The "Other" Zapruder Film

[Charles Drago]

Or how about this:

The Z-film was shot 11 years later and sent back via Nazi-designed time machine.

The give-away: Onassis is driving.

[Frank Nelson]

One of the enduring mysteries of the Zapruder film is why it begins with the 3 lead motorcycles rounding the intersection of Elm and Houston Streets instead of catching the JFK parade car in the vicinity of where Tina Towner began her film as Zapruder described on live TV shortly after the assassination. If Zapruder had begun filming when he said he did these 3 lead motorcycles would have already come down Elm street past Zapruder & Marilyn Sitzman and the white Ford pilot car containing Jesse Curry would be in the process of passing the Zapruder-Sitzman filming team. That being said, how did these 3 lead motorcycles get into his film and what happened to the JFK parade car ‘coming down Houston Street, making his turn’?

When Mr. Zapruder’s comments were first noticed by those comparing what he told Jay Watson (who was barely listening to Zapruder) to what his film depicts a theory began that Zapruder’s film was a hybrid.

I believe Jack White was doing some research in this area a few years back and was exploring the possibility that a camera and tripod was used from within the pergola shelter while others suggested BDM is the other mystery photographer. Then there’s the story of the soldier who lost his film to the hatless police officer; where did that film go?

The Weaver photo (taken from the corner of Main & Houston) looking north towards the TSBD catches the 3 lead motorcycles plus the pilot car, thus, if Zapruder was filming them at the time they negotiated the intersection turn JFK’s parade car was just rounding the corner of Main and Houston. Zapruder would have seen this fender flag waving limo from his line of sight from the pergola pedestal. He would have also seen the white Ford pilot car nearing the intersection of Houston & Elm.

So what’s it all mean? Did Zapruder get it wrong when he described on TV what he filmed or was there some hanky panky happening with his film behind closed doors once Mr. Z cut the footage loose?

I believe there are persons alive that hold the answers to all this mystery and want to get the truth out. With the Internet it should be possible to post the real footage without being persecuted or killed. I believe the right way to deal with the public on this crime is to expose the crime for what it was, air it all out, stop covering for the deceased guilty parties and be thankful the criminals that murdered that helpless, defenseless man on Elm Street sitting next to his pretty wife in the backseat of a convertible are being dealt with by the highest authority and are forever gone from our lives.

The public can handle the truth.


Best wishes,


Frank Nelson

[Bernice Moore]

i finally dug it up and milicent cranor saw the other film, on the premises of NBC in NYC...

in the following Rich speaks for himself, as he always did in his replies to some questions...often asked...

The "other" film -- FAQs
Post by: admin on March 15, 2009, 06:51 AM
Since I appeared recently on Len Osanic's "Black Op" radio
program, I have been receiving several questions, I'll try and
answer them here:

1. Where can this film be viewed?

I really don't know. I believe that copies exist in various places around the world.
However I have no knowledge where it can be viewed. I never at any time possessed
a copy myself. When I saw it, the film was shown by a person unknown to me along
with some others in a suburb of Washington DC (College Park, MD).

2. Do you believe it is an unedited version of the Zapruder Film?

Personally, I do not believe the film is in any way a version of the Zapruder
film. The Z film appears amateurish to me and unrealistic in the sense that it
seems like an animated "cartoon". The "other" film seemed to be professionally
done with great color rendition and smooth panning. Additionally, I am unsure as
to whether Zapruder shot the film attributed to him. A French photo journalist
who saw the film on several occasions does refer to it as an unedited version
of the Z film FWIW.

3. What are the major discrepancies in what is seen on both films?

The "other" film shows the limo on Houston Street as it turns onto Elm.
The Z film does not even though Z testified that he began filming when
the limo first came into view and did not stop filming until the limo left
the Plaza,

The 'other" film shows the limo making a wide turn onto Elm, nearly going
up on the curb and as though it first was headed to the service road in front
of the TSBD. Greer apparently struggled to navigate into the center of Elm.

The crowd appeared quite animated as the limo progressed down Elm St.
In the Z film, the crowd appears frozen.

In the "other" film, the Umbrella man is seem pumping the umbrella up and down,
not just holding it over his head. I've concluded that he may have been signaling
the various shooters to open fire -- that JFK was still alive. In the Z film the open
umbrella seems stationary except that a slight rotation can be detected.

