Manifesto of Joseph Stack - Another one bites back.

[Myra Bronstein]

Earlier Thursday, Stack was killed after crashing his small plane into an office building containing nearly 200 IRS employees, setting off a raging fire that sent workers fleeing for their lives.

Interestingly, the building did not seem to collapse into its own footprint...

Ah haa hah! :rofl: Good observation Bruce.

Give it time though. There could well be aftershocks that bring the weakened building down. But only if the building owners took out huge insurance policies recently.

[John Kowalski]

I think that Joseph Stack essay does not reflect the plight of working people today, and his point of view is not worthy of serious consideration. I read his essay; it lacks any real intellectual merit. Instead, it is a rant of a man who has had his fair share of financial failures. His essay reads like a person who has suffered financially and wants to blame it on someone else. While I agree that we are all, at times, victims of the financial system we live in, and I believe that major changes are needed to this system, Joseph Stack's desire to lay the blame for his troubles on the doorstep of the IRS is ludicrous. We all live in this system, we all share in its ups and downs, but most of us will not resort to violence.

He is akin to all of those other persons who go on killing sprees, only just recently Amy Bishop, a university professor, killed three people because she was denied tenure. Stacks, Bishop, and the countless others who have committed these acts of violence, going on shooting rampages, shooting their fellow high school students are people who have severe psychological problems, and I would not want to legitimize their beliefs by holding them up as an example of something worthwhile. I would no more take Stack seriously as I would Ted Kaczynski or Timothy McVeigh who both believed they had good reasons to kill people.

A final point; his complaint about a twenty four year old tax law that defines who is a independent contractor and who is an employee is truly asinine. This law is an important law and it protects working people. Many companies do not want to pay benefits to employees, they want to circumvent legislation which require the payment of salutatory benefits such as vacation pay, unemployment insurance, medical benefits etc.. To get around these laws, they will try to label an employee as a contractor. The IRS has twenty questions (there is a link to this from his essay) which are used to determine whether or not an employee is a contractor or not. He may not have liked this law, but their are millions of working people who benefited from them.

John Kowalski

[Jack White]

I posted this link here earlier, but it seems to have disappeared.

Again...recommended:

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2010/02/aus...o-cia.html

Jack

[Magda Hassan]

No Jack. It is still in the other thread 'In Defence of Joe Stack' where you posted it. This thread is his manifesto.

[Magda Hassan]

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A final point; his complaint about a twenty four year old tax law that defines who is a independent contractor and who is an employee is truly asinine. This law is an important law and it protects working people. Many companies do not want to pay benefits to employees, they want to circumvent legislation which require the payment of salutatory benefits such as vacation pay, unemployment insurance, medical benefits etc.. To get around these laws, they will try to label an employee as a contractor. The IRS has twenty questions (there is a link to this from his essay) which are used to determine whether or not an employee is a contractor or not. He may not have liked this law, but their are millions of working people who benefited from them.

John Kowalski

An interesting point John. Thanks for that.

[Peter Lemkin]

Earlier Thursday, Stack was killed after crashing his small plane into an office building containing nearly 200 IRS employees, setting off a raging fire that sent workers fleeing for their lives.

Interestingly, the building did not seem to collapse into its own footprint...

Thanks for that Bruce....you made me laugh and I have had nothing to laugh about in a long time!.....

[Jack White]

No Jack. It is still in the other thread 'In Defence of Joe Stack' where you posted it. This thread is his manifesto.

I did not notice two threads on the same subject.

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2010/02...xt-to-cia.html

I recommend that everyone take a look.

Jack

[Dawn Meredith]

No Jack. It is still in the other thread 'In Defence of Joe Stack' where you posted it. This thread is his manifesto.

I did not notice two threads on the same subject.

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2010/02...xt-to-cia.html

I recommend that everyone take a look.

Jack

link was broken when I tried to read it.

[Dawn Meredith]

I posted this link here earlier, but it seems to have disappeared.

Again...recommended:

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2010/02/aus...o-cia.html

Jack

Arson investigators are saying he had a lot of extra fuel on the plane. Extra cans.
But, these days, who the hell knows? What is "real" I mean.

Dawn

[Ed Jewett]

I posted this link here earlier, but it seems to have disappeared.

Again...recommended:

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2010/02/aus...o-cia.html

Jack

Arson investigators are saying he had a lot of extra fuel on the plane. Extra cans.
But, these days, who the hell knows? What is "real" I mean.

Dawn

Early efforts like these to ascertain the relevant facts of the event and its vehicle are just beginning. In the Internet age, they move with greater speed than they did in 1964-66. Even so, cover-up is alive and well in many categories. I offer no thesis at the moment. The world is filled with agency whose forte is deception. It is even bragged about by high unnamed officials in Administration circles, this ability to craft myth, event and history, to manipulate perception by understanding OODA loops and how the human mind perceives. If we do not comprehend that and also operate at nearly the same level and speed, we are at the mercy of those who maintain that capability (and they have high-speed systems of real-time surveillance and analysis). There must be -- somewhere, somehow -- our own ability to think, compute and communicate if we are to function meaningfully with any self-direction. The mental status -- whatever its source -- of those who bulldoze houses or fly airplanes into buildings or suddenly and without warning kill their trainer must be understood. Liberty and freedom have many elements and components; it is more difficult for those who wish to be free and unfettered to find that freedom than it is for others to take it away, even subtly and indirectly.