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Fidel Castro may have known of Oswald plot to kill JFK, ex-CIA officer claims
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When I want the definitive word on the JFK assassination I will absolutely turn to a retired CIA officer and an FBI informant.

This brilliant new revelation on the eve of the 50[SUP]th[/SUP] anniversary of the coup asks, "Did Fidel want Kennedy dead? Yes. He feared Kennedy. And he knew Kennedy was gunning for him."

Not according to James Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters.

JFK was pursuing demarche with Castro using Attwood, Jean Daniel, Lisa Howard.

On the 19[SUP]th[/SUP] Daniel spent six hours with Castro. Daniel was with Castro having lunch when the shooting was reported. Three times Castro said, "This is bad news."

To Lisa Howard, Castro said JFK was courageous to have Attwood and Howard call the aides in Havana. There was to be an important meeting. A key speech by Kennedy written by Sorenson, though sabotaged by CIA, expressed to Castro that normalization could be attained if the Soviet hand was absent.

The day after the assassination Castro gave a 12,445-word speech expressing his rejection of the Oswald-did-it frame, and repeatedly referring to reactionary elements of the government, specifically FBI and CIA.

This smacks of the Mexico City machinations for which CIA twice instructed Mexican intelligence to arrest Sylvia Duran.

The Phillips lie concerning the tape was revealed as six of Hoover's agents heard the tape and knew it to be an imposter, as was the subject in the photos.

And still the disinformation flows from the Langley sewage plant.

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Phil Dragoo Wrote:And still the disinformation flows from the Langley sewage plant.

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....and the stench now covers the entire world...many once free - now enslaved by Langley's corporate and financial masters
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Phil Dragoo Wrote:When I want the definitive word on the JFK assassination I will absolutely turn to a retired CIA officer and an FBI informant.

This brilliant new revelation on the eve of the 50[SUP]th[/SUP] anniversary of the coup asks, "Did Fidel want Kennedy dead? Yes. He feared Kennedy. And he knew Kennedy was gunning for him."

Not according to James Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters.

JFK was pursuing demarche with Castro using Attwood, Jean Daniel, Lisa Howard.

On the 19[SUP]th[/SUP] Daniel spent six hours with Castro. Daniel was with Castro having lunch when the shooting was reported. Three times Castro said, "This is bad news."

To Lisa Howard, Castro said JFK was courageous to have Attwood and Howard call the aides in Havana. There was to be an important meeting. A key speech by Kennedy written by Sorenson, though sabotaged by CIA, expressed to Castro that normalization could be attained if the Soviet hand was absent.

The day after the assassination Castro gave a 12,445-word speech expressing his rejection of the Oswald-did-it frame, and repeatedly referring to reactionary elements of the government, specifically FBI and CIA.

This smacks of the Mexico City machinations for which CIA twice instructed Mexican intelligence to arrest Sylvia Duran.

The Phillips lie concerning the tape was revealed as six of Hoover's agents heard the tape and knew it to be an imposter, as was the subject in the photos.

And still the disinformation flows from the Langley sewage plant.

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Yes Douglass details this beautifully, and I first read about all the back channel efforts in Anthony Summers' "Conspiracy" in 1986.
Castro's amazing speech is now online- finally-
There will be much of this crap by 2013. What are WE going to do about the shutting down of Dealey Plaza on that day?
I know-in spite of their words to the contrary- that the 6th floor is behind this, and I saw an article some time ago that
said Lancer is in on it as well. Of course Ms. Conway immediately said this was not the case.

This is war. I saw the words below yesterday at a JFK website, and copied and pasted this new Obama crack down....(Hard to keep up with his destruction of rights):

"President Obama's first action as President was to proclaim a policy of openness. "Knowledge of our history is an essential feature of democratic accountability," and establish the National Declassification Center (NDC), assigned to declassify 400,000,000 pages of secret documents by 2013. The 50,000 pages of CIA records and other JFK assassination records are being intentionally excluded from this declassification process despite the immense public interest as well as the approaching 50th anniversary of the assassination."

Dawn
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Dawn

In my 1980, 1981, 1989 editon, Chapter 21 Countdown to Conspiracy, pages 394-407, containing Attwood, Howard, Daniel et al, putting the lie to the current disinformation regarding the purported agency of Castro.