The dark complected man with the cap alternately nicknamed TA (The Accomplice)
and The Cuban is seen in the "other" film motioning with an upraised arm while
he stepped into the street and was approaching the limo. He formed his up-raised
hand into a fist -- perhaps the infantryman's signal to "stop." I have concluded
that he was trying to attract Greer and Kellerman to stop the limo exactly at
his position -- which they did. the Limo was stopped ~2 to 3 seconds. The Z
film shows no stop.

The stop was so sudden that it jostled the occupants forward. A portion of this
forward motion can be detected in the extant Z film.

With the limo stopped, Greer turned to face JFK. At that moment JFK received
2 shots to the head: one from the rear causing his head to move forward slightly
and one to the right temple, fired from the front, resulting in a violent explosion
out the rear of JFK's head and sending a huge spray of blood and brain matter
toward DPD Officer Hargis hitting his helmet with what William Manchester
termed a "red sheet" and with such force that Hargis later said he thought he
himself was hit. This most gory explosion of matter is not accurately
portrayed in the extant Z Film.

Apparently once that Greer saw that JFK was hit, he then swung around and
accelerated the limo leaving Dealey Plaza and passing the lead car to entrance
the Stemmons freeway.

4. If the Zapruder film is altered, why did "they" leave in the explosive
head shot?

The first thing to keep in mind is that "they" never believed the Z film would
be viewed by the public. Members of the WC stated that they believed only
a few college professors would even read their report. With Time, Inc. and
the FBI controlling access to the Z film they could control who could view it
or even selected frames from it. If questioned, they could always say it was
being withheld due to concern over the Kennedy family's right to privacy.

In 1975, the extant Z film was shown on national TV on Geraldo Rivera's
"Goodnight America" program by Robert Groden. That segment
can be found on MPI's DVD Image Of An Assassination." The public
was shocked to see the head shot. To many, the Z film was proof of a
second gunman, one firing from the front. To counter those beliefs a
Nobel winning physicist (Luis Alvarez) concocted a "jet effect" theory to
explain how a shot from the TSBD could cause the violent "back and to the
left" reaction defying Newton's 2nd law of motion. Newton's second law of
motion can be formally stated as follows:

The acceleration of an object as produced by a net force is directly proportional
to the magnitude of the net force, in the same direction as the net force, and
inversely proportional to the mass of the object.
(http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/GBSSCI/PH...u2l3a.html).

The alterationists IMO HAD to leave in the fatal head shot. They couldn't
very well claim that JFK was a victim of whiplash. At the necessary time
Dr Alvarez was dragged out to produce a total canard.

5. Why was the Zapruder film fabricated/altered?

IMO, and simply stated, the purposes of altering the Z film, in order of
priority, were:

• To remove all evidence of multiple shooters
  
• To remove evidence of shots from any direction but the rear if possible
  
• To remove evidence of Secret Service complicity
  

6. On 11/23, Dan Rather claimed to have viewed the Z film, the first
reporter to do so. He claimed that JFK's head was throw violently
forward not backward. How can that be?

IMO, he may have been shown an early attempt of an altered film in which
the frames were reversed. But it is possible that he saw NO film at all --
and he was instructed what to say. Keep in mind that on 11/22, Rather was
simply a TV reporter for the local Dallas CBS affiliate -- but virtually overnight
he was promoted to CBS's official White House Correspondent. Quid pro quo??

7. Will the "other" film ever become accessible to the public?

I truly doubt it. It is a dangerous property because that one film proves that
JFK was murdered as a part of a well planned and executed conspiracy. It
lays the WCR bare as an intentionally written pack of lies and proves the
complicity of the Secret Service, the FBI, and the highest levels of the
U.S government.

I have known of ~ a half dozen people who have seen the film in the distant,
past -- yet no two ever saw it in the same place at the same time. I truly
wish that someone would come foreward and report a more recent viewing.
I truly do.

[Magda Hassan]

Thank you Bernice for going into the dusty basement of the hard drive and finding this treasure.

[Ed Jewett]

I passed on to others, blinkingly, the description of "another" version found in Seymour's book "The Last Circle". It was suggested that it was used as some kind of reverse honey pot -- boy, I need a good functional glossary of terms -- a "poison pill" to prevent or destroy someone's effort to go public with what else was discussed during the meeting. It was seen by both Seymour and her husband. Others in attendance are described earlier in the chapter. It freaked me out when I read it because the Z(*) film showed the driver of the limo clearly firing the fatal shot. I know this has been a contentious issue, and I am not sufficiently up to speed on Dealey-related matters to address the point well, coherently, or soundly.

