UFOS - the serious new deep political research topic?

[David Guyatt]

Btw Kate, it is important to note that Jacques Vallee is believed to have been a member of The Aviary (see HERE). This is significant, I think, in his view that the "Greys" or aliens are transdimensional (i.e., inner world)in character - and if you look to the beginning of this thread and Crowley's master Lam, an "inner world" guide (who clearly was the template for the later aliens known as "Greys"), it becomes evident that the whole structure of aliens is metaphysical in character. It is also significant for another reason. If Crowley's Master Lam originated from the realms of the "Qlippoth" -- that is to say the "Tunnels of Set" then we are, indeed, dealing with something very unpleasant.

For more details on this see HERE

As spooky as it is, it can barely be denied that there are clear connections between a variety of curious subjects including mind control technology, UFOs, advanced Nazi weapons, Nazi occult practices of the Himmler/Thule Gesellschaft variety, L Ron Hubbard, the US and Nazi Rocket Programme (Crowleyite Jack Parsons et al), the Priory of Sion, the Nephilim (Watchers), the Merovignian bloodline, the Tunnels of Set a.k.a., the Tree of Death, the SS and the Scwarze Sonne -- also the "Black Sun" of alchemical literature and, of course, Jung's various discourses on the personal and Collective Shadow and the assassination of JFK. To mention just some key ones.

[Ludwig Schulz]

I have been reading this thread with interest, especially the post about the meaning of the “grey alien” face.
I want to point the attention to the following article that appeared in the “sceptic magazine”.

http://www.skeptic.com/the_magazine/feat...faces.html

The main argument is, that a lot of animals have inborn visual recognition templates, which help them recognizing certain shapes which are of extreme importance to them.
In the case of human beings, there seems to be some kind of facial recognition template. Being able to recognizing a face is a highly specialized human ability of great importance, especially being able to recognize the mother/parents. The visual capabilities of the newborn are quiet limited, so faces are seen distorted, the authors of this article try to figure out how a face might be perceived by a newborn and come to the conclusion that it looks pretty much like your typical “grey alien” face (or “Master Lam”). Since the newborn is reacting to it, even though having no own past experience with faces, they argue that the inborn visual recognition template of the newborn must resemble the "grey alien" face.
The grey alien face could well be the inherited “archetypal face” pre-programmed into every human brain.
If valid, these findings certainly offer interesting possibilities to interpret the abduction experience, or could give an explanation why a face like this would be useful in some kind of “psyop”. The typical abduction experience has lot more distinct features which could be interpreted as relived birth experiences.

[David Guyatt]

I have been reading this thread with interest, especially the post about the meaning of the “grey alien” face.
I want to point the attention to the following article that appeared in the “sceptic magazine”.

http://www.skeptic.com/the_magazine/feat...faces.html

The main argument is, that a lot of animals have inborn visual recognition templates, which help them recognizing certain shapes which are of extreme importance to them.
In the case of human beings, there seems to be some kind of facial recognition template. Being able to recognizing a face is a highly specialized human ability of great importance, especially being able to recognize the mother/parents. The visual capabilities of the newborn are quiet limited, so faces are seen distorted, the authors of this article try to figure out how a face might be perceived by a newborn and come to the conclusion that it looks pretty much like your typical “grey alien” face (or “Master Lam”). Since the newborn is reacting to it, even though having no own past experience with faces, they argue that the inborn visual recognition template of the newborn must resemble the "grey alien" face.
The grey alien face could well be the inherited “archetypal face” pre-programmed into every human brain.
If valid, these findings certainly offer interesting possibilities to interpret the abduction experience, or could give an explanation why a face like this would be useful in some kind of “psyop”. The typical abduction experience has lot more distinct features which could be interpreted as relived birth experiences.

Ludwig, welcome and thank you for your thoughtful post. There is also an excellent essay by Martin Cannon written several years ago called "The Controller's" that also speaks of the psyops aspect of alien Greys etc. You can find it HERE. Prior to writing that, Martin was better known for is insightful essays in the mind control field.

Canon's essay contains this intriguing statement:

In this light, the film version of COMMUNION - whose screenplay was written by Whitley Strieber - takes on a new interest: The abduction sequences contain inexplicable images indicating that the "greys" are really props, or masks.

