Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again.

[Magda Hassan]

Here you go Peter. Don't want to deprive you of a good video.

[Peter Lemkin]

Not bad, not bad!.....someone [unknown] in Pakistan just released clear and long video images of the 'OBL' compound as it is now......a garden; lots of blood on the floors; everything overturned and broken; etc. Supposedly, the buildings and walls will soon be torn down. WTC, take II.

The official Al Quaida website has announced [for what its worth - as who knows who actually puts up this page....] that OBL is now dead [time/year of death not mentioned]...and threatens a sea of revenge.... :mexican:

[Jan Klimkowski]

Doesn't this judge understand that his function in office is to support the War on Terror blindly, without criticism or independent thought?

Germany: Judge Files Criminal Charges Against Chancellor Merkel For Saying She Was "Glad" Bin Laden Was Killed…

A Hamburg judge has filed a criminal complaint against Chancellor Angela Merkel for "endorsing a crime" after she stated she was "glad" that Osama bin Laden was killed by US forces. Meanwhile a new poll reveals that a majority of Germans do not see the terrorist's death as a reason to celebrate.

Schadenfreude, the enjoyment of others' suffering, may be a famously German concept, but it is apparently not a feeling that many Germans aspire to. The political and public fallout following Chancellor Angela Merkel's statement on Monday that she was "glad" Osama bin Laden had been killed was among the most hotly debated topics in the German media this week.

Politicians, including those within her own center-right coalition, said that no death was cause for celebration, and reproved the remark as un-Christian and vengeful.

But Hamburg judge Heinz Uthmann went even further. He alleges that the chancellor's statement was nothing short of illegal, and filed a criminal complaint against Merkel midweek, the daily Hamburger Morgenpost reported Friday.

"I am a law-abiding citizen and as a judge, sworn to justice and law," the 54-year-old told the paper, adding that Merkel's words were "tacky and undignified."

In his two-page document, Uthmann, a judge for 21 years, cites section 140 of the German Criminal Code, which forbids the "rewarding and approving" of crimes. In this case, Merkel endorsed a "homicide," Uthmann claimed. The violation is punishable by up to three years' imprisonment or a fine.

"For the daughter of a Christian pastor, the comment is astonishing and at odds with the values of human dignity, charity and the rule of law," Uthmann told the newspaper.

A Sober German Reaction

While the judge's reaction may seem extreme, his sentiments are apparently shared by 64 percent of the German population. That was the proportion of Germans who said bin Laden's death was "no reason to rejoice" in a poll published by broadcaster ARD on Friday.

Among respondents who said they identified with Germany's three main opposition parties, an even greater proportion were disgusted with the jubilation over the al-Qaida leader's death. Their views mirror recent comments made by opposition politicians on the issue.

But even among supporters of Merkel's conservative Christian Democrats (CDU) and their junior coalition partners, the pro-business Free Democrats (FDP), barely half of those polled said they empathized with Merkel's view.

The chancellor has declined to withdraw her statement, but the outcry prompted government press spokesman Steffen Seibert to defend her on Thursday. "The reason for her happiness was the thought that this man would no longer pose any danger," he said, adding that her statement had been reported out of context.

Seibert added that Merkel "appreciates that those who heard only this sentence ... might have found the combination of the words 'death' and 'glad' in one phrase to be inappropriate."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germ...61077.html

[Magda Hassan]

Sems to be more info in the Pakistani papers than others. Also interesting comment after article.

