Richard Case Nagell - More Than Meets The Eye

[Magda Hassan]

Who is snerd? Dirty Dick? Who is Abe?

Snerd is Volsky?

[Magda Hassan]

[quote=Jan Klimkowski]Great thread.

Time to throw another bone into the bubbling cauldron, courtesy of Jim Hougan...

"Nixon in the jungle"
It is one of the most mysterious incidents in the Vietnam War, and I can't get it out of my mind.
It was the spring of 1964, and the former Vice President of the United States, who was also the next President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, was standing in a jungle clearing northwest of Saigon, negotiating with a man who, to all appearances, was a Vietcong lieutenant. Wearing battle fatigues "with no identification," Nixon was flanked by military bodyguards

Does anyone else find this is a really weird image? Nixon in battle fatigues in the Vietnam jungle? The only stranger image I can imagine is J. Edgar Hoover in a frock.

[Charles Drago]

Does anyone else find this is a really weird image? Nixon in battle fatigues in the Vietnam jungle? The only stranger image I can imagine is J. Edgar Hoover in a frock.

I beg to differ.

Now Hoover in white pumps after Labor Day would be tres gauche. But a nice frock or sun dress at the del Charro ... mabye something bold off-the-shoulder ... with those dreamy arms ...

Pardon me, but I must go poke out my mind's eye.

[Peter Lemkin]

I have but can't yet locate the photo of Dame Hoover in drag at a party. If anyone has access to it please post. I still can't believe that the FBI HQ is called the Hoover Building....really 'says it all' about the ethical standards of America. Mark you, his being gay was not IMO criminal, but his lying about it and even prosecuting gays was - but all minor compared to his criminal activities while our chief of the Federal Criminal Investiation Bureau....what a joke [Hoover and the real image of America]. Oh, but those arms.....what a hunk [of lard, lies and hate]. He was almost the opposite of his public personna. America IMO is as well - to all too many. Time for a reality check - J. Edgar (and America), your slip is showing!

"Welcome to the bizarre world of J. Edgar Hoover, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation from 1924 until his death in 1972. Rumors of Hoover's homosexuality were rampant but suppressed during his lifetime. A favorite story is that Mob-friendly lawyer (and deep closet case) Roy Cohn possessed a photograph of Hoover in drag, which he used to blackmail the FBI director into denying the existence of the Mafia. In 1993, Anthony Summers, in his book Official and Confidential: The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover, also claimed that Hoover did not pursue organized crime because the Mafia had blackmail material on him. In support of that, Summers quoted Susan L. Rosenstiel, a former wife of Lewis S. Rosenstiel, chairman of Schenley Industries Inc., as saying that in 1958, she was at a party at the Plaza Hotel where Hoover engaged in cross-dressing in front of her then-husband and Roy Cohn, former counsel to Senator Joe McCarthy.

"He [Hoover] was wearing a fluffy black dress, very fluffy, with flounces and lace stockings and high heels, and a black curly wig," Summers quoted Susan as saying. "He had makeup on and false eyelashes." Susan claimed Cohn introduced Hoover to her as "Mary." Hoover allegedly responded, "Good evening." She said she saw Hoover go into a bedroom and take off his skirt. There, "young blond boys" worked on him in bed. Later, as Hoover and Cohn watched, Lewis Rosenstiel had sex with the young boys.

A year later, Susan claimed, she again saw Hoover at the Plaza. This time, the director was wearing a red dress. Around his neck was a black feather boa. He was holding a Bible, and he asked one of the blond boys to read a passage as another boy played with him. It was episodes such as these, Summers declared, that the Mafia held over Hoover's head. "Mafia bosses obtained information about Hoover's sex life and used it for decades to keep the FBI at bay," the jacket of the book says. "Without this, the Mafia as we know it might never have gained its hold on America."

As far as anyone can determine, Hoover never had a romantic attachment with a woman, or even a date. Classical statues of nude men adorned his garden. He lived with his mother until she died. Then there was Clyde Tolson, a fellow FBI agent. In April, 1928, Clyde Tolson joined the Bureau. Tolson, a tall, handsome man, was five years younger than Hoover. Quickly after coming to the bureau, he became Hoover's closest personal friend and business associate. His promotion within the Bureau was unprecedented. Hoover and Tolson rode to work together, ate lunches together, traveled on official business together, went to social functions together and vacationed together. They are now buried side by side.

It wasn't until after his death that Americans learned J. Edgar Hoover was a secret transvestite, but long before that, it meant bad news for some FBI recruits. The alleged discovery of Hoover's long-lost diary has revealed how he may have misused his power as FBI director to satisfy his own twisted cravings, destroying the lives of many recruits in the law-enforcement agency. The diary purports that from at least the mid-1930s onward, Hoover would require selected agents to take on special undercover assignments, often lasting for years, as women or drag queens in high heels and skirts. Sources speculate that Hoover, unable to dress openly as a woman, forced some of his underlings to take up his freakish habit so he'd feel more normal. He reportedly enjoyed training these agents himself, selecting their outfits, applying makeup and fixing hairdos. Most men hated these assignments and many were threatened with firing or even jail time for their cooperation.

The diary recounts at least one case in the 1950s in which Hoover had the mother of an agent jailed on trumped-up charges to keep him on duty as a red-headed, high-heeled gun moll. Perhaps the weirdest case is that of 24-year-old Bert Horgson, a six-foot Swede who left his family and girlfriend in Minnesota in 1935 to fight Nazi spies with the FBI. Once Hoover caught sight of him, however, the slim, blue-eyed Horgson was instead given a different assignment -- and spent the remainder of his career in dresses and high-heeled pumps as Hoover's "special agent."

http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/HOOVER.html

[David Guyatt]

I also had a copy but can't find it. This'll do in the meantime I hope:

[Peter Lemkin]

FBI under Director J. Edgar Hoover conducts headline-grabbing manhunts during the mid-thirties but can't seem to get around to going after the Mafia which operates in the U.S. with no interference from the FBI. The mob is run nationally by Lucky Luciano and Meyer Lansky who had divided up the country among the various Mafia families at a meeting in Atlantic City in 1929.