Strieber's Grey alien image could easily have been lifted straight from Crowley's pencil sketch of his Master Lam. But it might just as easily have been lifted from the 1950's British comic the Eagle that featured the weekly adventures of spacepilot Dan Dare and is arch adversary the aien being known as the Mekon -- the little "green" dude usually wafting about on a flying plate (saucer?) seen HERE

I contend that it was no accident that the Mekon (aka Grey alien forerunner) appeared in a 1950's comic - the argument being that the entire UFO myth was created in the 1950's -- specifically 1947 -- with Kenneth Arnold's sighting of the first ever flying saucers.

[Dixie Dea]

David

I had read Martin Cannon's pages and then later on, I ran across this page. Do you have any explanation about why he would seemingly no longer believe his theories and turn away from everything. He mentions that he was tired of being accused of being a spook, but I wonder if there is more to it then that.

http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1997/mar/d21-001.shtml

Dixie

[David Guyatt]

David

I had read Martin Cannon's pages and then later on, I ran across this page. Do you have any explanation about why he would seemingly no longer believe his theories and turn away from everything. He mentions that he was tired of being accused of being a spook, but I wonder if there is more to it then that.

http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1997/mar/d21-001.shtml

Dixie

Hi Dixie. Yes, I was in contact with him briefly back in the late 1990's and I think he had reached the point of disgusted burn out. Investigating UFO's and mind control is hard work and you do come into contact with all the fruit cakes -- and I can personally attest (re mind control anyway) to the fact that you can easily get sick of the subject and need time to stand back and rebalance yourself. So that's my best guess anyway.

But also, as Jan (I think) has mentioned elsewhere on this forum, he received death threats from John Alexander's CIA mate Gordon Novel of JFK fame. Which may or may not have had an impact?

edit = PS: I would add that any hopes anyone had (me included) of making a living researching and writing about serious conspiracy matters is virtually doomed to failure. This also hurts. A lot. At every turn you get screwed and the worse predators in this respect are TV types who want to bleed you for what you know but not pay a penny for it.

I eventually took the view to just do it anyway because I wanted the information out there - and was ultimately able to reconcile living in virtual poverty to achieve this (although I was always aware that compared to the starving in the third world I lived like a king!).

On the death threat and Aviary see HERE

[Jan Klimkowski]

I spoke with Martin Cannon shortly after the manuscript of The Controllers was circulated - largely privately - in the 1990s.

It is important to note that, to my knowledge, it is still a manuscript and has never been formally published.

There is much I won't say on a public forum.

However, I will say that Martin Cannon is an intelligent and diligent researcher, and The Controllers is an important and interesting document.

It is, in large part, a perceptive exploration of a hypothesis which I will quote in Martin Cannon's own words:

The fault lies not in our stars, but in ourselves.

THE HYPOTHESIS

Substantial evidence exists linking members of this country's intelligence community (including the Central Intelligence Agency, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, and the Office of Naval Intelligence) with the esoteric technology of MIND CONTROL. For decades, "spy- chiatrists" working behind the scenes -- on college campuses, in CIA-sponsored institutes, and (most heinously) in prisons -- have experimented with the erasure of memory, hypnotic resistance to torture, truth serums, post-hypnotic suggestion, rapid induction of hypnosis, electronic stimulation of the brain, non-ionizing radiation, microwave induction of intracerebral "voices," and a host of even more disturbing technologies. Some of the projects exploring these areas were ARTICHOKE, BLUEBIRD, PANDORA, MKDELTA, MKSEARCH and the infamous MKULTRA.

I have read nearly every available book on these projects, as well as the relevant congressional testimony[5]. I have also spent much time in university libraries researching relevant articles, contacting other researchers (who have graciously allowed me access to their files), and conducting interviews. Moreover, I traveled to Washington, DC to review the files John Marks compiled when he wrote THE SEARCH FOR "THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE"[6]. These files include some 20,000 pages of CIA and Defense Department documents, interviews, scientific articles, letters, etc. The views presented here are the result of extensive and ongoing research.

As a result of this research, I have come to the following conclusions:

1. Although misleading (and occasionally perjured) testimony before Congress indicated that the CIA's "brainwashing" efforts met with little success[7], striking advances were, in fact, made in this field. As CIA veteran Miles Copeland once admitted to a reporter, "The congressional subcommittee which went into this sort of thing got only the barest glimpse." [8]

2. Clandestine research into thought manipulation has NOT stopped, despite CIA protestations that it no longer sponsors such studies. Victor Marchetti, 14-year veteran of the CIA and author of the renown expose, THE CIA AND THE CULT OF INTELLIGENCE, confirmed in a 1977 interview that the mind control research continues, and that CIA claims to the contrary are a "cover story."[9]

3. The Central Intelligence Agency was not the only government agency involved in this research[10]. Indeed, many branches of our government took part in these studies - - including NASA, the Atomic Energy Commission, as well as all branches of the Defense Department.