Obama has continued in the line of temporary residents of the White House, proclamations of transcendent transparency to the contrary notwithstanding; witness the continued CIA stonewall of Jefferson Morley re George Joannides under Panetta and Petraeus.

It is shown the radical is no more the friend of justice than the reactionary; I give you Bill Ayers.

Commending Sirhan for that which the hypnoprogrammed tool of the military-industrial juggernaut did not do.

Providing the path to power for the present POTUS, which path has nothing to do with right or left or righteousness, but preserving just-us.

I was in Chicago for SDS Days of Rage October 8-11, 1969, and witnessed the fascist majesty of Daley's police army. The arrogant Ayers would have it eliminate 25 million who would resist the revolution--

--but not a single file shall be released. . . . .

Earlier that year, January 19, on the streets of Washington, DC, as Mark Rudd and his red-armbanded Maoists (his term, later that year) jogged by on our right as we filmed, chanting, "Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh! The NLF is gonna win!" one of their number peeled off to bang the big iron knocker on the steel doors of Justice

and as I gazed up the second-floor windows were filled with shirtsleeved lawyers flashing their "We're number one" salutes

which I came to realize signified the Who were correct, that is to say, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.



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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:
Quote:On the morning of 22 November 1963, the day Kennedy was killed in Dallas, Castro ordered a senior intelligence officer in Havana to stop listening for non-specific CIA radio communications and to concentrate instead on "any little detail, any small detail from Texas", Latell claims in his book Castro's Secrets the CIA and Cuba's Intelligence Machine, due to be published next month.
Four hours later, came news that Kennedy was dead.

An alternate interpretation to Latell's attempt to frame Castro, is that Cuban intelligence knew that Dallas was a "hostile city" to JFK, and any assassination plot would likely first be known to CIA.

Castro therefore focused his intelligence service's efforts away from general monitoring of CIA channels, to specific monitoring of CIA communications in Dallas.

I find my alternate explanation of the evidence (assuming it exists) more convincing than Latell's version.

And many in the United States believed that Dallas was a "hostile city" to JFK. And some of them tried to keep John Kernnedy from going to Dallas, not because they knew he would be assassinated there, but because they feared some kinds of acts of possible violence or embarassment, such as that received by Adlai Stevenson, UN Ambassador, when he had been invited to speak in Dallas just weeks before the assassination. The city of Dallas did not vote for the Kennedy/Johnson ticket in 1960, and Lyndon Johnson and Mrs. Johnson were spat upon and hit when they campaigned in Dallas in 1960. Dallas was teeming with Minutemen and Minutewomen, Ku Klux Klan members, John Birch Society members with their leader, Gen. Edwin Walker, and rich oilmen who hated John Kennedy and his administration. Lyndon Johnson and his staff tried to convince John Kennedy and his staff to omit Dallas from the Texas trip. Henry B. Gonzales of the US House of Representatives from San Antonio, Texas, also advised Kennedy to drop Dallas from his schedule for the same reasons. It was a dangerous city. John Kennedy himself remarked to this wife, "We're in nut country now," on that fateful morning.

Even Castro understood that much about American people, their various politics and world views, and their political factions and enemies. He was no fool.

Adele
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Adele Edisen Wrote:
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:
Quote:On the morning of 22 November 1963, the day Kennedy was killed in Dallas, Castro ordered a senior intelligence officer in Havana to stop listening for non-specific CIA radio communications and to concentrate instead on "any little detail, any small detail from Texas", Latell claims in his book Castro's Secrets the CIA and Cuba's Intelligence Machine, due to be published next month.
Four hours later, came news that Kennedy was dead.

An alternate interpretation to Latell's attempt to frame Castro, is that Cuban intelligence knew that Dallas was a "hostile city" to JFK, and any assassination plot would likely first be known to CIA.

Castro therefore focused his intelligence service's efforts away from general monitoring of CIA channels, to specific monitoring of CIA communications in Dallas.

I find my alternate explanation of the evidence (assuming it exists) more convincing than Latell's version.

