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Thousands March in Egyptian Capital Calling for President’s Ouster
#41
David Guyatt Wrote:Is this yet another "colour" revolution being perpetrated I wonder?



Is it possible that the forces which we have seen historically to have been involved in setting little fires of chaos have ignited a firestorm that didn't predict and can't control? The question is being asked if this isn't the great awakening that Zbignieuw Brzezinski predicted/feared?
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#42
A different cup of tea: http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/
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#43
From http://www.ricefarmer.blogspot.com/ :

Saturday, January 29, 2011

News Links


-- Egypt --
Mad scene in Suez showed the depth of Egypt's anger
What the United States has at stake in Egypt
Egypt protests: America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising
Chaos, Looting Spread as Mubarak Names Key Deputies
Egyptian capital of Cairo engulfed in chaos
Egypt's military in a quandary (Al Jazeera analysis)
Army protecting Egypt protesters from police (video)
Yesterday we saw this story about how police and protesters were fraternizing in Alexandria. Some among the police and military seem to be sympathetic to the protesters. -- RF
Egypt Stock Exchange, Banks to Close Sunday as Mubarak Protests Continue
Mohamed ElBaradei: The Egyptian people have revolted
Report: Egyptian president's son Gamal Mubarak arrives in London
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#44
More news on the enormous humanitarian progress being so spontaneously achieved on the banks of the Nile:

Quote:The CIA's Role in Egypt's Regime Change? Who Is Omar Suleiman?

by Jane Mayer


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...&aid=23004

One of the "new" names being mentioned as a possible alternative to President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, Omar Suleiman, is actually not so new to anyone who has followed the American policy of renditions for terror suspects. After dissolving his cabinet yesterday, Mubarak appointed Suleiman vice-president, and according to many commentators he is poised to be a potential successor, and an alternative to Mubarak's son and intended heir until now, Gamal Mubarak. Suleiman is a well-known quantity in Washington. Suave, sophisticated, and fluent in English, he has served for years as the main conduit between the United States and Mubarak. While he has a reputation for loyalty and effectiveness, he also carries some controversial baggage from the standpoint of those looking for a clean slate on human rights. As I described in my book "The Dark Side," since 1993 Suleiman has headed the feared Egyptian general intelligence service. In that capacity, he was the C.I.A.'s point man in Egypt for renditionsthe covert program in which the C.I.A. snatched terror suspects from around the world and returned them to Egypt and elsewhere for interrogation, often under brutal circumstances.

As laid out in greater detail by Stephen Grey, in his book "Ghost Plane," beginning in the nineteen-nineties, Suleiman negotiated directly with top Agency officials. Every rendition was greenlighted at the highest levels of both the U.S. and Egyptian intelligence agencies. Edward S. Walker, Jr., a former U.S. Ambassador to Egypt, described Suleiman as "very bright, very realistic," adding that he was cognizant that there was a downside to "some of the negative things that the Egyptians engaged in, of torture and so on. But he was not squeamish, by the way."

Technically, U.S. law required the C.I.A. to seek "assurances" from Egypt that rendered suspects wouldn't face torture. But under Suleiman's reign at the intelligence service, such assurances were considered close to worthless. As Michael Scheuer, a former C.I.A. officer who helped set up the practice of rendition, later testified before Congress, even if such "assurances" were written in indelible ink, "they weren't worth a bucket of warm spit."

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/ne...z1CVDpXPeg
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#45
Far from clear to me that a straight substitution is the ultimate intent:

Quote:Egypt's Next Strongman

BY ISSANDR AMRANI

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info...e27374.htm

January 29, 2011 "Foreign Policy" -- AUGUST 17, 2009 -- The prolonged fin de régime mood has unnerved many Egyptians, who worry that a Syrian-style inheritance-of-power scenario would usher in an era of instability. Many consider the prospect of such father-to-son nepotism humiliating for a country that has long claimed the mantle of Arab leadership. In this political environment -- in which democratic alternatives are locked out, but the population wants change -- Suleiman appears the only viable alternative to Gamal Mubarak. But who is this once-mysterious power player? And would he really mean a new era for Egypt?

Like the elder Mubarak, Suleiman rose to national prominence through the armed forces. The arc of his career followed the arc of Egypt's political history. He attended the Soviet Union's Frunze Military Academy in the 1960s -- as Mubarak did a few years earlier -- and became an infantryman. He then took part in the 1967 and 1973 Arab-Israeli wars, likely as a staff officer. When Cairo switched its strategic alliance from Moscow to Washington, he received training at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare School and Center at Fort Bragg, N.C., in the 1980s. Suleiman continues to have privileged contacts with U.S. intelligence and military officials, with whom he has now been dealing for at least a quarter-century.

As the head of the Mukhabarat, Suleiman's political and military portfolio is vast. The GIS combines the intelligence-gathering elements of the CIA, the counterterrorism role of the FBI, the protection duties of the Secret Service, and the high-level diplomacy of the State Department. It also includes some functions unique to authoritarian regimes, such as monitoring Egypt's security apparatus for signs of internal coups. It is an elite institution, with a long reach inside government as well as abroad. It also crosses over the civilian and military worlds: Suleiman is one of a rare group of Egyptian officials who hold both a military rank (lieutenant general) and a civilian office (he is a cabinet minister, though he rarely attends meetings).

Traditionally, the identity of the head of the GIS is kept secret. But after 2001, when Suleiman began to take over key dossiers from the Foreign Ministry, his name and photograph began appearing in Al-Ahram, the staid government-owned daily. He even appeared on the top half of the front page, a space usually reserved for Mubarak. Since then, his high-profile assignments have garnered high-profile coverage. He has intervened in civil wars in Sudan, patched up the tiff between Saudi King Abdullah and Libyan leader Muammar el-Qaddafi over the latter's alleged attempt to assassinate the former, and put pressure on Syria to stop meddling in Lebanon and to dissociate itself from Iran.

Most importantly, Suleiman has mediated in the Israel-Palestine conflict, Egypt's most pressing national security priority. Since the June 2007 Hamas takeover of Gaza, Cairo has acted as an interlocutor and mediator between Hamas and Fatah. Although its attempts to reconcile the two groups have led to few clear victories -- in part, perhaps, because Egypt is clearly hostile to the Islamists -- its foreign policy has won the approval of the United States and the European Union.
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"

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#46
I wonder how deeply involved in all this are the Muslim Brotherhood?

I don't know enough about the subject to know if the linked article is valid or not.
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#47
Don't know David. The MB are seen as fairly powerful by the (still) ruling party in Egypt and they have been banned by them. And there are historical links between them and MI6 http://markcurtis.wordpress.com/2010/12/...and-1950s/
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#48
Thanks Maggie. They might be worth considering in all this.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
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#49
...amazing what they don't teach in history classes and how uninformed most, even well educated persons are about the real events of/in history - and all that went on behind or in place of the fairytale lies of twisting of the truth/partial truths told, and believed by all too many throughout their lives.
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David Guyatt Wrote:I wonder how deeply involved in all this are the Muslim Brotherhood?

I don't know enough about the subject to know if the linked article is valid or not.

Fascinating!
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"

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