To these conclusions I would append the following -- NOT as firmly-established historical fact, but as a working hypothesis and grounds for investigation:

4. The "UFO abduction" phenomenon MIGHT be a continuation of clandestine mind control operations.

I recognize the difficulties this thesis might present to those readers emotionally wedded to the extraterrestrial hypothesis, or to those whose political WELTANSHAUUNG disallows any such suspicions. Still, the open-minded student of abductions should consider the possibilities. Certainly, we are not being narrow-minded if we ask researchers to exhaust ALL terrestrial explanations before looking heavenward.

Granted, this particular explanation may, at first, seem as bizarre as the phenomenon itself. But I invite the skeptical reader to examine the work of George Estabrooks, a seminal theorist on the use of hypnosis in warfare, and a veteran of Project MKULTRA. Estabrooks once amused himself during a party by covertly hypnotizing two friends, who were led to believe that the Prime Minister of England had just arrived; Estabrooks' victims spent an hour conversing with, and even serving drinks to, the esteemed visitor[11]. For ufologists, this incident raises an inescapable question: If the Mesmeric arts can successfully evoke a non-existent Prime Minister, why can't a representative from the Pleiades be similarly induced?

But there is much more to the present day technology of mind control than mere hypnosis -- and many good reasons to suspect that UFO abduction accounts are an artifact of continuing brainwashing/behavior modification experiments. Moreover, I intend to demonstrate that, by using UFO mythology as a cover story, the experimenters may have solved the major problem with the work conducted in the 1950s -- "the disposal problem," i.e., the question of "What do we do with the victims?"

If, in these pages, I seem to stray from the subject of the saucers, I plead for patience. Before I attempt to link UFO abductions with mind control experiments, I must first show that this technology EXISTS. Much of the forthcoming is an introduction to the topic of mind control -- what it is, and how it works.

[Dixie Dea]

Thanks David and also Jan.....quite interesting INFO! I sure can understand what happens when one tries to decipher or dive into such topics. Just with the very small attempts that I have made, I am findIng that the study just never ends. It continually takes you into areas you hadn't even thought about, which then requires another new study in ttself. Just on this thread alone, I have found names I never heard of and have been trying to check out each one, for just a little info about them and their theories.


Then there is all the.disinfo and the outright fruit loops, that keep you so confused as to what is truth and what is not....or what is just pure fairy tale fantasy. So, I do have to conclude this all leads to both great fear as well as deep burnout....not to mention perhaps redicule.


I mentioned some time hack that I had been working on something, along these lines, but it has been hard trying to pursue it. I have spent months just trying to find something that might confirm my growing suspicions regarding a certain Psychiatrist, but I am not hardly finding. anything, that might confirm it. But then also, I am suspicious that no info seems available, through google anyway.....even though I have used so many different categories in my search engine efforts. I only get the very limited and usually one sentence same info in every account mentioned of him, that has been copied over and over in hundreds of different websites. I just find that real strange for a Psychiatrist, who was regarded as so prestigious.. Although I was finally able to find some additional info, which gives me even more suspiciions of him. I have not even been able to find an Obituary for him, even though I believe that he passed away several years ago. Could be he was just as has been described and I am only just whistlening in the dark about him Or perhaps I am just overly suspicious because I grew up when it was thought that a Communist was hiding behind every tree...:-)


At the same time, I am continually getting sidetracked with other pertinent info that I just feel compelled to also check out.,,,which takes me into "other dimensions" related to this study. I have attempted to study some areas of Mind Control, throgh the years, but there is just so much info in that regard.


I do believe that many people are seeing something and even feel that some believe that they were abducted by aliens. However, I do NOT bellieve that UFO's are from another galaxy and believe there is other explanations to account for so-called alien abductions, such as with the discussions on ths thread. Problem is, that in both sides of this issue there are strange, imaginative and also rather preposterous accounts and theories.


Well. I have been involved in JFK studies for many years, so perhaps this is all just a new and additional form of interest and studies for me. However, I wasn't really wanting to get in so deep that I also feel compelled to buy every book involved....but some are actually beginning to be of interest to me. I already have quite an extensive collection of JFK Assn, related books and hate to get involved in another collection... :-) Yet, I am continually being more intrigued.


Maybe I should attempt to write up all that I do have about my specific subject of interest and post it here and then see if anyone else might have some additional thoughts or even some answers....or even if my suspicions are unfounded.