And many in the United States believed that Dallas was a "hostile city" to JFK. And some of them tried to keep John Kernnedy from going to Dallas, not because they knew he would be assassinated there, but because they feared some kinds of acts of possible violence or embarassment, such as that received by Adlai Stevenson, UN Ambassador, when he had been invited to speak in Dallas just weeks before the assassination. The city of Dallas did not vote for the Kennedy/Johnson ticket in 1960, and Lyndon Johnson and Mrs. Johnson were spat upon and hit when they campaigned in Dallas in 1960. Dallas was teeming with Minutemen and Minutewomen, Ku Klux Klan members, John Birch Society members with their leader, Gen. Edwin Walker, and rich oilmen who hated John Kennedy and his administration. Lyndon Johnson and his staff tried to convince John Kennedy and his staff to omit Dallas from the Texas trip. Henry B. Gonzales of the US House of Representatives from San Antonio, Texas, also advised Kennedy to drop Dallas from his schedule for the same reasons. It was a dangerous city. John Kennedy himself remarked to this wife, "We're in nut country now," on that fateful morning.

Even Castro understood that much about American people, their various politics and world views, and their political factions and enemies. He was no fool.

Adele

To a large extent it STILL is 'NUT COUNTY' [not everyone of course], but I present as my evidence one Larry Dunkel/alias Gary Mack as my first 'defendant' for prosecution......many others will follow.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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I have first hand knowledge that "Nut Country" is not limited to the northern portion of Texas.
:loco:

Larry
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Charles Drago Wrote:
Magda Hassan Wrote:There were assassination plots everywhere. JFK was a wanred man. Miami and Chicago and Dallas just for starters. I do wonder why (not really) they did nothing about the Dallas one..... Too busy getting pissed at the Cellar and giving some black SS man a hard time and shredding the telexes.

Miami and, more significantly, Chicago were in service to Dallas -- both part of the meta-plot's security stripping operation.

No need to worry, said JFK. "The Secret Service has taken care of it."

Miami and Chicago "plots" "foiled." Enjoy autumn in Texas.

Autumn too long.

Autumn has since turned to a permanent and increasingly fierce Antarctic Winter in Amerika......with no signs of Spring.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Aspillaga at Lourdes?

The original cover story for the Dealey Plaza Operation was a Northwoods type plan to blame the assassination on Castro and the Cubans, and the fact that this cover story is still being promoted by the same people today is clear evidence the intelligence network that killed President Kennedy is still functioning today.

If the Cuban government had anything to do with the assassination then the US government was complied in covering up the fact, but it is much more clear that those who attempt to blame Castro for the assassination are closer to the culprits themselves.

About the Author - BRIAN LATELL began tracking Cuba for the CIA in the early 1960s. Today, as Senior Research Associate at the Institute for Cuban and Cuban American Studies at the University of Miami, [BK Notes: aka JMWAVE] he continues as one of the most distinguished and frequently quoted experts. For a quarter century he taught Cuba and Latin America as an adjunct professor at Georgetown University. A former National Intelligence Officer for Latin America and Director of the CIA's Center for the Study of Intelligence, he has written for the Washington Post, Miami Herald, Wall Street Journal, Time, and many other American and international publications. His After Fidel has been published in eight languages.

Since he is the resident University of Miami scholar on Cuban and JFK assassination matters, I publicly ask him to please tell us about any records there are at the University archives about the Conference of Cuban Journalist that was held there over a six week period during the summer of 1963, and whythere is no information about this conference available at all?

In addition, beside these plugs from other previously exposed CIA assets, I'd also like to call attention to the fact that Lattell's primary source - Aspillaga, may be able to lead us to a Cuban/Soviet copy of the Air Force One radio transmission tapes that our government has apparently lost.