[B]ISLAMABAD: Osama bin Laden may have lived in Pakistan for over seven years before being shot dead by US forces, senior Pakistani security officials said on Saturday, a disclosure that could further anger key ally Washington over the presence of enemy number one in the country.[/B]
One of Bin Laden's widows told Pakistani investigators that the world's most wanted man stayed in a village for nearly two and a half years before moving to the nearby garrison town of Abbottabad, where he was killed.
The wife, Amal Ahmed Abdulfattah, told investigators earlier that Bin Laden and his family had spent five years in Abbottabad, before one of the world's most elaborate and expensive manhunts ended there on Monday.
"Amal (bin Laden's wife) told investigators that they lived in a village in Haripur district for nearly two and a half years before moving to Abbottabad at the end of 2005," one of the security officials told Reuters on condition of anonymity.
Abdulfattah, along with two other wives and several children, were among 15-16 people detained by Pakistani authorities at the compound after the raid.
Pakistan, heavily dependent on billions of dollars of US aid, is under heavy pressure to explain how Bin Laden could have spent so many years undetected a few hours drive from its intelligence headquarters in the capital.
Suspicions have deepened that Pakistan's pervasive Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) spy agency, which has a long history of contacts with militant groups, may have had ties with Bin Laden or at least some of its agents did.
Pakistan has dismissed such suggestions and says it has paid the highest price in terms of human life and money supporting the US war on militancy launched after Bin Laden's followers staged the September 11, 2001, attacks on America.
Pakistani leaders were already facing a staggering number of problems before revelations that Bin Laden was in their backyard for years raised new questions about their commitment to fighting militancy. Al Qaeda-linked Taliban militants who seem to stage suicide bombings at will remain a major security threat despite several military offensives against their bases in the forbidding mountainous border region between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
The economy is stagnant and in order to keep it afloat the government must impose politically unpopular economic reforms to keep money from an $11 billion International Monetary Fund loan flowing to Pakistan.
And Pakistanis are growing impatient with high food prices, poor services and infrastructure, and an education system that is so flawed that many parents are forced to send their children to Islamic seminaries that spread hard-line ideologies.
Anger and suspicion between Washington and Islamabad over the raid in Abbottabad, 30 miles (50 km) from the Pakistani capital, showed no sign of abating.
The New York Times on Saturday quoted Pakistani officials as saying the Obama administration had demanded Pakistan disclose the identities of some of its top intelligence operatives as Washington seeks to find out whether they had contact with Bin Laden or his agents before the raid on his compound.
The officials were providing details of what the Times called a tense discussion between Pakistani officials and a US envoy in Pakistan on Monday.
A Pakistani security official denied the report, which he called "untrue" and "malicious".
Many in Washington suspect Pakistani authorities had been either grossly incompetent or playing a double game in the hunt for Bin Laden and the two countries' supposed partnership against violent Islamists.
As it engages in damage control over Bin Laden's presence, Pakistan's government must prepare for the possibility that supporters angered by Bin Laden's death will hit back. Since al Qaeda has ties with the Pakistani Taliban, this country could make an easy target.
Al Qaeda has acknowledged that Bin Laden is dead, dispelling doubts by some Muslims the militant group's leader had really been killed by US forces, and vowed to mount more attacks on the West. The announcement on Friday by the militant organisation appeared intended to show its followers around the globe the group had survived as a functioning network.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/163836/bin-l...r-7-years/

[Peter Lemkin]

Doesn't this judge understand that his function in office is to support the War on Terror blindly, without criticism or independent thought?

Germany: Judge Files Criminal Charges Against Chancellor Merkel For Saying She Was "Glad" Bin Laden Was Killed…

A Hamburg judge has filed a criminal complaint against Chancellor Angela Merkel for "endorsing a crime" after she stated she was "glad" that Osama bin Laden was killed by US forces. Meanwhile a new poll reveals that a majority of Germans do not see the terrorist's death as a reason to celebrate.

Schadenfreude, the enjoyment of others' suffering, may be a famously German concept, but it is apparently not a feeling that many Germans aspire to. The political and public fallout following Chancellor Angela Merkel's statement on Monday that she was "glad" Osama bin Laden had been killed was among the most hotly debated topics in the German media this week.

Politicians, including those within her own center-right coalition, said that no death was cause for celebration, and reproved the remark as un-Christian and vengeful.

But Hamburg judge Heinz Uthmann went even further. He alleges that the chancellor's statement was nothing short of illegal, and filed a criminal complaint against Merkel midweek, the daily Hamburger Morgenpost reported Friday.

