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I don't debate that it could have been faked; I only do not see the evidence that it was, in the manner suggested. The technology exists, but the evidence [IMHO] points in other directions. We are all crippled [as in so many other subjects] by the official cover-up, lies, disinformation, control of MSM, etc. A large number of theories re: 911 are incorrect, if only because they are mutually exclusive and it only happened one way. While I find nothing wrong in exploring [a little] even the implausible, I personally find this one in that category. I always am open to changing my mind to fit the available evidence. However, just because something can be done one way, doesn't mean it was done that way. :mexican:
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Gentlemen, to a very great extent, I have given up trying to figure it all out at the same level you and others are trying to do so. Perhaps it is a personal thing for me, given what I have been through in the past five years, given what is on my plate at this time on a personal level. Debate as you see fit; I am not here to shut off debate but if anything to jump-start it to see how others react and what they see or don't see.
As noted, I am in the middle of another project and spend much of my daily time pursuing it, but raise my head long enough to try to survey the online world of news and discussion, browsing web sites, participating in discussion boards, reading books, and otherwise being engaged in day-to-day life. The project involves some kind of still-in-development synthesis of about 25 books, and three times that many articles and monographs. It is, as well, a review of what I know, or think I know, of who I am and what I believe, that goes very far beyond the issue of whether there was a plane(s) or not on 9/11. [Gee, of course there were planes; the issue is which ones, what happened to them and their passengers, and what other flying objects -- mythical or otherwise -- were involved. As Umberto Eco said "... history has largely been the theater of an illusion...."]
"... the sinister forces which profit from the maintenance of international tension cling tenaciously to their positions..." said Nikita Khrushchev.
And it is clear as well that they brook no interference.
So the question, given the many methods of mind control, perception control, and information control at play in the world for the last half-century, is this:
To what extent am I obligated to reveal what I know, think or believe to anyone other than my self?
If you think or are alleging that I myself am an active agent of perception control, then you are obligated to provide your evidence for that as much or more than I am obligated to argue on behalf of some POV or tidbit of information I posted.
From Peter Levenda: ""Add all of this to espionage activities and you have a perfect fruit salad of paranoia, power and prestige, mixing secret government work with secret rituals and the manipulation of those sinister forces we have been studying. The secret handshake of the cult and the secret code of the intelligence agency: they both invoke the power of relationships that are beyond the reach of the ordinary human being. The cultist believes he can summon the very hounds of hell to his aid; the intelligence agent can overthrow government, terminate a politician, or call in an airstrike. Either way, the gates of the underworld are opened."
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Ed Jewett Wrote:"... the sinister forces which profit from the maintenance of international tension cling tenaciously to their positions..." said Nikita Khrushchev.
To which I would add George Michael Evica's reference to a "treasonous cabal of intelligence officers whose masters were above Cold War differences."
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Charles Drago Wrote:Ed Jewett Wrote:"... the sinister forces which profit from the maintenance of international tension cling tenaciously to their positions..." said Nikita Khrushchev.
To which I would add George Michael Evica's reference to a "treasonous cabal of intelligence officers whose masters were above Cold War differences."
See the just-posted "The Federal Reserve Cartel: The Eight Families" et alia.
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Ed Jewett Wrote:To what extent am I obligated to reveal what I know, think or believe to anyone other than my self? At least as far as I know, you're under no such obligation. However, it would be respectful to the concept of a discussion forum if what you do chose to reveal became less abstracted from the topic of this thread than your ongoing quoting of loosely relevant statements and prattling on about how busy you are with other things.
Ed Jewett Wrote:If you think or are alleging that I myself am an active agent of perception control No, I've seen no reason to suspect you're anything more than an unwitting accomplice.
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Ed,
I know you to be a most "witting" gentleman whose work on the side of the angels is eloquent, substantive, and highly valued.
Your bona fides are well-established.
Mr. Burnett, if you would, please summarize what you believe to be Mr. Jewett's failures of intellect and/or nerve. If you cannot be specific and attentive to detail, please don't bother with the exercise.
Charles
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Thank you, Charles. I am up to my ears in books, am slowly excerpting parts of them to an offline web site as "work process" and will attempt a synthesis in good time. Arriving today are two by Jeff Sharlet on the involvement of fundamentalist beliefs in the right wing politics of America, Nick Begich's earlier work on HAARP to complement the already-acquired "Controlling The Human Mind: The Techniques of Political Control or Tools of Peak Performance", and the inter-library loan of "Gentleman Spy" by Peter Grose. (I saw a reference to something in that book that warrants deeper inquiry.) I take note that the new building, to replace the ones in The Big Apple that were transformed to dust and/or transported to China overnight, will be called One World Trade Center, so everything will soon be tidily in Order.
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Charles Drago Wrote:Mr. Burnett, if you would, please summarize what you believe to be Mr. Jewett's failures of intellect and/or nerve. I've not suggested Ed is lacking in either intellect or nerve, nor do I assume anything of the sort. For all I know he could be a genius with balls of steel, but I take issue with those who promote claims they are unwilling to scrutinize themselves regardless.
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Kyle Burnett Wrote:Charles Drago Wrote:Mr. Burnett, if you would, please summarize what you believe to be Mr. Jewett's failures of intellect and/or nerve. I've not suggested Ed is lacking in either intellect or nerve, nor do I assume anything of the sort. For all I know he could be a genius with balls of steel, but I take issue with those who promote claims they are unwilling to scrutinize themselves regardless.
Kyle, I can assure you I don't have balls of steel, and as for intellect, I graduated from public high school and attended a large state university, from which I emerged with a GPA just a whisker over 2.0 and a bachelor's degree earned over a period of 13 years; I had to wrestle the diploma out of the hands of the Dean.
Along the way, I have lost more than a few synapses. (Luckily, those things are plastic, I'm told.)
And I've been looking at and discussing the issue of 9/11 in online discussion formats since Feb 22 2006 at 11:31 PM. When that discussion got contentious, after I sought out David Ray Griffin and he and I combined to make a post in rebuttal to an outlandish claim about him, I was accused of stretching the rules of online debate beyond a reasonable norm, and so I formed another discussion board. So I bet I've seen some similar theories about video manipulation. My neck is already well-extended on the topic of 9/11.
As noted, I am involved in a heavy investigative reading project of my own that requires a lot of time while I simultaneously -- well, you aren't on the list of people who need to know how I spend my time.
I did note (did you?) that the link from which the video and argument was taken had at least seven prior posts on the same matter.
You have said that you would be happy to oblige in discussing the matter, so have at it. The floor is yours. State a thesis, or tear this one down.
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Ed Jewett Wrote:I did note (did you?) that the link from which the video and argument was taken had at least seven prior posts on the same matter. No, the poorly reasoned arguments on the page you linked didn't inspire me to look into the blog any further.
Ed Jewett Wrote:You have said that you would be happy to oblige in discussing the matter, so have at it. State a thesis, or tear this one down. I said that if you are interested in discussing the matter I'd be happy to oblige, using the term "discuss" in its primary sense, as in a conversation between two or more people. That's why I posted the videos in my first reply to this thread, as I believe they do well to tear down claim in the video you linked. However, I'm not going to go stabbing in the dark as to why you haven't acknowledged that response, or as to whatever other arguments for video fakery you might find compelling.
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