22-01-2011, 01:52 AM (This post was last modified: 22-01-2011, 01:57 AM by Ed Jewett.)
Paul Rigby Wrote:1) Keeps the CIA's hand-in, perhaps enables some experimentation, refinement, innovation etc in the basic techniques, not least in information management
2) Removes a candidate of some interest to Democratic elders
3) Changes within national and regional climateric (big boost for Obama, not sure of consequences in Arizona)
Any more suggest themselves?
Given what was posted from elsewhere in the thread aboutthe in-her-BMW death of Obama's legislative aide's wife, her functions, and George Soros' ties to energy investments (also of interest to Giffords), (and the availability of what PD Scott has so aptly called the condottieri (former elite military mercenaries), then we have to put a theory of a rogue privateer shooter on the list too. We are in a era of what John Robb [ http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/ ] would call open source warfare.
22-01-2011, 02:11 AM (This post was last modified: 30-05-2014, 11:25 AM by Magda Hassan.)
Kilroy posted this a while back. ["Kilroy" is a friend of mine, aka Jimiray, one of the main people in the E Pluribus Unum discussion board whose "Lynx Lair" and other material is cross-posted here at DPF.]
"I heard mention of this earlier today on the radio but didn't catch much of it. When I got home I saw it on my yahoo home page and naturally clicked on it to read about it here
I always read the first few pages of comments when they have comments. This was the first (actually last) comment I read. I wanted to post it here just for the heck of it and to follow up on any information in it. Weird but interesting comment. It might be one of those that disappear so I thought I'd capture it before that happens.
Fbi Tipster 49 minutes ago Report Abuse
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I don't place much gravitas to a tip in a comment block but, on the other hand, I just finished reading Cheri Seymour's "The Last Circle" which is replete with information linking governmental and other deep political entities to organized crime and their use of Mob hit men as their own, as admitted on video by Jimmy Hughes.
"Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"
1) The incident is still not very old; elsewhere on this site, there are still people arguing about what happened 47 years ago.
2) Initial reports had the Congresswoman dead, and the shooter identified as an Afghan war veteran, neither of which turned out to be true.
3) The shooter has been identified incorrectly in a number of ways; all manner of mud has been tossed at the fellow. He is a Tea Party member, registered Democrat, an independent, well-read (?!), a practitioner of some form of weird occult thing with potting soil, orange peels and a human skull, had prior episodes of alcohol poisoning, was a member of the Congresswoman's synagogue, had reams of files from various places (some off-limits for at least a while) indicating many bona fide questions as to his state of mind, and now is identified as a 9/11 Truther by, of all people, Robert Parry, in The 9/11 'Truth' Parlor Game (January 15, 2011).
"Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"
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Another shooting victim, a federal judge named John Roll, had been placed under 24-hour security in 2009 after ruling in favor of illegal immigrants in a high-profile case. It's unclear why he was at the supermarket event or whether the gunman was targeting him or Giffords. But for almost a year now, Arizona politicians have been grappling with anti-immigration sentiments, inflamed by reports of crossborder violence. National media attention, with its attendant voices of hysteria, only added to the churn. Pundits spoke gravely about a wave of violence, born in Mexico and now flooding Arizona. Arizona's two most famous politicians fueled the fury. Republican Senator John McCain, facing an unexpected reelection challenge from the right, ran a campaign obsessed with crossborder crime. And GOP Governor Jan Brewer, who invited the national spotlight by championing strict anti-illegal immigrant legislation, talked of beheadings in the desert.
"...This is an internal memo obtained by Fox News put out by DHS compiling facts known so far about the case - new - shooter's mother worked for Pima board of supervisers and the suspected anti-Semitic motivation of the shooter.
MEMO:
"The investigation has been taken over by the FBI, and is being run through the Tucson Command Post. Here's what can be confirmed at this time (1800 hrs)... * Gabrielle Giffords Is in ICU.* Federal judge John Roll is deceased. He did rule on a 32 million dollar civil rights lawsuit in February, 2010. That ruling brought death threats to Roll and his family, and for a time he was given a protection detail.* 6 deaths attributed to the shooting. 19 total people hit by gunfire.* suspect's mother works for the Pima County Board of Supervisors* the suspect has multiple arrests ... But no criminal record? Intervention by someone?* no direct connection - but strong suspicion is being directed at AmRen / American Renaissance. Suspect is possibly linked to this group. (through videos posted on his myspace and YouTube account.). The group's ideology is anti government, anti immigration, anti ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), anti Semitic. Gabrielle Gifford is the first Jewish female elected to such a high position in the US government. She was also opposite this group's ideology when it came to immigration debate.* DHS have a list of names and dates of birth of all victims.* the ACTIC is still playing a major role in the investigation... Computer forensics is cleaning up the surveillance videos, and images from around the scene, and involved in the investigation - working together, was MCSO, DPS, Phoenix PD, ICE, and of course the FBI. It did just come in from the command post, that the federal judge was Not originally scheduled to attend the meeting, according to wife. She stated that he received a phone call about an hour before and was invited to attend. Wrong place - wrong time. For the planning side, there are impromptu memorials popping up all over the state, but the largest one is downtown phoenix, at the capital."
