Explosion Norway

[Jan Klimkowski]

In the midst of the analysis below, note the claim that Ruslan Berenis is "the decendant of Hitler's North Caucasian mountaineers".

NB. So, in essence, post-Nazism is Nazism minus Antisemitism?

VS. It is, in part. Anti-communism, anti-Sovietism, and Russophobia were shared equally by all conservative groupings in the ruling circles of Britain, France, Germany, Italy, the United States, and Japan. They played with Nazism and fascism as the weapons of last resort against communism. Hitler was an aberration in two ways: 1) he wanted to bite a piece of the world too hard to chew for the Germans, and 2) he made Antisemitism central to the Nazi doctrine along with anti-Bolshevism and anti-Sovietism. However, Antisemitism is entirely accidental to Nazism and Fascism. Italian fascism was not anti-Semitic. Romanian, Hungarian, Ukrainian, Lithuanian, Estonian, and Lettish fascists were zoological anti-Semites, but Spanish, Finish, French, and English fascists were not. It were the three phobias of anti-Bolshevism, anti-Sovietism, and Russophobia that inited them allNazis, Fascists, and conservative, without exception. This is why it was so easy for Churchill and Truman to begin a new crusade against the Soviet Union immediately after Hitler's had failed.

In practice, many post-Nazis are blood descendents of the ideologically committed Nazis or traditional German imperialists who made peace with Jewish elites and formed a common front with Zionists against the Soviet Union in the Cold War. What distinguishes the FarWest post-Nazis like Fritz Ermarth, Robert Gates, and Ruslan Berenis (the decendant of Hitler's North Caucasian mountaineers) from the traditional Anglo-Saxon ultra-right is that their goal has been the destruction of Russia proper, not just the Soviet Union, and the creation on her territory a number of client states of Western imperialism. The present day post-Nazis are not pan-Germanists as Haushofer and the conservative elites of the post-Bismark Germany were. Nor do they fancy Germany in the role of a New World Order master. They are happy with the "fascist-light" United States at the helm of Western ultra-imperialism. In their political imagination, this U.S.-dominated "West" has replaced the Third Reich of their ancestors, just as the latter's "Rassenkampf" and "Kulturkampf" cum "Ostforschung" have been replaced by the "clash of civilizations" and "Western civilization" cum "Russian Studies" curruculum. It's just that the post-Nazi idea of "the West" demands the "final solution of Russian Question."

NB. In other words, post-Nazis represent the most extremist trend within Western ultra-imperialism.

VS. Yes, and historically speaking, as I've just argued, post-Nazis owe not only to German imperialism and Nazism but to conservative Atlantic elites as well. Let's recall that British intelligencethe fighting vanguard of British conservativeswas overwhelmingly pro-German, fanatically anti-Communist and anti-Russian. Even in war with Germany they collaborated with Nazi secret services and the military in Finland and Ukraine against the Red Army. The only difference between Churchill's "opposition" and Chamberlain's "appeasement" was that of tactics. All of them hated the Soviet Union and wanted to destroy it, but Churchill did not believe that Britain could do this by using Hitler as its proxy. Born imperialist, Churchill had the unerring instinct as to what imperialism was all about. He felt that the "appeased" Germans would be playing their own game against the British Empire. Churchill and his group of imperialists hoped to create a common front against the USSR while keeping down the Teutons. Hitler was their rival for world hegemony. The Soviet Union will be subverted through British and French proxies in the Eastern Europe, the cordonne sanitaire, through the semi-fascist Polish state, the emigrant organizations like the Promethean League and the Intermarium, and by inciting Muslim nationalities along the southern rim of the Soviet Union: the Caucasus, the Caspian, and the Central Asia, as it was proposed in Fitz Maclean's memorandum of 1939. It is noteworthy that Canaris and Oberländer in their proposals to Hitler for bolder use of ethnic struggle against the Soviets followed not only Haushofer's thinking but that of the British imperialist Halford Mackinder, who influenced both Haushofer and MI6 ideologists, including the "hawkish hawk" Fitz Maclean from the Northern Desk of the Whitehall.

