David Guyatt Wrote:I forget whether I knew or not about the money issue. I think I probably did and that this formed part of Dick's story to me. It was almost 40 years ago now...
I just happened to notice it on the link you posted:
Quote:In 1972, Williams had a falling-out with the Shah family. It has been reported that the late producer Omar Shah was conducting unscrupulous business practices for his own gain.
It sort of sounds to me like Omar Shah got Richard Williams to OK some money for something Williams didn't really want to spend it on, and when Mr. Williams asked himself "Why did I do that?" he didn't have an answer, except for Omar's compelling eyes. Or maybe Omar Shah was simply embezzling? Interesting.
David Guyatt Wrote:I have been interested in the Black Madonnas of Southern France for some time and the Egyptian connection you speak of Helen, may well connect to the centre of Gypsy faith at the fortified church of Notre Dame de la Mer in the Carmargue.
It's a very plain, masonry church I saw on some Templar special on Discovery or National Geographic once. It should be in the west of Luangedoc somewhere. The bay you mention is where the Cathars say Jesus and Mary reached France by boat.
The last word in Gypsy research I heard put them as natives of Punjab or somewhere in modern India (Rajastan?), but I have to wonder:
There are other small marginal communities of occupational specialists based in eastern Afghanistan in provinces such as Laghman. They are commonly referred to as Jat which is a generic term indiscriminately applied by others with derogatory connotations implying low descent and low occupations. The groups reject the term and refer to themselves by specific names. Of Mediterranean-Indian type physically, speaking Indo-Aryan dialects in addition to Pashto and Dari, they are primarily gypsy-like itinerant petty traders, bangle sellers, fortune-tellers, musicians, jugglers, snake-charmers and performers with animals such as bears and monkeys. Some are specialized craftsmen, working as weavers, potters, sievemakers, knife-makers, and leather-workers. Some hire out as seasonal itinerant farm laborers. They rank lowest on the social scale and are stigmatized by many in the society.
Data as of 1997
David Guyatt Wrote:It is indeed most interest that Himmler's personal wizard, Nazi Satanist Karl Maria Wiligut claimed to be the King of the Gypsies and used to attend the annual gatherings linked above and was, apparently, well known at them.
Hmm. Two points: "King of the Gypsies" is a title held by mutiple people simultaneously, it refers to the leader of a single band or group, traditionally. The other is the notion that Gypsies were inhabitants for a time in Agartha, and Fred Crisman's association with them, and early alien contact reports and MIBs describing swarthy Gypsy-type men.
Linguistically they trace back to present day north west India/Pakistan possibly from the Jat people as the two groups share a hereditary disease related to glaucoma.
Latcho Drom - the story of Gypsy migration as filmed by a Gypsy told in music and dance:
Magda Hassan Wrote:Linguistically they trace back to present day north west India/Pakistan possibly from the Jat people as the two groups share a hereditary disease related to glaucoma.
Latcho Drom - the story of Gypsy migration as filmed by a Gypsy told in music and dance:
Wow! Great information! I'll have to watch those videos later, not enough space on the hard disk right now.
Stumbled across http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Besant , she was a sort of feminist/suffragette a la Emma Goldman (Marxist not anarchist though, with ties to Fabian Society) who met Blavatsky, travelled to India and eventually became president of Theosophy there, but caused a schism with the American chapter by disclosing that the "Mahatma Letters" the Americans had been sending were counterfeits. She used her authority to protect Leadbetter from child rape charges in India, and later she sconspired with him to kidnap Krishnamurti and his brothers, nominally because Leadbetter thought Krishnamurti had a very pure aura and was the Maitreya, actually probably so Leadbetter could molest the boys. The British authorities in India found against the boys' father when he sued for custody and they were raised in the Theosophy compound in Adyar, India.
Arrested for campaigning for Indian independence, freed after protests by the Muslim league and others, differed with Gandhi over socialism (?).
Helen,
Thanks for the backround info. on Besant and Leadbetter.It's new stuff for me. :wavey:
"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.â€
Buckminster Fuller
David Guyatt Wrote:Thanks again Helen, especially for the links. I had no idea that Gandhi was a big fan of Adolph. How surprising.
http://history.eserver.org/ghandi-nobody-knows.txt The Gandhi Nobody Knows
Richard Grenier
Bearing in mind that Grenier is a neo-conservative it is an interesting article about Gandhi the movie and the man.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
Thank you, Magda. That was a fascinating read. I looked up Gandhi's letters to Hitler, apparently he wrote two, and the first one was intercepted and held by the British, and neither was all that friendly besides being polite. Mohandis calls Adolf his friend, says he's not a monster but should not act like one either in Sudetenland. He seems to think the Czechs should lie down and die for their country, just like he seems to think Jews should submit to Hitler, but doesn't go much beyond that.
If the Japanese had invaded India, I find it hard to believe Gandhi wouldn't have found an accomodation with them against the British, as Burma, Thailand, Indonesia used the Japanese invasion to throw off the European colonisers and declare a kind of independence. Mongolia apparently was also waiting for the Japanese liberation.
Helen,
My Theosophical trail led me in the direction of Alice A Bailey.I see that she is quite controversial these days also.I guess she and Annie Besant weren't the best of friends,but apparently Bailey had a higher regard for Leadbeater.:dontknow:
Wondering if you have any take on Alice Bailey.I realise that she and her work have been characterized as a product of the NWO.I'll link to her Wiki page.
