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History Channel is showing a new program called "Viet Nam In HD" that is basically showing the history of the Viet Nam War with a new spin. The program takes the angle of showing Viet Nam from the view of the soldiers who fought it. A particularly insidious psychological warfare method of having an actor speak with a young voice as if he was young again and speaking from Viet Nam and then flashing to his present old voice is used to back-date Viet Nam accounts in the fresh voices of the Iraq era and its politics. What CIA is doing here is retro-fitting Viet Nam to the present day CIA seizure of how US wars are viewed. They are revising the Viet Nam War to put it in a present day perspective and backdate it to present day politics. It's a very subtle effect that is helped along with patronizing accounts of how the advent of color television helped a hysterical public see blood in color for the first time on TV. Soldiers tell of fighting for America and then being spit on when they returned. Seeing how they have seized control of how wars are viewed through CIA government authoritarianism they are now showing the Viet Nam War as the possession of those soldiers who fought it. They are slowly working the American public and its input out of the formula. The American public is now simply seen as the ignorable body that overreacted to those brave soldiers who were fighting the war.
Trust me, the intent of this show is to speak to young American minds with the voices of present day Iraq and teach them Viet Nam was OK.
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Albert,
I don't watch television programing,so I can't really comment on this show.But,let me shoot down this quote:
Quote: Soldiers tell of fighting for America and then being spit on when they returned.
I first came to the conclusion that this story was not valid a few years ago.I had heard it repeated SO MANY TIMES over the years by my fellow Veterans that it just started to ring false.The documentary,"Sir! No Sir!",about the GI resistance movement,also came to the same conclusion after researching these claims. This story is a myth,or maybe a Psyop,that keeps being perpetuated for whatever reason.It certainly has had the effect of keeping longstanding animosity between Vietnam Vets,and the anti-war protesters.Maybe that was the point of it afterall.
"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.â€
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This morning History Channel had a program mocking "Conspiracy Theorists". They mulled over accusations of the government being involved in a conspiracy over JFK's assassination without really making any point and then switched to conspiracy theorists suggesting Bush was involved in deliberately allowing 9-11. Quick switcho-change-o designed to associate claims of JFK conspiracy with 9-11. The worst part of this is 9-11 was a false flag attack designed as a pretext for the Project For A New American Century.
The American Government is fully implementing CIA's Operation Mockingbird. It's kind of cowardly to have an Orwellian propaganda machine called US cable television and ridicule the victims while tying both arms behind their backs democratically.
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Keith Millea Wrote:Albert,
I don't watch television programing,so I can't really comment on this show.But,let me shoot down this quote:
Quote: Soldiers tell of fighting for America and then being spit on when they returned.
I first came to the conclusion that this story was not valid a few years ago.I had heard it repeated SO MANY TIMES over the years by my fellow Veterans that it just started to ring false.The documentary,"Sir! No Sir!",about the GI resistance movement,also came to the same conclusion after researching these claims.This story is a myth,or maybe a Psyop,that keeps being perpetuated for whatever reason.It certainly has had the effect of keeping longstanding animosity between Vietnam Vets,and the anti-war protesters.Maybe that was the point of it afterall.
Keith - thank you.
Both your research into this "myth", and your interpretation of its possible underlying purpose, ring very true.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."
Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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History Channel's 'Brad Meltzer's Decoded' had a show on the Rosicrucians. In the program they spoke of Sirhan's membership in the Rosicrucians. Meltzer then assures us that Sirhan was not mind controlled and was a dangerous paranoid schizophrenic.
All told to us with confident assurance by Brad Meltzer and History Channel.
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Up until 11/22/03 History Channel had been showing The Men Who Killed Kennedy, which was their most popular show. The segments aired a lot. Then the final three episodes.
The story has been that the family of LBJ was going to sue over The Guilty Men. The presentation of how LBJ killed JFK. I have wondered since then if it was not the first of the trilogy which resulted in the entire series being forever removed from the fraud that HC has become. "The Smoking Guns". Just a thought. Then again the idea that a tv network would air a segment accusing a president of being behind the assassination of his predecessor could be the (truthful) reason for killing the entire series. At any rate now they show the voice over of Peter Jennings' horror fruad of the same date. For shame.