Mackinder was the early prophet of North Atlantic ultra-umperialism that took the form of Nato after the WWII. All these characters, big and small: Hitler, Canaris, Oberländer, Ermarth and Haushofer; Churchill, Menzies, Maclean, and Mackinder; Trumen, Donovan and the Dulles brothers were of the same mind in regard to the first socialist state and Russia. The Soviet Union provoked their class-conscious hatred, Russia was to be crushed because, as the "geographical pivot of history," she stood on the way to the world lordship either by British, German or US empires. You are rightnothing has changed since then. The enormous Western machinery of the Cold War remains intact and continues the cause of Hitler, Churchill, and Truman. Sooner or later the Russians will face another genocidal attack by the West who will have the same allies in the Russophobic elites of Eastern Europe as Hitler did in 1941.

Ermarth clearly saw this commonality of interests regarding communism and the Soviet Union and constructed his messages to US elites accordingly. In the midst of WWII, he repeatedly suggested that the Allies should join the Nazi Germany against the Soviet Union as the precondition for getting rid of Hitler and he found sympathetic listeners in the leadership of the OSS. Otherwise, they would not have protected him from Hoover.

Source.

[Magda Hassan]

Also Valery Lunev wife who is the relative of Dzhokhar Dudayev. He (Dzhokhar) was born in the Autonymous Soviet Socialist Republic of Chechen-Ingush. The republic was abolished shortly after his birth there and the whole population was exiled to Kazakhstan because of their collaboration with the Nazis, at least amongst many, who assisted in showing them access to the oil fields of Azerbaijan. The former territory was divided between Georgia, Dagestan and North Ossetia. Hence the seeds of today's Georgian conflicts. The republic was restored by Kruschev in 1957 and the population allowed to return.

[Jan Klimkowski]

Shades of Permindex and de Mohrenschildt.....

[Magda Hassan]

And if I recall correctly De Morenschildt was, coincidentally, from Belorus as was Oswald's sojourn in the then USSR.
I'm still trying to work out the lay of the land with regards to military style training camps there which certainly exist but who runs them? 400 people were arrested there yesterday. It is in the process of being destabilised. Has been for several years now bur there looks to be a more serious effort going on this time. Lukashenko is old school soviet and there is still collective farms and such operating there in much of the land. One reason for the destabilisation. Privitisation calls...

[Danny Jarman]

All so confusing....but I suppose that's how it's meant to be

[Jan Klimkowski]

And if I recall correctly De Morenschildt was, coincidentally, from Belorus as was Oswald's sojourn in the then USSR.

Maybe coincidence, maybe not.

Belarus or Belorussia is the area that White Russians ("White Ruthenia", 'White Rus') hail from.

De Morenschildt was born in Mazyr (Mozyr), in what was then Tsarist Russia and is now Belarus, to a wealthy White Russian family. His father was arrested by the Bolsheviks shortly after the Russian Revolution and sent to Siberia, but escaped in the early 1920s.

The Aufbau Vereinigung was a White Russian movement based in Berlin, active from around 1918, and, according to Michael Kellogg's The Russian Roots of Nazism White Émigrés and the Making of National Socialism, 19171945, had a significant impact on Nazi and Hitler's thinking.

Many White Russians joined forces with the Nazis during WW2 to "fight Soviet communism". Post-WW2, many ended up in Gehlen's intelligence organisation or were resettled in America and parts of western Europe.

The Russian Orthodox church is still dominant in Belarus, and some of its offshoot churches are, notoriously, the cover for those pesky wandering bishops that keep on making appearances during the JFK assassination.

I'm still trying to work out the lay of the land with regards to military style training camps there which certainly exist but who runs them? 400 people were arrested there yesterday. It is in the process of being destabilised. Has been for several years now bur there looks to be a more serious effort going on this time. Lukashenko is old school soviet and there is still collective farms and such operating there in much of the land. One reason for the destabilisation. Privitisation calls...

Magda - please carry on digging.