At Salon.com, Jeff Morley wrote: "Latell's mostintriguing contribution is the testimony of Florentino Aspillaga, a careerGeneral Directorate of Intelligence officer who defected to the [/FONT]United States[/FONT] in 1987. Latell interviewed him extensively in 2007and 2008, and found him unusually credible on the workings of the Cubansecurity forces. Aspillaga told Latell that on [/FONT]Nov. 22, 1963[/FONT], he was manning a Cuban radio monitoring station thatusually focused on [/FONT]Miami[/FONT] or Langley. His bosses, he said, made an unusualrequest that day: monitor the airwaves in [/FONT]Texas[/FONT]. Soon came the shocking news that JFK had been killedin [/FONT]Dallas[/FONT]."[/FONT]

"Castro knew," Aspillaga is quoted as saying. "They knew Kennedy would bekilled."
If Castro knew JFK would be killed, he could have learned of the plot from theanti-Castro groups that his G2 had penetrated, but knowing JFK was visitingTexas and asking COMIT agents to focus on Texas is not expressing foreknowledgeof the assassination, only that JFK was there. So Aspillaga's conclusion isoff, and intentionally misinterpreted by the CIAdisinformation agent Latell, but it is important nonetheless in that itindicates they were intentionally targeting the Texascommunications, as we are just beginning to study in depth today.

I'd like to know did Aspillaga work at the Cuban radio communications facilityat Lourdes?
If Castro learned of the assassination from radio communications, and he hadinstructed his radio operators to listen specifically to Texasbroadcasts, perhaps the Cubans have a copy of the Air Force One radiotransmissions that our government has apparently lost.

If Latell's primary source Aspillaga did work at a Cuban radio base stationthat attempted to intercept American radio communications, then he probablyworked at Lourdes radiocommunications intercept center, which was set up by the Soviets and used thestate-of-the-art equipment the Russians had developed.

I had previously considered the idea that this Cuban facility listened in andprobably recorded the Air Force One radio communications, and wondered if itwas feasible to ask the Cubans for their copy of the AF1 radio communicationsthey taped. Towards that end I exchanged emails with Dave Emery, an Americanradio communications specialist who had written a research article on the Cubanradio intercept station at Lourdes.

I told Emery about the missing Air Force One radio transmission tapes and askedhim if the NSA or the Cubans at Lourdeswould likely have a copy.

He responded: I find it rather surprising, even amazing, that the NSA wouldadmit to having ever had a copy of that traffic. I believe they no doubt did(have it), but there I quite a bit of sensitivity to a US government agencyintercepting high level US traffic, and it is not clear to me under whatoperational directive they ran such a Mystic Star monitoring operation.

Back then it would have actually taken an operator or two dialing infrequencies on the R-390As and recording everything on tape and I am mostintrigued if you got them to admit to having assigned such to Mystic Star inNovember 1963.

One supposes that once the news of the assassination became known within NSA(ASA/AFSS/NSG etc.) monitoring facilities some of the operators looked for theMystic Star traffic and listened to it (military discipline aside, I am surethere were people curious enough to break the rules under the circumstances).And given that the intercept positions had tape gear, probably there were tapesmade on the QT. But for anyone to admit to their existence is quite anothermatter.

I do know that continuous Crown patches on the AF-1 primary and secondary hifrequencies were almost certainly recorded by WHCA at the White House comcenter and probably also at Andrews com center Mystic Star operators.

It seems inconceivable that these tapes weren't carefully saved, and probablyplayed over by insiders many times. Of course considering the variousconspiracy theories (and remotely possible also the presence of a realconspiracy) it follows that these tapes may have been edited or deliberatelydestroyed, or locked up under seal for another 50 years or whatever.

I have almost total certainty that WHCA and or the 89th SAMcom operators had such tapes from the actual radios used to communicate withthe plane I would not consider it even remotely conceivable they weren'troutinely taping the lines.

While I know that I unlikely, I've considered the possibly that theCubans/Russians picked it up and may have intercepted the traffic. Whether thiswas done from Cubaat Lourdes or from the SovietEmbassy in Washington (or both)is less clear. Frankly considering what sometimes was said over Mystic Star inthe clear in that era, it seems beyond doubt that the Soviets would have foundit worthwhile to assign operators to routinely monitor the traffic and almostcertainly record what they intercepted on tape for later translation, playingfor leadership and whatever. The recent Mitroysin Archive book specificallymentions Soviet monitoring of VIPcommunications from aircraft, including such monitoring from the Sovietdiplomatic facilities in the DC and NY areas.

And whilst the Russians were sometimes slow on the uptake and the Mitroshinstuff mentions the Kissinger era, I find it rather hard to believe that theydidn't know about and follow Mysitc Star practically from its inception.
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