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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Keith Millea Wrote:Albert,
I don't watch television programing,so I can't really comment on this show.But,let me shoot down this quote:
Quote: Soldiers tell of fighting for America and then being spit on when they returned.
I first came to the conclusion that this story was not valid a few years ago.I had heard it repeated SO MANY TIMES over the years by my fellow Veterans that it just started to ring false.The documentary,"Sir! No Sir!",about the GI resistance movement,also came to the same conclusion after researching these claims.This story is a myth,or maybe a Psyop,that keeps being perpetuated for whatever reason.It certainly has had the effect of keeping longstanding animosity between Vietnam Vets,and the anti-war protesters.Maybe that was the point of it afterall.
Keith - thank you.
Both your research into this "myth", and your interpretation of its possible underlying purpose, ring very true.
Most interesting. Over the years- 26- that I have been a criminal defense atty. I have represented hundreds of Viet Nam vets and not a single one ever recounted such an experience. Instead they were angry with the government not the peace movement.
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Quote:Most interesting. Over the years- 26- that I have been a criminal defense atty. I have represented hundreds of Viet Nam vets and not a single one ever recounted such an experience. Instead they were angry with the government not the peace movement.
What's interesting Dawn,is the same story being retold over many times.This story basically is,"some hippie chick spit on me at the San Francisco airport when I was going home".I've heard this same story about hundred times myself.Now,all I can say,is this gal must have been at the airport 24/7 everyday to accomplish said feat.It is just impossible.A created myth.
And,if you really want to piss off some Vietnam Vets,just utter the name Jane Fonda.Then quickly find a good place to hide for awhile...........
If anyone gets the urge,I highly recommend the Documentary "Sir! No Sir!".
"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.â€
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Keith Millea Wrote:And,if you really want to piss off some Vietnam Vets,just utter the name Jane Fonda.Then quickly find a good place to hide for awhile...........
If anyone gets the urge,I highly recommend the Documentary "Sir! No Sir!".
I've heard Jane handed notes given to her by American POW's over to the North Vietnamese. Hmm. While maybe not the best thing to do (heck, definitely not the best thing to do), keep in mind those same people hating Jane are now openly reaching-out for business in the Oriental communist world.
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Of course in the Prouty I'm reading on Kindle now the strategy was plotted and handed to Truman--it was that long-standing.
Kennedy having seen the French take it at Dien Bien Phu (who puts a base of 70k below surrounding hills) wanted nothing to do with this.
There is a nifty ten-minute silent black and white choppy-speed film of the sweaty Khmer Rouge hauling their pieces up the jungle hill, macheteros flailing a path, pursuant to raining steel down on the sitting ducks while U.S. air prevented by weather.
Here is the Col Bui Tin on why and how U.S. failed: http://www.viet-myths.net/BuiTin.htm
November 65 Joint Chiefs to White House to be allowed fifteen minutes to plea for permission to bomb Hanoi and mine Haiphong. Johnson cursed and humiliated them in this four-page excerpt from some memoirs first published May 96 Proceedings: http://hnn.us/articles/34024.html also at http://thebutter-cutter.com/First_Day_Of...est_W_.php
In accounts of the Johnson years he's portrayed as his hapless, desperate schoolteacher offering to teach the world is flat or round as desired. He professed a fear of Soviet or Chinese intervention which made Ho laugh.
In my view of this Johnson he did not wish to win only to consume product; it was a business deal. He was told to withdraw and he did so--o the humanity--we've lost Cronkite.
In the street at the Nixon Counterinaugural January 19, 1969 the dialogue between the haircut with the flag and the longhair with the sign was "I got two brothers in Vietnam" vs. "yeah well f--- you."
Kennedy knew not to get involved; Johnson did so to assuage the corporate-security interests, cynically never intending to make the sacrifice mean further deaths in retribution upon withdrawal would not be added to the slate.
Fonda bought land in Pecos where the log trucks roar preceded by escort cars flags and lights and signs PELIGRO.
And we are not in the Golden Triangle but the Golden Crescent.
Arms and drugs and war, oh my.
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