While I am thinking of it, what is the thought in regard to what has been referred do as MILABS? So far, parts of it seems somewhat plausible and yet it always seems to get into areas of seeming to be.too implausible.,,,like they get too carried away, with their imaginative theories. So then it all begins to seem as improbable (to me anyway) just as the belief in UFO's and alien abductions from other galaxy's. Although it has occurred to me that it has all been orchestrated by disinfo's in order to both confuse or actually sound rediculous.....so that we cannot get at the truth of what might actually be going on.

Oh, another question I have.....what is the (perhaps hidden) function or agenda in regard to the Rockfeller Foundation...that is, if there is any agenda at all. Is it perhaps like the Pioneer Fund...with its Eugenics studies and Nazi like focus? I ran across it in my area of study and not sure if it has any pertenant significanace to add to my suspicions or not.

Dixie

[David Guyatt]

You might want to do a Google search on Prof. Antony Sutton and the Rockefeller interests Dixie. He has written on the subject fairly extensively in his various books.

The below link is just a flavour of some of it:

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listser...g50418.htm

The Rockefeller family have long been very big movers and shakers and if I remember correctly, the Bush crime family were their faithful servants...

[David Guyatt]

I think the following article clearly explains the historic interest shown by the RAF in the topic of UFO's.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk...950460.ece

From The Sunday Times
March 22, 2009

Is that a flying saucer? No, it’s a stealth bomber

Jack Grimston

INTELLIGENCE officers scoured hundreds of UFO sighting reports in the 1980s and 1990s looking for top-secret American stealth-plane projects, newly released files have shown.

At the end of the cold war, the Ministry of Defence was worried that America was developing mysterious planes but not telling its closest ally. Staff at department DI55 of the Defence Intelligence Staff logged and investigated hundreds of sightings by pilots, air-traffic controllers and private individuals who believed they had seen an alien presence.

“The MoD did not believe Britain was being visited by aliens but these files show they were obsessed with the fear that our closest ally was developing spy planes and keeping them secret from us,” said David Clarke, a lecturer at Sheffield Hallam University, and UFO specialist at the National Archives (which today releases hundreds of official UFO files on its website).

In one incident logged in 1989, an oil-rig worker trained in aircraft observation saw a “perfect black triangle” escorted by two American fighters. An official noted: “Attention is now focusing on this, despite a recent US Air Force ‘denial briefing’. This is bound to prompt parliamentary interest.” In 1990, the crews of six RAF Tornado jets flying over Germany reported seeing a UFO. Staff at RAF West Drayton, where many sightings were initially collated, noted that the pilots had reported the “aerial phenomenon” overtaking them, and said: “Possibly idented [identified] as a stealth aircraft.”

In another 1990 incident, the MoD believed two men had had a chance sighting of a spy-plane called Aurora, thought to be in development by the Americans. They reported a diamond-shaped UFO above the A9 at Calvine near Pitlochry, Perthshire.

The intelligence task sheet notes: “Sensitivity of material suggests very special handling . . . minimum handling by listed personnel.” The files, the latest in a series of UFO reports being released by the MoD, also settle a long-standing UFO conspiracy theory – the death of American fighter pilot Captain William Schaffner during an exercise over the North Sea in 1970. To the distress of his family, it has been claimed by some that officials covered up a sinister incident possibly involving a UFO.

The files include the RAF’s official inquiry into the crash, which concluded Schaffner’s Lightning fighter had brushed the sea during a delicate, low-speed manoeuvre.

When he tried to eject, the cockpit canopy remained stuck because of poor maintenance, and Schaffner is believed to have drowned.

The vast majority of the files record calls from the public reporting various cigar-shaped objects, mysterious lights and saucer-shaped craft.

In 1989, RAF Wattisham in Suffolk was phoned by a “distressed female” who described being engaged in conversation by an alien with a Scandinavian accent while walking her dog. The alien then departed in his spaceship.

The same year, the RAF was told of a large flying object seen approaching “from Filton airport” by a “pleasant lady” from her sofa in Bristol. It had an object on top “like a teapot lid”.

In 1992, a secret memo reported nocturnal sightings in the eastern suburbs of London of “a bright cigar-shaped object, moving very slowly and making little or no sound”.

An intelligence analyst recorded that the craft was “almost certainly a brightly illuminated airship advertising the new Ford Mondeo”.

See UFO files at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos

[Magda Hassan]

Another one for the 'No one can keep a conspiracy secret - not true' file. The stealth bomber was in development for many years, decades, a cast of many hundreds perhaps thousands and no one spilled the beans.