The Far West material strongly suggests that developed and disciplined intelligence and military structures in former USSR republics such as Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic states survive, but are now being used for fundamentally different agendas.

[Ed Jewett]

[quote=Magda Hassan]
Magda - please carry on digging.

And then teach a class on how it is done...

[Magda Hassan]

The Far West material strongly suggests that developed and disciplined intelligence and military structures in former USSR republics such as Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic states survive, but are now being used for fundamentally different agendas.

For me it represents not so much a surviving intelligence structure of the former USSR as an outside one (stay behind network?) that was perhaps run parallel to it under cover of the USSR intel apparatus and was used to undermine and destroy the USSR at the right time of their making. Valery Lunev created and ran the separatist Tajikstan People's Liberation Front. Dzhokhar Dudayev, into whose family Lunev married, was stationed in Estonia in the 1980's to 90's and in charge of the air force there (and it's nuclear weapons) and refused to carry out orders basically deserting his post. All the Ukrainians in Far West are Banderites.

However, Lunev is not only a specialist on Central Asia and "radical solutions." He is also a high-class military-political analyst and consummate organization man. From what we know, his activities in the FarWest Dubai office have the blessings of President Lukashenko, who apparently values Lunev and FarWest as his back channel for a dialog and deal-making with the right-wing Republicans and neocons in the United States, not to mention "gray" and "black" arms trafficking which is another of Lunev's specialties.

Okay. Looks like Lukashenko has given Lunev the run of the place for his military training camps. So, Far West in the form of Lunev and the present Belorus government are okay with each other. For the time being at least. All the organised protest must be happening through other western channels.

[Peter Lemkin]

Just some speculation [at this point]. Such structures out of Belarus and the 'stans' likely are remnants of the old intelligence structures AND their off-the-shelf operations from Soviet times. They may have had a parallel structure to 'Gladio' in the West; as a 'Sovieto' in the East. Whatever their origins or current formation, they are likely being used now by both 'sides' [always false sides anyway]. They could do operations for their own purposes [and the wishes of those that employ them/pay them/desire their structure to remain]. Or, they could do false flag or false flag false flag ops for the 'other sides' - either for pay, payment in kind, or return favors by the other side against their society. From my experience with the equivalent in the 'West' the players themselves rarely have committed political or social views - they are hired hands in a very dirty game and only in it for the money and the preservation of themselves - not of any political structures. The next layers up, who direct them, may well have political and financial objectives - but they may well not be in sync with the 'partyline' of the government they seem to be a part of. It is well known that many officers and mechanics of the former Soviet intelligence apparatus sold their services, or re-enlisted in the Western ones at the end of the Cold War. These apparent tangled structure[s] may be a mix of that plus holding fast to the former structures. More than anything it may be a structure tucked into some former Soviet states, now independent, but in actuality intelligence for hire.....each mission going to the highest financial or political bidder. angryfire Lastly we know that much of the 'White' Russian structures in the 'West' after and during WWII were pro-Nazi and may have well remained of that ilk in the 'East' through that period and to the present. [i.e. they may well have had a lot of common political and sociopolitical ground with their 'western' counterparts in intelligence].

[Jan Klimkowski]

Magda, Peter - this is why it is so complicated.

This is also where the Evica-Drago both and model shines insightful light.

In another thread, Charles wrote:

As I've previously referenced, the supra-national and supra-ideological forces that struck JFK also transcend time, place, and contemporary agenda. George Michael Evica referred to the individuals who embodied these forces as the "masters who were above Cold War differences."

The Mechanic - Facilitator - Sponsor model is also crucial in understanding the Utoya atrocity.

Here is my current judgement on available, but strictly limited, evidence:

Breivik is a Mechanic.

The leads implicating Johnny "Mad Dog" Adair in alleged association with Breivik are probably psyop disinformation, to throw the scent but give MSM some "red meat".

Far West may be Facilitators. As may British SIS, or cells within SIS or military intelligence.

False Sponsors and False Facilitators probably include the English Defence League and Mossad.

The True Sponsors are most likely Evica's "masters who were above Cold War differences."