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Talkin Bout a Revolution
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POWER TO THE CHILDREN!!!!!!........

Published on Wednesday, November 24, 2010 by The Guardian/UK This Isn't Just a Student Protest. It's a Children's Crusade

Those too young to vote, yet with their futures at stake, have organically come together to be heard

by Laurie Penny


Outside Downing Street, in front of a line of riot police, I am sitting beside a makeshift campfire. It's cold, and the schoolchildren who have skipped classes gather around as a student with a three-string guitar strikes up the chords to Tracy Chapman's Talkin Bout a Revolution. The kids start to sing, sweet and off-key, an apocalyptic choir knotted around a small bright circle of warmth and energy. "Finally the tables are starting to turn," they sing, the sound of their voices drowning out the drone of helicopters and the screams from the edge of the kettle. "Finally the tables are starting to turn."[Image: Student-protests-006.jpg]

Then a cop smashes into the circle. The police shove us out of the way and the camp evaporates in a hiss of smoke, forcing us forward. Not all of us know how we got here, but we're being crammed in with brutal efficiency: the press of bodies is vice-tight and still the cops are screaming at us to move forward. Beside me, a schoolgirl is crying. She is just 14.

"We followed the crowd," she says. So did we all. There are no leaders here: the thousands of schoolchildren and young people who streamed into Whitehall three hours ago in protest at the government's attacks on further and higher education were working completely off script. A wordless cry went up somewhere in the crowd and they were off, moving as one, with no instructions, towards parliament.

But just because there are no leaders here doesn't mean there is no purpose. These kids – and most of them are just kids, with no experience of direct action, who walked simultaneously out of lessons across the country just before morning break – want to be heard. "Our votes don't count," says one nice young man in a school tie. The diversity of the protest is extraordinary: white, black and Asian, rich and poor. Uniformed state-school girls in too-short skirts pose by a plundered police van as their friends take pictures, while behind them a boy in a mask holds a placard reading "Burn Eton".

"We can't even vote yet," says Leyla, 14. "So what can we do? Are we meant to just sit back while they destroy our future and stop us going to university? I wanted to go to art school, I can't even afford A-levels now without EMA [education maintenance allowance]".

I ask her who she thinks is in charge. Her friend, a young boy in a hoodie, grins at me, gesturing to the front of the kettle, where children are screaming "shame on you" and throwing themselves under the police batons. "Us," he says.

This is a leaderless protest with no agenda but justice: it is a new children's crusade, epic and tragic. More fires are lit as the children try to keep warm: they are burning placards and pages from their school planners. A sign saying "Dumbledore would not stand for this shit!" goes up in flames.

This is also an organic movement: unlike previous demos, there are no socialist organisers leading the way, no party flags to rally behind. The word spread through Twitter and Facebook; rumours passed around classrooms and meeting halls: get to Westminster, show them your anger.
Suddenly, there is a rush from the front and the sound of yelling police as hundreds of protesters run back from the lines, frightened. "Don't throw anything!" implores a young, bearded protester with a megaphone. "Protect your friends – don't give them the excuse!" But no one is listening. Sticks are being thrown: the mood is enraged as people see their friends struck back or struck down. "Tory scum!" they yell. "I wish they weren't breaking things," says Leyla, "but this is what happens when they ruin people's futures."

© 2010 Guardian News and Media Limited

Laurie Penny is a journalist and feminist activist from London. She is a regular writer for New Statesman, and her political writing was shortlisted for the Orwell prize

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/11/24-12
"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
Buckminster Fuller
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#2
What a coincidence, was reading that article as I saw it on here.

A planned cut on Education Maintenance Allowance (apparently they are scrapping it entirely) and a rise in University tuition fee's because we have no money, yet at the same time 'they' have offered £7 billion to "rescue" Ireland.

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#3
I watched the demos yesterday on TV. All power to the students - the government desires to dumb down future generations and/or trap them into debt bondage. Either way it's a disgrace.

But it also made me ponder about the reason police "kettle" protestors - keeping them restricted in a small area surrounded by police for hours and hours.

Under the police kettling procedures anyone who gets trapped in the kettling area, even if they are completely unconnected with the demonstration, is kept inside the designated area for the duration. For example, a passer-by on the way to hospital could be kettled for hours on end for no good reason whatsoever.

This surely must be completely illegal?
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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It may (or may not :fluteSmile come as a shock to you David but the police do many things which are illegal not to mention immoral many of which I have witnessed with my own eyes. I don't know if the practice of kettling has been tested yet in the courts or under what laws they conduct such procedures there. But it is appalling that any one can be trapped there and not permitted to leave. I have heard of many parents going to the areas where their children where kettled and they were not permitted to enter or remove their children. Nor were they permitted to hand them warm clothing, water or food. No toilet facilities either. It was for a period of about 6 hours.