Here is the excerpt, taken from Chapter 12 of "The Last Circle" by Carol Marshall (the original, shorter online version):

CHAPTER 12, Part 3

I was becoming unresponsive to the game, so I presume Nichols decided it was time to "set the hook." It was not until two years later that I understood the significance of this incident. At one point during our conversation, and completely out of context with what we were discussing, Nichols played a video tape of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The southern wall of Nichols' apartment contained a six-foot-wide screen on which I watched a blown-up (enlarged), slow motion "uncut" version of the famous Zapruder film.

I watched what appeared to be the standard media version of the film, seen so many times in film clips over the years, but then Nichols slowed the camera even more, and on the six-foot screen, I observed the driver of the limousine turn to his right, first looking at Connolly, then at Kennedy. The driver's left hand came over his right shoulder, and he was holding a long barreled gun. Smoke and a bullet emerged from the gun, traveling ever so slowly across the screen into Kennedy's head, blowing brain tissue into the air as he fell back against the seat.

Stunned, I watched Jacqueline Kennedy open her mouth in horror as she glanced at the driver, then try to climb over the back seat of the car.

Littman and Zokosky and I stared at the scene in silence, unable to believe what we were seeing. Nichols then changed the tape and showed what he described as the "media" version of the Zapruder tape. In the media version, the driver continued to drive, unflinching, as the shots rang out. Then the scene switched to the back part of the limousine.

At this point, Nichols stopped the frame and pointed with a stick at a tree in the background behind the limousine. From the middle of the tree to the ground, there was no trunk, just air. The top part of the tree was growing in air!

I demanded that my husband be allowed to see the film. I felt I must have been hypnotized. When he arrived, he viewed both films up close, in slow motion, and saw the same thing. Nichols played both tapes backwards and forwards as often as we demanded, until the memory of it was burned forever into our minds.

I wondered if the video had been tampered with. I asked Nichols where he had obtained the original "uncut" version? He would not say. I had no idea at that time that his F.I.D.C.O. partner, Clint Murchison, Jr.'s father had had instant access to the Zapruder film immediately after the assassination in Dallas, Texas.

Nichols studied me for the longest time, then walked over to the window and lit a cigarette. He finally commented that the CIA can cover up anything it wants, even a president's murder. He wanted to show me the power of the Octopus. "Nothing is as it appears to be," he said.

[Steve Duffy]

Ed, I'm mentioned Cheri's sighting on the previous page.
Magda confirmed she's a member here? I would very much like more details on what she saw.

[Ed Jewett]

Ooops, sorry about that, Steve. I don't tend to spend a lot of time inside the JFK threads or debate so I apologize for the oversight. I would like to know more too, and see the discussion(s), but I am far from being an expert in the minutiae of those few minutes.

[As an aside, I wonder if someone could suggest a mathematical formula: the number of seconds involved from the point of approach to the Plaza until the pronouncements at Parkland divided by the numbers of books, words, and bytes devoted to a discussion of them. Maybe the numerator and the denominator ought to be switched, but I was taught in grade school to reduce fractions to their LCD.]

[Albert Doyle]

The first reaction to any "mystery film" is 'yeah, sure, the predictable mystery film,' but it would make sense that the confiscated Gordon Arnold film would be mistaken for the Zapruder film because they were shot so close to each other.

[Bernice Moore]

Thank you Bernice for going into the dusty basement of the hard drive and finding this treasure.

hi magda; i was so pleased to find the gremlin had not eaten the info , i accuse him of doing so as docs pdfs and whatnot do disappear and heaven knows it could not be the computer let alone the said operator, groan, i only wish i now had what was lost some years back when, honest, my computer blew up and had a fire within, lots of flame, smoke and excitement at the time, when Rich was informed he came back LLH asking what was next he called me the professional computer wrecker from then on, i did trash a few, like my son had set me up a pc said here mom here's a book to read and learn. so i am very pc illiterate, so whatever i have learnt some the hard way,but also with much help along the way, i have some of Rich's info, he is still with us, fighting the good fight, he once gave me permission to use his research posted as needed in doing so, when i thought it would help, so there you have it the dungeon did not fail me, this time that is..:ciao:...thanks take care best b..

[Albert Doyle]

Not only that being fresh from basic training and having both feet planted on the ground, Arnold might have shot a steadier film, unlike Zapruder who was swaying with vertigo on the pedestal while being held from behind. Arnold might have come from rifle range qualification where he was recently trained to shoot steady. He might have shot a much more stable film. Hmm.