J. Edgar Hoover and and his lover, FBI Assistant Director Clyde Tolson, frequent the Stork Club in New York, owned by Mafia kingpin Frank Costello. The Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation actually sits with Costello in the Stork Club and meets him at other times for coffee or drinks and also in the barber shop at the Waldorf Hotel. Costello's main occupation is the gambling racket, especially fixing horse racing in the U.S. Chuck Giancana, brother of Chicago Mafia boss Sam Giancana, will later tell a journalist, "Hoover didn't want an envelope each month, we gave him something better, tips on fixed races. He could bet ten thousand dollars on a horse that showed twenty to one odds if he wanted…and he has."

But the Mafia doesn't use just carrots with Hoover, they have a big stick hanging over him too. On New Year's Eve 1936, Hoover and Tolson are seen holding hands in the Stork Club. The Mafia-owned Stork Club reportedly has two way mirrors in the toilets and hidden microphones at certain tables. Later, mob figures will tell journalists that Meyer Lansky had photographs of Hoover and Tolson performing homosexual acts with each other. Hoover's homosexuality was well known to the Mafia and they reputedly had blackmail material on him extending back to the 1920s and Hoover's supposed arrest on charges of homosexuality in New Orleans.

Another longtime Hoover/Mafia hangout is Joe's Stone Crabs Restaurant in Miami, frequented by Costello, Al Capone and Meyer Lansky. The wife of the owner remembers J. Edna and Clyde sitting in the restaurant having a fine old time as some of the FBI's "Most Wanted" ate undisturbed a few tables away. Staff at Gatti's Restaurant in Miami remember Hoover and Meyer Lansky being in the restaurant together, sometimes sitting at adjoining tables.

In 1946, the owner of a major racing wire service begins telling the FBI all he knows about the mob and their connections "which lead to very high places". Hoover refuses to provide protection and James Ragen is soon murdered. After Ragen is killed, Hoover orders all investigations into his allegations dropped.

Agents knew perfectly well that it was FBI policy to ignore the Mafia and to suppress information about it. Hoover actually claimed on numerous occasions that the Mafia did not exist. Agents who received information about the mob simply filed it away, without once using the word "Mafia". Overeager agents, who actually attempted to get the goods on the mob, were transferred to hardship posts in the middle of nowhere.

Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) officers conducting a wiretap on a Canadian mob figure's conversation with Meyer Lansky listened to Lansky reading from an internal FBI report which had been written only the day before, indicating a very high level connection inside the FBI.

There was never any serious attempt to indict Lansky until 1970 and then the IRS went after him for income tax evasion. After a lifetime of crime, Lansky died peacefully, wealthy and unprosecuted in 1983.

http://mtwsfh.blogspot.com/2008/10/1935-germany.html

But how'z about making a J. E. Hoover thread and let's get back to Nagell and his contacts and context!.....:dancing2:

[Myra Bronstein]

Now Hoover in white pumps after Labor Day would be tres gauche. ...

:hahaha:

[Myra Bronstein]

[Peter, were these letters published in "The Man Who Knew Too Much"?]

No, they are not. Russell also was given a large number of other letters written by Nagell to others. Those are also not in the book. In fact, while the book is a great one, he was not able to put in all the players and twists and turns - it would have been 2000+ pages! Complex is the name of the 'game', but he did a great job painting the basic story!

Do you have more letters you can share with us?

[Peter Lemkin]

[Peter, were these letters published in "The Man Who Knew Too Much"?]

No, they are not. Russell also was given a large number of other letters written by Nagell to others. Those are also not in the book. In fact, while the book is a great one, he was not able to put in all the players and twists and turns - it would have been 2000+ pages! Complex is the name of the 'game', but he did a great job painting the basic story!

Do you have more letters you can share with us?

Not at the moment - request to the proper researcher is awaiting reply. I'm currently re-reading the new version of TMWKTM and it is mind-bending how this one man [Nagell] and the paperwork available on him ALONE shows the official version of events of Dallas as an Alice-In-Wonderland-BIG-LIE. He asked to be a part of all the investigations and was rebuffed*. When he was about to testify before the AARB he died of 'natural causes' - ha!

*He only had been MI, CIA and other - and had foreknowledge of the assassination plot, participants, Oswald's role and controllers and more....not an important enough witness for the WC, HSCA and others - certainly very well orchestrated disinterest at the HIGHEST levels! [the things he had secreted away to protect himself and be revealed in the event of his demise have been 'sanitized' and removed, even though some were in Europe in a vault.

[Jan Klimkowski]

Peter and Magda,

Good work, you are on the right track. One thing, Schlachter as the Umbrella Man will run you in circles so may I suggest to follow the Nugan Hand trail. Just to add a degree of difficulty, it goes in reverse. This leads to Tom Clines and we know where he comes from and who his connections were.

This is very complicated but worth pursuing. I can not offer sources but this angle can potentially connect Nagell to Clarence Ward Bishop aka Col. William Bishop aka John Adrian O'Hare and this in turn connects to what Nagell may really have known and why he fired a revolver in a Texas bank.

James

Bump for James Richards' post and this thread in its entirety.

Please see here:

http://swans.com/library/art15/barker32.html

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...php?t=2376