I have been pondering the sight of the police abusing children all day because these children want an education. What sort of civilised nation is that? Bankers needs before children? What other options do these children have if education is not shown to be an option? I hope the older one's, the students with licenses to drive, take to the highways next time, like the lorry drivers. No kettling there. No predictable routes for the police to block. "Sorry officer, my car wont start"
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#5
Magda Hassan Wrote:It may (or may not :fluteSmile come as a shock to you David but the police do many things which are illegal not to mention immoral many of which I have witnessed with my own eyes.
Ditto to that Magda - and the rest of the post.

The simple fact is that, among the mass of the population, the police are ALWAYS given the benefit of any doubt. At its extreme, it explains not just why they consistently get away with killing totally innocent people, but why totally innocent people are killed in the first place. They KNOW they can and will get away with almost anything if they can produce a half-way plausible story and it affects their behavior BIG-TIME.

Another topical example (two actually) are the pictures we've all been treated to ad-nauseam by the MSM - The Tory HQ window breaker and the Police van being trashed yesterday (Thanks to Jan K's observations on that on the other thread). I just know in my bones that the police were, at best, deliberately and calculatingly complicit in both of those little episodes. You only have to open your eyes and ask that age old question "Who Benefits?" to make it glaringly - BLINDINGLY - bloody obvious.

But I'm afraid the mass of the population, fearful and orchestrated as it is by our "Free Press", simply refuse to even countenance such outrageous suggestions. The police commanders and controllers know it, and their behaviour follows. Yes it IS bloody outrageous. the problem for us is that it also happens to be true.
Peter Presland

".....there is something far worse than Nazism, and that is the hubris of the Anglo-American fraternities, whose routine is to incite indigenous monsters to war, and steer the pandemonium to further their imperial aims"
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"Never believe anything until it has been officially denied"
Claud Cockburn

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Magda Hassan Wrote:It may (or may not :fluteSmile come as a shock to you David but the police do many things which are illegal not to mention immoral many of which I have witnessed with my own eyes. I don't know if the practice of kettling has been tested yet in the courts or under what laws they conduct such procedures there. But it is appalling that any one can be trapped there and not permitted to leave. I have heard of many parents going to the areas where their children where kettled and they were not permitted to enter or remove their children. Nor were they permitted to hand them warm clothing, water or food. No toilet facilities either. It was for a period of about 6 hours.

I have been pondering the sight of the police abusing children all day because these children want an education. What sort of civilised nation is that? Bankers needs before children? What other options do these children have if education is not shown to be an option? I hope the older one's, the students with licenses to drive, take to the highways next time, like the lorry drivers. No kettling there. No predictable routes for the police to block. "Sorry officer, my car wont start"

Of course, when you try to analyze the reasoning for kettling, it is, I think, not to defuse tensions, but rather to increase them. A kettle whistles under pressure, no?
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#7
Richard Seymour at Lenins Tomb has a solid write-up of events worth reading. He was Kettled until 10:00pm last night too.

I took the liberty of posting Magda's "Anyone not a member of the Bullingdon Club leave now." [B]Youtube link[/B]
Peter Presland

".....there is something far worse than Nazism, and that is the hubris of the Anglo-American fraternities, whose routine is to incite indigenous monsters to war, and steer the pandemonium to further their imperial aims"
Guido Preparata. Preface to 'Conjuring Hitler'[size=12][size=12]
"Never believe anything until it has been officially denied"
Claud Cockburn

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#8
RAGE ON !!!!!!!!!!!

KILLING IN THE NAME

Killing in the name of!
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Huh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
But now you do what they told ya
Well now you do what they told ya

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites

Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Uggh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control (7 times)
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya!

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Come on!

Yeah! Come on!

Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Motherfucker!
Uggh!
"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
Buckminster Fuller
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#9
I posted this in another thread, but like Peter P I consider the observations of the protestor important, and am adding them here:

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:I was driving today and listening to news reports of the November 24 student protest on the radio.

The key image for MSM and the government spin doctors has been the police riot van being attacked by "violent protestors".

On the radio, I heard a marcher say that this was all a setup. The police van was deliberately abandoned by police in the area where the most militant students had gathered.

The rozzers then mysteriously vanished.

MSM snappers and TV crews stayed.

Another setup, then.

And even then, some marchers apparently tried to stop other marchers from attacking the deliberately abandoned police van.....
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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#10
http://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/370837/diff/2/3
Students are occupying university buildings all over Britain in protest of massive education cuts. For the most part universities are supporting the right to peaceful protest
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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