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How Did President Kennedy's Assassination Happen?
#31
Albert Doyle Wrote:If Garrison's account about Bobby seeking to investigate the Assassination is true then Bobby must have broken ranks with the traitor story at some point. If this traitor plausible cover story is true then it would be very interesting to known the exact influences that made Bobby come around and reject this ruse. Bobby was too smart to not know the players involved or his brother's intentions. He was too smart to buy their traitor story without question. I might opt for the WWIII virus instead (or more likely a hybrid).

RFK never would have "bought" the JFK-as-traitor disinformation.

He would have understood, however, that the story would have been sold to millions then and, even worse, to history.
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#32
Well, bear with me, the problem I have with that is Bobby was smart enough to know that if he forced this traitor ruse to be made public the agencies that brought it would then expose themselves to public scrutiny of the covert intelligence means by which it was gotten. This would then create exposed 'edges' by which the research community would quickly discover its flaws. Even quicker, in my mind, than they discovered the flaws in the rotten Lone Nut theory.

It could be that Bobby quickly realized he was now a lone Kennedy amongst a sea of powers that murdered his brother and in order to keep from being destroyed himself and made to look crazy he decided to bide his time and rally for a move. Once JFK was gone these powers were literally most of the government. Maybe Bobby was worried he would force a complete tectonic shift towards a 7 Days In May by playing his hand too soon. Not a WWIII virus but a fascist coup one. These wolves had killed his brother. God knows what they might have done if challenged. Look what they did to Bobby.
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#33
Phil Dragoo Wrote: In Thy Will Be Done: The Conquest of the Amazon: Nelson Rockefeller and Evangelism in the Age of Oil, by Gerard Colby and Charlotte Dennett, it is seen that David Rockefeller at Chase Bank was a constant, though unsensational, power. The global campaign for markets, for resources, the subjugation of population and the installation of amenable governments had nothing to do with national interest, although national interest was an instrument.


Hello Phil, thanks for kicking in.

I have yet to read "Thy Will Be Done." Could you expand upon this a little?

This is in line with the John Perkins book, "Diary of an Economic Hitman," correct?

Quote:the subjugation of population and the installation of amenable governments had nothing to do with national interest, although national interest was an instrument

By "national interest" as you referring to the American Empire or the other countries that have fallen into the grasp of this unquenchable octopus? Or, are you saying there was nothing national about the Kennedy assassination?

I understand the raping of these countries for their resources at pennies to the dollar, but I'm confused about is "nothing to do with national interest."

Isn't this the expansion of the American Empire, the American corporatocracy (thanks to Charles and Phil and "copy and paste," I can never spell that damn word right)?

When the Rockefellers/DuPonts/Morgans do business, it is world-wide. The idea is always 'more.' But, the control of the American political/economic system is of vast importance. It ties into this global reach.

I realize the American Empire is folded into others, but is not without importance -- or I have misunderstood?
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#34
Albert and Charles,

Quote:RFK never would have "bought" the JFK-as-traitor disinformation.

He would have understood, however, that the story would have been sold to millions then and, even worse, to history.

Exactly.

Quote:It could be that Bobby quickly realized he was now a lone Kennedy amongst a sea of powers that murdered his brother and in order to keep from being destroyed himself and made to look crazy he decided to bide his time and rally for a move. Once JFK was gone these powers were literally most of the government.

Albert, not "most" of the government. They were all of it. To accomplish the murder, all key resources were utlized. All the fragments were gathered and consolidated. There was nowhere for Bobby to move. Checkmate, brother.

Bobby also was well-aware of the hand he had in establishing this back-channel. Among other things he knew: If they can kill my brother with the power of the presidency, what can they do to me and my family?

I'm reminded of the quote Charles posted earlier attributed to RFK: "I used to think I know how the world works. I didn't."
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#35
Stan Wilbourne Wrote:
Phil Dragoo Wrote: In Thy Will Be Done: The Conquest of the Amazon: Nelson Rockefeller and Evangelism in the Age of Oil, by Gerard Colby and Charlotte Dennett, it is seen that David Rockefeller at Chase Bank was a constant, though unsensational, power. The global campaign for markets, for resources, the subjugation of population and the installation of amenable governments had nothing to do with national interest, although national interest was an instrument.