"I am a law-abiding citizen and as a judge, sworn to justice and law," the 54-year-old told the paper, adding that Merkel's words were "tacky and undignified."

In his two-page document, Uthmann, a judge for 21 years, cites section 140 of the German Criminal Code, which forbids the "rewarding and approving" of crimes. In this case, Merkel endorsed a "homicide," Uthmann claimed. The violation is punishable by up to three years' imprisonment or a fine.

"For the daughter of a Christian pastor, the comment is astonishing and at odds with the values of human dignity, charity and the rule of law," Uthmann told the newspaper.

A Sober German Reaction

While the judge's reaction may seem extreme, his sentiments are apparently shared by 64 percent of the German population. That was the proportion of Germans who said bin Laden's death was "no reason to rejoice" in a poll published by broadcaster ARD on Friday.

Among respondents who said they identified with Germany's three main opposition parties, an even greater proportion were disgusted with the jubilation over the al-Qaida leader's death. Their views mirror recent comments made by opposition politicians on the issue.

But even among supporters of Merkel's conservative Christian Democrats (CDU) and their junior coalition partners, the pro-business Free Democrats (FDP), barely half of those polled said they empathized with Merkel's view.

The chancellor has declined to withdraw her statement, but the outcry prompted government press spokesman Steffen Seibert to defend her on Thursday. "The reason for her happiness was the thought that this man would no longer pose any danger," he said, adding that her statement had been reported out of context.

Seibert added that Merkel "appreciates that those who heard only this sentence ... might have found the combination of the words 'death' and 'glad' in one phrase to be inappropriate."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germ...61077.html

Too bad he's not eligible to be an American Judge.....like the Supremes....

Our Police, Prosecutors and Judges put you away forever [often without legal process] for saying the same.

[Peter Lemkin]

So, if true, OBL was in Pakistan [and not the Tribal Territories in the mountains for almost 9 years] - almost all the time from his leaving Tora Bora. :mexican: Or at least this legend would have it so.....this will obviously never get resolved 'officially', any more than Dallas, or a thousand other black and false-flag ops.

[Jan Klimkowski]

The award for Stupidest Article by MSM Expert goes to Guardian Terror Analyst Jason Burke.

Burke is frequently rolled out for interview in "serious" documentaries as an Al Qaeda subject specialist.

Does he seriously believe that "the hardcore (Al-Qaida) leadership has always been bureaucratic, with councils and committees for almost everything"?

If this was true, a couple of drone or missile attacks - perhaps with nukes authorized by White House Hired Lawyers and rabid dogs like Cheney - would have ended the bogus "War on Terror" many years ago.

Al-Qaida statement should kill off Bin Laden conspiracy theories

Terror group's message reinforces conclusion that even without its leader, it is still capable of coherent action

Jason Burke guardian.co.uk, Friday 6 May 2011 16.45 BST

The most obvious effect of this statement from al-Qaida is to kill off some if not all of the rapidly multiplying conspiracy theories claiming Bin Laden is not dead. A poll published in Pakistan shows that 66% of people believe the man killed was not Osama bin Laden. Now, the only way to maintain that belief is to dismiss the al-Qaida statement as false.

This development does not necessarily vindicate Barack Obama for deciding not to release pictures of Bin Laden's corpse, but may mitigate the results of that decision.

Another effect is to reinforce the conclusion that even without its leader, al-Qaida is still capable of some kind of coherent action. Propaganda by deed has always been the favoured strategy of al-Qaida's leadership. Here then, is the propaganda.

The attention focused on this new statement takes us back to the days when al-Qaida under the leadership of Bin Laden had the ability to dominate the news agenda almost at will. Every video would receive front page treatment, every tape would have analysts scrambling into chairs in TV studios. Bin Laden even managed to steal the headlines in the days before the 2004 American presidential election with a judiciously timed statement.

But attention has gradually drifted away from al-Qaida. Two things could have returned the group to centre stage: a spectacular attack or the death of its leader. In the end it was the second.