"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.â€
Buckminster Fuller
Keith Millea Wrote:Helen,
My Theosophical trail led me in the direction of Alice A Bailey.I see that she is quite controversial these days also.I guess she and Annie Besant weren't the best of friends,but apparently Bailey had a higher regard for Leadbeater.:dontknow:
Wondering if you have any take on Alice Bailey.I realise that she and her work have been characterized as a product of the NWO.I'll link to her Wiki page.
Thank you, Keith, for the link. I read it over, but I have to confess that's the most I've ever read about Bailey. I have a bunch of her ebooks tucked away somewhere but never cracked them open. I remember hearing somewhere that some of the neo-fascists in Chile appreciate her stuff. My free associations on the Wikipedia material? OK, if you twist my arm
She sounds rabidly anti-Jew, probably started out that way as a preacher's wife (wasn't she?) and then had her conviction strengthened by some of the pseudo-gnostic anti-JHWHism rife in Theosophy. She sounds concerned with
hierarchy so much that her alleged heterodoxy re: thesophy doesn't ring very true. I suppose it was really more about personalities, the Indian Theosophy Adyar didn't accept her stuff and Bessant wasn't happy about the Mahatma Letters from America, perhaps sincerely channeled by American theosophists, while Bailey felt the Indian branch was playing politics instead of doing the Work. Just a guess based on the wiki material.
On the NWO: it sounds like Bailey's NWO would have race theory taught in primary schools, there would be no Jews and "Aryans" (Anglo-American WASPs) would have to assume a tutelary position to ensure the welfare of "the Negro" until his race reached parity.
All her talk about Servers made me remember that Twilight Zone episode. The aliens land in their craft and say they have a great book for mankind. All our problems are to be solved by this book. It is called To Serve Man. At the end of the episode, as humans are walking up ramps to the UFOs, one guy breaks loose or something and screams: "It's a cookbook!"
Maybe I'm being unfair to Bailey, I just don't know enough. I have met some JZ Knight people before. They didn't inspire me with a lot of confidence in their supposed powers.
06-12-2009, 06:42 PM (This post was last modified: 06-12-2009, 06:44 PM by Helen Reyes.)
Alfred Percy Sinnett moved to India in 1879 and was the editor of The Pioneer, the leading English daily newspaper in India. He and his wife Patience hosted Henry Olcott and Helena Blavatksy at Allahabad and in Simla. He was the first (and only?) recipient of the Mahatma Letters from "Koot Hoomi" (a spiritual working name supposedly based on Tibetan) who was said to be a Punjabi educated in Britain, migrating in the area between Ladakh and Kashmir. K.H. was one of the Brothers of the Great White Brotherhood and agreed to carry on a correspondence with Sinnett after he applied through Blavatksy. HP Blavatsky's regular contacts in the Brotherhood were uninterested but KH agreed to it. This application process was carried on psychically by HPB.
Sinnett describes a number of strange events and psychic phenomena while HPB was present, including the conjuring of objects that were subsequently dug out of the ground where HPB instructed. She used coins, tobacco and cagarette papers to perform these things, and it is slightly reminiscient of some of the MIB activities reported by UFO contactees/witnesses. These events convinced him and others that HPB was not a charlatan, and that she was neither interested much in proving her authenticity.
As the editor of the major English paper, Sinnett was probably not as disinterested his book The Occult World would have it: he stood to profit from the sensation. The first chapters are interesting in several ways, in respect to the topic at hand. He describes HPB as early on in India being suspected of espionage for Russia. He also dismisses the American spelling conventions of his Mahatma, the Punjabi educated in Britain:
Quote:The language of the note given above embodied many little points which had a meaning for us. All through, it bore indirect reference to the conversation that had taken place at our dinner-table the previous evening. I had been talking of the little traces here and there which the long letters from Koot Hoomi bore, showing in spite of their splendid mastery over the language and the vigour of their style, a turn or two of expression that an Englishman would not have made use of; for example, in the form of address, which in the two letters already quoted had been tinged with Orientalism. "But what should he have written?" somebody asked, and I had said, "under similar circumstances an Englishman would probably have written simply: "My dear Brother." Then the allusion to the Kashmir Valley as the place from which
the letter was written, instead of from a Lodge, was au allusion to the same conversation; and the underlining of the "k" was another, as Madame Blavatsky had been saying that Koot Hoomi's spelling of "Scepticism" with a "k" was not an Americanism in his case, but due to a philological whim of his.
I'm still working through it, but here it is, if anyone else is interested, attached.
One of the early Yellow Peril examples in weird fiction. Robert W. Chambers's The Moon Maker sets the stage for a subsequent crop of dreamlands situated "coterminously" with Central Asia and has been called the prototype for the Plateau of Leng used by the Weird Tales pool of writers, specifically H. P. Lovecraft. The Plateau of Leng is a thinly-disguised Tibet, whereas HPL's Kadath (first appears as Kadatheron) is a movable feast, appearing north of Inganok, a sort of stylized Greenland that specializes in marble quarrying located next to Plateau of Leng, but then jumping to the South Pole or at least Antarctica in At the Mountains of Madness.