Hello Phil, thanks for kicking in.

I have yet to read "Thy Will Be Done." Could you expand upon this a little?

Stan - it's a hard book to find.

Here's a sympathetic review:


Quote:NELSON ROCKEFELLER and Evangelism in the Age of Oil



"Thy Will Be Done", The Conquest of the Amazon:


by Gerard Colby with Charlotte Dennett
Harper Collins, 1995. 960 pages


reviewed by Carmelo Ruiz

Carmelo Ruiz is a Puerto Rican journalist and research associate at the institute for Social Ecology, email ise@ igc.apc.org at Goddard College, Vermont. Connect: ernail: carrneloruiz@hotmailcom

In 1976, reporters Gerard Colby and Charlotte Dennett traveled to Brazil as part of a journalistic team to write stories about the work of Christian missionaries in the Amazon basin. High on Colby and Dennett's list of priorities was to learn about a mysterious missionary organization called the Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL). This outfit, also known as the Wycliffe Bible Translators, had gotten kudos from both conservatives and liberals for translating the Bible into hundreds of indigenous languages in Central and South America and helping native peoples cope with the intrusion of Western civilization into their lives.

However, Colby and Dennett had heard of a darker side to SIL. Numerous critics had alleged that SIL was the vanguard of the destruction of both the rainforests and their native inhabitants. They had heard from Latin American acquaintances that SIL was, in military fashion, a scouting party that surveyed the Amazonian hinterlands for potential sources of opposition to natural resource exploitation (read cattle ranching, clearcutting and strip mining) among native peoples and that it employed a virulent brand of Christian fundamentalism that relied on linguistics to undermine the social cohesion of aboriginal communities and accelerate their assimilation into Western culture. In addition to all this, numerous articles in the Latin American press accused 511. of being funded by the American intelligence community.

That last charge sounded particularly believable, since the authors' trip took place in the wake of recent revelations by the Church Committee of the US Senate, which investigated the activities of US intelligence agencies. It bears mentioning that Colby was by then no stranger to corporate and political intrigue. In 19 74, writing as Gerard Colby Zilg, he published Dupont: Behind the Nylon Curtain, a 600+ page tome that narrated the Dupont family's corrupt history, from its profiteering on gunpowder sales to its manufacture of ozone-depleting gases. However, don't expect to see it in bookstores. When a Dupont PR representative said the book was scurrilous and actionable, publisher Prentice Hall was intimidated into letting Dupont go out of print. (In 1984, an expanded and updated 900 page-long edition of the book was published, which included, among other things, the Dupont's little-known connection to the Nicaraguan contras. Unfortunately, it met the same fate as the previous edition.)

Dennett was also a veteran journalist, having recently been stationed in Beirut, where she covered the civil war then raging in Lebanon. The authors found SIL a veritable empire whose missionary activities spanned every country in the Amazon basin, with a network of bases that look more like picket-fenced American suburbia than the frontier outposts for the global economy that they actually are. SIL even has its own air force and communications system, the Jungle Aviation and Radio Service (JAARS), which permits it to act virtually independently from the governments of the countries where it operates. After years of research, Colby and Dennett found a number of irrefutable links between SIL and US counterinsurgency operations. Among these, SIL agressively denied that the native peoples of Brazil and Guatemala were being slaughtered by the military regimes of their countries; it allowed its base in the Ecuadoran Amazon to be used by Green Berets who were combing the Western Amazon for signs of armed insurgency; and it assisted the Peruvian air force, which had napalmed the Mayoruna and Campa Indians.

