27-08-2011, 09:41 PM (This post was last modified: 02-09-2011, 03:58 AM by Bernice Moore.)
thanks Gary will do. i found this older article 2009 i believe, wondered if anyone had any further information on it......thanks, still looking for Japan...b
Magda Hassan Wrote:I believe Seamus will be coming out with an article soon on the MJ12 Kennedy thing.
Yeah thankfully I have finished it all. The whole MJ-12 thing is a real pig to go into as you will see. Quite simply because its been given so much coverage by some seriously dubious people. Michael Salla is a serial offender of the worst UFO stuff out there. Its pretty worrying how popular he is.
Nope, the Allen Dulles-JFK link in the documents aren't worth the paper they are written on. I came to the conclusion that they were faked by a fellow called Timoth Cooper, whom worked in cahoots with Bob Collins and Richard Doty. Collins and Doty were an important part of the original MJ-12 stir up in the early and mid eighties. With a poor guy called Paul Benewitz. Theres an excellent break down on MJ-12 BY A GUY caLLED pHIL Coppens whom has written some excellent stuff out there.
The worst JFK liars in ufology at the moment are Richard Dolan and Bryce Zabel two people I have asked for a reply or a debate but they have wimped out. Surprise surprise. But in the mean time heres Coppens article on MJ-12 and I'd advise trying to find as much one can from Greg Bishop, Bob Hastings, and Mark Pilkington in this field.
Seamus - Mr Coppens' work is well known to David Guyatt and I. He is a thoughtful and resourceful researcher.
Note that having declared the MJ-12 documents as "disinformation", he concludes:
Quote:The central question that should really trouble the UFO community, if not the US population as a whole: who within the US government wants to portray that government as possessing "aliens on ice"? And if it is not a lone individual, then that group might be the "real" Majestic 12.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War." Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta." The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Seamus - Mr Coppens' work is well known to David Guyatt and I. He is a thoughtful and resourceful researcher.
Note that having declared the MJ-12 documents as "disinformation", he concludes:
Quote:The central question that should really trouble the UFO community, if not the US population as a whole: who within the US government wants to portray that government as possessing "aliens on ice"? And if it is not a lone individual, then that group might be the "real" Majestic 12.
Jan I have noted that and it's the only 'BS' he's written lol. His work was a huge help. So was Mark Pilkington, Greg Bishop and Larry Hancock in this whole thing.
"In the Kennedy assassination we must be careful of running off into the ether of our own imaginations." Carl Ogelsby circa 1992
An anonymous person drops off film. Film of document forgeries. Involving dead people. And space aliens.
As plausible as CE 399 and the Oswald who burned the ozone blazing down to the lunchroom and off to the Tippit kill.
Does anyone allege Dulles had a hand in any of the UFO myth-molding at any stage.
Hahahaha love the pic and the comment about CE 399. Can I use the pic in my piece? Yes utilising Coppens and Leon Davidson there is a very good case for Dulles being behind the entire UFO Myth. Go Coppens site and have a look at his other articles concerning Davidson. Fascinating stuff. But this whole MJ-12 thing is just so silly, but it has been lethally effective.
"In the Kennedy assassination we must be careful of running off into the ether of our own imaginations." Carl Ogelsby circa 1992
The idea in Evica's Arrogance that Dulles obscured his arrival and duties in Bern at a time when the Germans were sending Lenin to Petrograd is delightful and instructive.
Dulles is always capable of not doing what he is doing for precisely the reasons he's doing something else.
I felt inspired by Phils pic and changed it to give a more retro feeling by giving it a wash (and to hide my shoddy work). I modified the title from the truth is out there. I then got hold of an iconic American painting Allen Dulles and a Gray.
I blame this all on Phil its his fault lol. Yeah the Bern stuff is fascinating I touch on a little of that Phil.
