - they didn't fudge the paperwork enough for all time - only enough for the short haul.....

[David Josephs]

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/...-10413.pdf

From the recent release.... less and less suggests that Oswald had anything at all to do with Mexico City

DJ

[David Josephs]

Oswald WAS in M.C. a few months BEFORE that time - and some few people saw him there. There is endless mystery about the last visit because while I think he may have been in M.C. then too [or perhaps not - certainly not doing the things the CIA claimed he did], someone else was pretending to do the things he was doing to set him up. The problem with the paperwork from the Oswald in M.C. time is that the same people that were setting him up were creating and re-creating / destroying the paper trail. Trustworthy eyewitness or other proofs are better than govt docs in this instance IMHO. Nagell knew Oswald was in M.C. earlier - few others did, but Nagell had been detailed to trail Oswald everywhere he went to figure out who he was and who he was working for. But then one has to trust Nagell. I for one do. He tried very hard to tell the truth of what he knew of the plot [a hell of a lot!]....and it was NOT easy as 'they' kept threatening him - to take away his children and his own life. In the end, they did murder Nagell....the VERY day he had received a subpoena to appear in D.C. about the JFK assassination - something he had always said he'd not avoid. Few know that Garrison and Nagell met in NYC in Central Park. Garrison thought Nagell was the best evidence of the plot, but he knew he couldn't use him in his trial, as they'd not let him live to testify.

That said, yes, most of the fudged paperwork even makes the case against the plotters in M.C. - they didn't fudge the paperwork enough for all time - only enough for the short haul.....

It is my understanding that the man you refer to was LEE Oswald and not the man Ruby killed.

I have little doubt LEE went both to Mexico and Cuba... and that's who Hoover is talking about...

What we are left with regards to Mexico City Evidence is exactly as Peter mentions...

[David Josephs]

There were over 1500 documents related to Oswald in Mexico...

If Oswald had crossed the border he would have been one of very few non-Hispanic names listed... and a copy of the FM tourist card would be proof he had come into Mexico..

Yet on Nov 27th, 2 months after he supposedly made this crossing, the CIA cannot find any evidence he did so...

Remember this? Yet the CIA ran numerous traces... the FBI contacted over 20 informants

Still.... no Oswald.

[Jim DiEugenio]

This is important material. And David deserves a lot of credit for digging it up.

As I have said before, I think David may be on the verge of something that takes us to a new plateau in this whole MC saga.

This is one of the keys with the two informants in the Cuban embassy. Neither one said they saw Oswald, and they were asked more than once.

The other point is that the CIA was really desperate in trying to find any evidence that Oswald had been there. They were checking anything, like he points out here, the border crossings. And much more I should add. It all came up negative.

[David Josephs]

Greatly appreciated Jim... nice to see my theory and work on it being supported as docs are uncovered.....


As I am going thru ALL the files... one by one, day by day... I am picking different agencies to look into first...

Here is a memo to McCone from Gilpatric on Oct 21, 1963 which "disestablishes" Ed Lansdale's office as liaison between CIA and DOD.

And establishes the SUPPORT ACTIVITIES DIVISION under the JCS (Is this Prouty?)

Finding the timing somewhat suspect... I was looking for comments....

Is this anything?

[Jim DiEugenio]

I think this was done on the occasion of Landsale leaving the administration.

And yes, that other office is Prouty.

[Peter Lemkin]

Hmmmm.....very interesting stuff David....good 'truffle' hunting! On now finds the best 'truffles' hidden in the places most would never think to look.

[Peter Lemkin]

Oswald WAS in M.C. a few months BEFORE that time - and some few people saw him there. There is endless mystery about the last visit because while I think he may have been in M.C. then too [or perhaps not - certainly not doing the things the CIA claimed he did], someone else was pretending to do the things he was doing to set him up. The problem with the paperwork from the Oswald in M.C. time is that the same people that were setting him up were creating and re-creating / destroying the paper trail. Trustworthy eyewitness or other proofs are better than govt docs in this instance IMHO. Nagell knew Oswald was in M.C. earlier - few others did, but Nagell had been detailed to trail Oswald everywhere he went to figure out who he was and who he was working for. But then one has to trust Nagell. I for one do. He tried very hard to tell the truth of what he knew of the plot [a hell of a lot!]....and it was NOT easy as 'they' kept threatening him - to take away his children and his own life. In the end, they did murder Nagell....the VERY day he had received a subpoena to appear in D.C. about the JFK assassination - something he had always said he'd not avoid. Few know that Garrison and Nagell met in NYC in Central Park. Garrison thought Nagell was the best evidence of the plot, but he knew he couldn't use him in his trial, as they'd not let him live to testify.

That said, yes, most of the fudged paperwork even makes the case against the plotters in M.C. - they didn't fudge the paperwork enough for all time - only enough for the short haul.....

It is my understanding that the man you refer to was LEE Oswald and not the man Ruby killed.

I have little doubt LEE went both to Mexico and Cuba... and that's who Hoover is talking about...

What we are left with regards to Mexico City Evidence is exactly as Peter mentions...

You bring up a very important aspect. We know there was one main 'Oswald' double - and many lesser ones (used for single events or just a few). Of the two main 'Oswalds' [Harvey and Lee, lets call them] it is NOT clear from any document or any perspective - even from Nagell's accounts exactly which person we are really being told about. The plotters and their minions [some naive and some not to what was to occur or had just occurred] only a very select few knew there were more than one such person using that name - and even those persons using that name often used other names or variants of that name...so the waters are very muddy. However, we are making progress and all progress only further degrades the 'official' version's veracity or believability. No reason to wonder why they have been and continue to be 'shy' and reticent to release documents on this case and related matters.