Al-Qaida's communications channels are still clearly working. A statement has been prepared, vetted and disseminated relatively quickly. However fluid and dynamic the broader movement might have been, the hardcore leadership has always been bureaucratic, with councils and committees for almost everything. Clearly they are still meeting or at least talking amongst themselves enough to be able to thrash out a statement. Decapitation has not stopped the organisation functioning, at least for the moment.

Al-Qaida appears to have been able to choose its timing too. The announcement came immediately after Friday prayers in the Arab world and, crucially, in Pakistan. For it is in Pakistan that al-Qaida calls on "our Muslim people … on whose land Sheikh Osama was killed to rise up and revolt".

The appeal to Pakistan is not new. Since 2007, al-Qaida propaganda has increasingly focused on it. With a population of nearly 200 million and deep troubles, it is rare, genuinely fertile ground for the violent al-Qaida extremists' narrative and ideology.

Likewise the statement continues al-Qaida's line on Palestine, a key theme for many years and one that Bin Laden knew was guaranteed to push the right buttons with an increasingly sceptical audience.

Any personality cult takes careful maintenance and the signs are that this effort will be made: "Sheikh Osama didn't build an organisation to die and then just to take it away with him."

Al-Qaida is careful to try to broaden its functions beyond the murderous violence that has turned away so many Muslims. "The university of faith, Qur'an and jihad that was founded by Sheikh Osama bin Laden hasn't and will not close its doors."

One of Osama bin Laden's key insights was that the mission should match the message, rather than vice versa. The question posed to security services around the world is: what is the mission matching the words that were issued this afternoon? When will the deed catch up with the propaganda.

[Magda Hassan]

Makes no sense in any case does it? If Al Qaida is a sub department of Langley it's just their own counter script and if such an entity as AQ exists outside the confines of the Langley creation then it seems obvious they too have their own reason for playing the game.

[Jan Klimkowski]

Makes no sense in any case does it? If Al Qaida is a sub department of Langley it's just their own counter script and if such an entity as AQ exists outside the confines of the Langley creation then it seems obvious they too have their own reason for playing the game.

Yup.

Burke's article begins with the truly inspired (my emphasis):

The most obvious effect of this statement from al-Qaida is to kill off some if not all of the rapidly multiplying conspiracy theories claiming Bin Laden is not dead. A poll published in Pakistan shows that 66% of people believe the man killed was not Osama bin Laden. Now, the only way to maintain that belief is to dismiss the al-Qaida statement as false.

Yes, Jason. That statement is as false as the concept of Al-Qaida as genuine terror organisation.

Al Qaeda is as much of a plot device as 1984's The Brotherhood, with Osama Bin Laden playing the role of Emmanuel Goldstein.

[Peter Lemkin]

I feel as if I'm caught in a strange time machine....NOW, Al Jazeera is showing new videos provided by the Penatagang showing OBL watching [with black beard] himself [with white beard] on Al Jazeera on TV from his home...and there are others that were released of him talking [with no audio], so AJ is going to get some lip readers to tell what he says. One [to me] looks like him [not saying it is], the other looks a bit different and younger than some others we have seen of 'him'.....very bizarre stuff.....we were told audio with no video and we get video with no audio.....go figure out what the f*** they are doing, other than stringing this whole story out [I'd guess at least until the 10th anniversary of 911 and beyond]....and playing with our heads. Of OBL, whenever [if ever] he died....he is risen!!!! :angeldevil: Oh, yes, Pentagang say it was an active command and control center....and more.....the real hype is just about to come...

:wirlitzer: In psyop terms, rather than 'killing' the myth of OBL, they have built it into a cult or religion, of sorts; and made him a martyr, which in Islam is such an important position. :nono: Why do I not think by accident?! hock:

The best I can figure [at this point] the 'officials' (sic) in the U SS A admit to knowing exactly who lived in that compound raided on Monday since August...and seem to hint that they knew since it was built. So, again, the why now question comes up....whether this was OBL, his ghost, his double, of some poor schmuck killed in his place. :alberteinstein: