Climate Change proponents emails and files hacked

[David Guyatt]

LaRouche can't have it both ways. He either ceases manifesting his pet nonsense about of the British business, political and royal elite (not that I am endorsing them in saying this - I am not), or he openly sleeps with and promulgates their positions.

Ah, a Googling contest eh. I see what you mean. I really do. We should simply ignore conscious deception and underhanded behaviour when we come across it.

Sorry, but I'll not buy into that particular twisted rationale. Checking the veracity of sources is an established and recognized part of journalistic and academic work. Some measure up to that level of scrutiny whilst others do not.

Unfortunately, you do not.

Switching into attack mode via the odorous whiff of self righteous indignation will not cut it either.

[Helen Reyes]

David: it is interesting that LaRouche and Monckton have the same position, but it's not like either of them own that position, they didn't stake exclusive claim to it. From what I heard QE2 is in favor of a treaty at Copenhagen.

[Helen Reyes]

http://www.infowars.com/lord-monckton-sh...t-al-gore/

Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest Al Gore

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Saturday, November 28, 2009

Appearing on The Alex Jones Show yesterday, Lord Christopher Monckton went further than ever before in his vehement opposition to the elitists running the climate change scam, calling for the UN to be shut down and for fraudulent peddlers of global warming propaganda like Al Gore to be arrested and criminally prosecuted.

Monckton said that those who are threatening to shut down economies, bankrupt nations, and deepen the problems of the third world by implementing draconian policies in the name of global warming should be indicted, prosecuted and imprisoned “for a very long time”.

“The fraudsters and racketeers from Al Gore to the people at the University of East Anglia who have been making their fortune at the expense of taxpayers and the little guy,” should be criminally charged, said Monckton, in response to the climategate scandal.

“We the people have got to rise up worldwide, found a party in every country which stands for freedom and make sure we fight this bureaucratic communistic world government monster to a standstill – they shall not pass,” he added.

Monckton said that the United Nations should be “closed down,” adding that he talked to a senior UN ambassador in Canada who told him that he no longer saw any purpose in the UN and it exists “only to enrich itself at the expense of the nations it claims to serve, it’s time it was brought to an end.”

“We would all save billions if we shut down the UN and just about all of its hideous bureaucracy,” said Monckton.

Lord Monckton emphasized how the emails released as a result of climategate prove that global warming alarmism was still prevalent in public but behind closed doors, warmist scientist are admitting that the “deniers” as they label people like Monckton are correct.

“Publicly they’re saying the science is settled, we’re all doomed unless you close down the economies of the west, whereas privately they’re saying to each other ‘we’ve got it wrong, none of this adds up and it’s a travesty that we can’t explain it’.”

Monckton also slammed Obama’s science czar John P. Holdren, who in his 1977 book Ecoscience called for draconian population measures to be enforced by a “planetary regime” in the name of saving the earth, as an “openly admitted communist”.

Monckton pointed out how Holdren had been once of the most prominent alarmists in the 70’s warning about the onset of rapid “global cooling”.

“Now with seamless mendacity he says that what we’re now facing is global warming,” said Monckton.

“How can anyone like Holdren stand up with a straight face and expect anyone to believe it,” he added.

Monckton said that the agenda behind the global warming movement was to set up a communistic world government which will be run by people who “do not care how many people they kill with their policies” and that their goal is to “do away with democracy forever by stealth using the excuse to save the planet.”

Monckton said that the people running the scam had a “deliberate desire to control population by killing people in large numbers deliberately if necessary.”

The former advisor to Margaret Thatcher said that the warmists were sounding more and more desperate and knew that they had been rumbled as a result of climategate, which would only make it more urgent for them to try and force through a binding treaty in Copenhagen.

Monckton said that the answer to combating the move towards neo-feudalism and global government was to form a worldwide “freedom party” that would operate nationally in every country in order to defend freedom, democracy and prosperity while routing out every aspect of the communistic takeover.

“Every time these people try to take it away, we in the freedom party will stop them, and I think now is the time,” said Monckton.

Watch the interview in full below...

audio file: http://rss.infowars.com/20091127_Fri_Alex.mp3


More recent stuff on Climategate:

http://www.itsrainmakingtime.com/_recent...part1.html

A True Inquiry Into Climate & Weather
Part 1: A Hot Potato
Featuring Robert Felix, Joe Daleo, & Dr. Tim Ball



Very few of us know any of the facts about climate or weather. Most of us have taken a blind faith approach to this very subject, but we cannot afford to embrace this with blind faith. Unfortunately, this will be to the great detriment of all of humanity. This is not a political subject or show.

This is a broadcast segment about the urgent need to know the truth about this subject with verifiable facts that have not been able to make their way in a cohesive, understandable way to the trusting, good-hearted, and concerned public. This subject has two segments; the first one is my dialogue with Robert Felix, author of Not By Fire, But By Ice and Magnetic Reversals & Evolutionary Leaps.

http://www.iceagenow.com

Robert Felix has a way of introducing us to so much substantially monumental and verifiable facts, in context, with how a scientific case can be made for a very chilling reality, that a little Ice Age appears to be on the way.