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TUCSON - Safeway store surveillance videos clearly show Rep. Gabrielle Giffords being shot in the face above the left eye from about two to three feet away by accused gunman Jared Loughner, who moments later killed U.S. District Judge John Roll as he tried to take cover under a table, two sources who have viewed the footage said Tuesday.
Roll appears to be also trying to help Ron Barber, who was wounded in the attack, as Roll is seen on the video pushing Barber to the ground and getting on top of him, the sources said.
Authorities have recovered nearly two dozen surveillance videos from inside and outside the Tucson grocery store ....
Loughner showed the friend his gun. When the friend asked why he needed a firearm, Loughner responded, "For protection around the house," the sources said.
The friend did not report the incident at the time. He told his father about the episode after hearing that Loughner had been arrested Jan. 8, and the father contacted law enforcement officials, the sources said.
The videos create a vivid picture of Loughner's movements through the Safeway store, which he entered sometime after 9:54 a.m., until he opened fire on the crowd at about 10:10 a.m., the sources said. The footage is now in possession of the FBI, which has declined to release it and is holding it as evidence for a potential trial.
In the clearest of the Safeway videos, Loughner is seen emerging from the south entrance, then looping around a table that was set up outside for Giffords's "Congress on Your Corner" event with constituents. He is "hurriedly walking," one source said, then approaches Giffords head on and shoots his first bullet into her face, where it struck her just above the left eye and exited out the back of her skull.
"He walks up, goes bang. It's very clear," one source said. "He is maybe 24 to 36 inches away. You can see her go straight down."
Loughner then turns to his left and begins firing on a crowd of people who were sitting in seats and standing in line for the event. They are not seen on this video, but the camera captures muzzle flashes from the gunfire, the source said.
The video then shows Loughner turning back to his right, where 65-year-old Ron Barber, Giffords's district director, and Roll are standing. He is seen shooting Barber, who reaches for his left shoulder, the sources said.
At that point, "Judge Roll starts to push Barber down on the ground and lay on top of Barber, and they start to scamper under the table, but Roll is on top," one source said. "At that point, you can see the suspect shoot Roll. Roll gets shot in the back, then he sort of appears halfway on the other side of the table. He starts to look over his right shoulder, and then he lays back down. It took out his aorta is what the autopsy showed."
That particular video cuts off at that point .... SNIP
""Police arrest man near Thornydale and Magee Roads who is suspected of being connected to the shooting of Giffords and others. A third man is being sought.""
As a former regional EMS regional administrator and recognized student/author/instructor in mass casualty incident response management, I don't see anything here out of the ordinary (but I invite your examination).
"Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"
The real assassination target in Tucson? Commentary by Arizona sheriff
Meet Judge John Roll
"Widely respected." "A wise jurist."
The US news media heaped on the praise, but was purposefully vague about who this extraordinary judge was and what he actually did.
The early and oft-repeated media claim "the judge was just in the wrong place at the wrong time" doesn't ring true for several reasons, the most important being how the heck would they know and know so quickly?
Equally as suspicious, why did they feel the need to repeat this statement over and over again from the very beginning of the reports? Who inserted this into the news stream?
Judge Roll was an opponent of the Federal government overreaching its authority.
Specifically:
1. He ruled against federal imposition on states rights in gun law matters,
2. He ruled against elements of the Patriot Act (the part where federal "law enforcement agents" can seize your bank account without cause), and
3. He ruled against the newly announced FEMA Governor system in which the federal government plans to take the power of elected state Governors and put in in the hands of federally-appointed "regional" governors in the case of an "emergency."
It's a rare judge these days that stands up to this BS or shows any interest in the Constitution at all.
And he ended up dead in the parking lot of a Safeway Supermarket at the hands of a "lone nut" who local law enforcement allowed to run wild publicly making violent threats against employers and school administrators.
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