I also invited meteorologist Joe Daleo of http://icecap.us and climatologist, Dr. Tim Ball to provide a broad-based perspective as to what's missing regarding the climate change, global warming understanding and dialogue. What these men will illuminate will shake us to our very foundations.

Well-meaning politicians need to open their field of receptivity to improve their understanding of climate in a larger context - one that is devoid of political and economic survival, peer pressure, fear of marginalization, and fear of losing their positions. There's a gross body of mistruth and distortion about climate and the climate dangers we are truly facing.

As people of the world, a different framework is needed to quickly and properly understand weather and climate so that those of us who want to know what's going on may properly prepare for the imminent changes. Get ready to learn things you have never known before about weather, climate and the business of weather and climate. Thank you for listening and getting yourselves prepared.

audio file: http://www.itsrainmakingtime.com/_radios...imate1.mp3


Part 2:
http://www.itsrainmakingtime.com/_recent...part2.html

A True Inquiry Into Climate & Weather
Part 2: The Plot Thickens
Featuring Dr. Willie Soon & Dr. David Legates

The plot really does thicken in this interview with Dr. Willie Soon and Dr. David Legates. This is an incredibly complex up-and-coming piece of inquiry which, if addressed improperly and not by an open mind, could lead humanity into a shocking and chilling new discovery about climate that is unexpected - one that will overshadow global politics and outweigh any ideology.

The verifiable data offered in this interview is both fascinating and disturbing. An astrophysicist at the Harvard Center and a Climatologist from the University of Delaware come together to properly brief listeners on key elements of science that cannot be overlooked or dismissed. They separate out elements that leave the average activist and global warming advocate with a totally different understanding of what is really occurring. They speak with clarity, passion, and openness.

I learned so much here and deeply appreciate the gift of real knowledge that they have given us.

These two men display a rare courage in standing up for the integrity of verifiable science as they continue to speak truth to power against vicious attacks.

Have a listen. See what you come up with and ask the questions that need to be asked. Whether you agree or not, we appreciate you being here. Thank you for listening.

audio file: http://www.itsrainmakingtime.com/_radios...imate2.mp3

Also, http://www.iceagenow.com has dedicated a section to Climategate and links to some interesting blogs, including a volunteer public effort to make some sense of the FORTRAN files included in the disclosed collection of documents. It looks fairly bad for Hadley CRU even as people fingered in the email wage a mad war across wikipedia to contain the fallout, save their reputations, defend climate science etc. The FORTRAN code is very poorly written and the data bludgeoning is more than evident. They excised a warming period in 1940 along with the stuff in the Middle Ages, 1940 was apparently warmer than 1998.

In line with what Jan and David were talking about, Monckton used the Alex Jones show linked above to call for a global Freedom Party and defended Thatcher, characterizing fake climate science and the policies and politicians who underwrote it as Communists. Surprisingly he said Russia is more free than the UK today, and agreed with Alex Jones on a number of other points. Worth listening to.

[Magda Hassan]

SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.
It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.
The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.
The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.
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The admission follows the leaking of a thousand private emails sent and received by Professor Phil Jones, the CRU’s director. In them he discusses thwarting climate sceptics seeking access to such data.
In a statement on its website, the CRU said: “We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.”
The CRU is the world’s leading centre for reconstructing past climate and temperatures. Climate change sceptics have long been keen to examine exactly how its data were compiled. That is now impossible.
Roger Pielke, professor of environmental studies at Colorado University, discovered data had been lost when he asked for original records. “The CRU is basically saying, ‘Trust us’. So much for settling questions and resolving debates with science,” he said.
Jones was not in charge of the CRU when the data were thrown away in the 1980s, a time when climate change was seen as a less pressing issue. The lost material was used to build the databases that have been his life’s work, showing how the world has warmed by 0.8C over the past 157 years.
He and his colleagues say this temperature rise is “unequivocally” linked to greenhouse gas emissions generated by humans. Their findings are one of the main pieces of evidence used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which says global warming is a threat to humanity
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/en...936328.ece

[David Guyatt]

In them he discusses thwarting climate sceptics seeking access to such data.
In a statement on its website, the CRU said: “We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.”

Thrown away or can't / won't find?

The rationale for throwing away basic data is so that it cannot be reviewed by others. This stinks to high heavens.

[Jan Klimkowski]

Scientist: "I'd like access to the raw data, please."

UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU): "Sorry, no can do. Here's some value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data we prepared earlier."

:hmpf:

[Helen Reyes]

David: from what I understood, first the CRU claimed they lost a dataset but it might exist on paper at another location. Now it's that they were routinely erased/shredded, from what I can make of it.

Australia and NZ are having their own climategates and it probably extends to Canada too, but I haven't seen confirmation of CA fabricating weather station data yet.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0911/S00282.htm

NIWA “adjusts” records to show warming
Thursday, 26 November 2009, 9:16 am
Press Release: Climate Conversation

25 November 2009 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

NZ climate scandal: NIWA “adjusts” records to show warming

New Zealand may have its own “Climategate”, including manipulation of temperature readings, according to a combined research project undertaken by members of the Climate Conversation Group and the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition. The researchers claim that temperature readings from seven weather stations throughout New Zealand have been adjusted to show a higher degree of warming than is justified by a study of the original raw data.

Spokesman for the group, Richard Treadgold, said that recent claims that New Zealand is warming have been proved wrong. “Official information clearly shows that temperatures in New Zealand have actually been remarkably stable since 1850. We got the data from the online National Climate Database maintained by NIWA and we made our own graph, which we compared with theirs. The results are shocking.

“NIWA’s official graph (done originally by Dr Jim Salinger, who features also in the emails leaked from the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia) shows considerable warming, which they give as 0.92°C per century, saying this is consistent with global warming over the 20th century. But the actual temperature readings taken from the thermometers show an almost flat trend for 150 years.

“These figures all come from NIWA. So, why are they so different from each other? Because NIWA has adjusted the earliest temperature readings downwards by up to 1.3°C, which has the effect of introducing a false ‘warming’ as the graph then ‘climbs’ to the present day. It’s a disgrace. So far, neither Dr Salinger nor NIWA has revealed why they did this,” said Mr Treadgold .. The full story is posted at the Climate Conversation Group web site, with graphs, at http://www.climateconversation.wordshine...armer-yet/ and http://www.nzclimatescience.org.nz/

ABC and Australian newspapers are reporting five liberal MPs resigned rather than vote for a pre-Copenhagen carbon dioxide debt scheme.

What do the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand have in common?

[Jan Klimkowski]

What do the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand have in common?

English, through their own inimitable dialects, is their national language.

Helen - the alleged New Zealand manipulation of data is of importance, and suggests that the climate books have quite literally been cooked.

[Helen Reyes]

The Australian front page today says the government is in crisis: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/

In common: English, Commonwealth, UKUS agreement members.

Helen - the alleged New Zealand manipulation of data is of importance, and suggests that the climate books have quite literally been cooked.

If it's true of Canada and Australia too, it's an incredible thing. Tim Ball in the interview linked above discusses how terrestrial weather stations are mainly located in inappropriate places, and how the move to satellite data collection was fraught with problems. Mike Rivero of whatreallyhappened.com claims the station used for carbon dioxide measurements in Hawaii is located on the side of an active volcano, Mauna Loa. Ball says they are also placed outside air conditioning units and in parking lots.

[Peter Lemkin]

With respect, Peter: We disagree. I hold not much in the way of credentials in anything, but I have put a great deal of effort in my 63 years into trying to figure out what in hell is going on--this most especially after I noticed a number of significant leaders (I'm American) were being assassinated, the official investigations were blatant whitewashes or muddying of the waters, and that most everybody seemed to be running around as if hypnotized, playing games related to "money" when they weren't watching TV. I feel as if I have been witnessing a very slow-motion tragedy of death and maiming and worse for the past 40 years, and it's not good.

But because we disagree is no reason not to try to communicate with one another. To that end, may I inquire in all sincerity: When you look at such as the following report, where do you think the author is coming from? Do you regard it as intentional propaganda, misinformed science, or what?

CO2: The Greatest Scientific Scandal of Our Time [/FONT]
by Zbigniew Jaworowski, M.D., PhD, D.Sc. PDF file[/FONT]


This seems a good place to mention, though I don't see it as related to my question above, that the exposure of the climate change hoaxers at Britain's Climatic Research Unit doesn’t disprove claims of anthropogenic global warming and potential catastrophe therefrom one way or the other. It certainly exposes something well-worth examining, but it’s not science.

The issue of anthropogenic global warming is just one of huge number of assaults on Gaia humans have made. We are a plague [overpopulated] on the Planet, distorting water and land resources, destroying habitat for all other life, distorting the atmosphere and oceans, fouling our 'bed' with poisons of all kinds, now responsible for the extinction of over 200 species PER DAY [and rapidly increasing], destruction of the ozone layer, melting of the glaciers and global climate change - and much, much more. It is only recently that ANY 'establishment types' thought to use this as a way to control the masses. This cry of alarm is from the 1950s and has been ignored as it got worse and is now at the point where an immediate cessation would NOT prevent huge catastrophe to humans and [worse] the rest of living things on the only Planet we have. Arrogance, hubris, denial, short-sightedness and worse is what I see. A few [about 5-8%] of legit environmental scientist have some doubt it is anthropogenic. They are mostly bought and paid-for by Big Business or right wing born agains, who feel all is 'their god's' control and out fo the hands of humans. This is the greatest battle humans and other species have faced since the extinction of the dinosaurs [a natural event]. This one is up to US and to a large extent the U.S. I fear we will loose the battle due to denial and cover-ups, corporate spin, et al. What do I think of people like you mention...misguided to bought-out....like those scientists who worked for the tobacco industry or work for Monstanto and the chemical industries now.....