If Colby and Dennett had limited themselves to just exposing SIL, Thy Will be Done would still have been a formidable journalistic achievement. But the authors went on to research the American institutions, private and governmental, that provided support for SIL's mission. These included Standard Oil of New Jersey; the Pew family, creators of the Sun Oil Company (Sunoco) and the Pew Charitable Trusts, the US Agency for International Development, and the US military through its donations of surplus military equipment. Although they could find no smoking gun directly linking the CIA to SIL, they did find several circumstantial and indirect links, such as financial support from a foundation that was later exposed as a CIA front and the fact that JAARS's top pilot, Lawrence Montgomery, was on the Agency's payroll.

In the course of their investigation, the authors learned that SIL had a big debt to institutions and individuals associated with the Rockefeller family. SIL founder William Cameron (Cam) Townsend was inspired by the antihookworm and antimalaria campaigns of the Rockefeller Foundation and the Rockefeller Sanitary Commission, and his linguistics methods owed much to the work of linguist Edward Sapir of the University of Chicago, an institution that was also supported by the Rockefeller Foundation. Another influence on Townsend was Mexican anthropologist Manuel Gameo, whose interdisciplinary studies on native peoples were sponsored by the University of Chicago, the Laura Spelman Rockefeller Memorial Fund and the Social Science Research Council.

The last two were run by Beardsley Ruml, a member of the inner circle of the Rockefeller family. One thinker who had a great influence on Townsend's approach to native cultures was John Mott, one of John D. Rockefeller, Jr.'s most trusted envoys. Mott was a millenarian who hoped to evangelize the world in his generation, but rather than embracing fundamentalism, he rejected it in favor of a broad-minded science-based approach. In a report he co-authored in 1932 called Rethinking Missions, Mott called for more cultural tolerance and social concern on the part of missionaries working abroad and less reliance on vociferous evangelical proselytizing. Such an approach, he argued, would win more converts in the long run and neutralize the nationalistic and communist revolts then brewing in what years later would come to be called the Third World.

Colby and Dennett found the Rockefeller connection particularly intriguing, and went on to investigate the Rockefeller family's financial interests in the commercial and industrial development of the Brazilian Amazon. In 1941, Nelson Rockefeller was named by president Roosevelt to the post of coordinator of the Office of Interamerican Affairs (CIAA), which ran intelligence and propaganda operations against the Nazis in Latin America. In one of its many flagrant violations of the separation between church and state, SIL assisted the CIAA in its Intensive Language Program for American and Latin American military officers and gathered intelligence on native peoples. As coordinator of the CIAA, Nelson acquired invaluable information about Latin America's untapped natural resources, especially mineral reserves, information that ended up in his files and which he used after the war, when he formed the International Basic Economy Corporation (IBEC). This company became a key component in the post-World War Two opening of the Amazon rainforest to commercial exploitation, a process that eventually led to military dictatorships, genocide of native peoples, loss of biological diversity and unprecedented misery for the majority of Brazilians.

The Rockefeller-led effort to conquer the Amazon and exploit its natural riches had been made possible in no small measure by SIL's missionary activities. Colby and Dennett found a historic parallel in John D. Rockefeller, Sr.'s support for Christian missionaries in the American west, who were compiling extremely useful information on Native American communities, which were potential sources of opposition to the entrance of Standard Oil into their lands.' As a bonus, the evangelization process weakened the American Indians' social structure and so undermined their resolve to fight for their rights. The authors quote Baptist reverend Frederick Gates, who for many years was John D. Sr.'s right-hand man, as saying that "We are only in the very dawn of commerce, and we owe that dawn to the channels opened up by Christian missionaries.... The effect of the missionary enterprise of the English speaking peoples will be to bring them the peaceful conquest of the world."

On the other hand, it is also true that SIL's mission was greatly helped by the Rockefellers and the industrial development process that they were such an important part of. SIL's missionaries believe that when the last tribe in the jungles is evangelized, the Second Coming of the Lord will take place; so for them the race to develop the Amazon basin's natural resources is only a means to an end. In practice, this symbiotic relationship between commercial exploitation and Christian fundamentalism was a match made in hell that spelled doom for native peoples and the rainforests they inhabited.

The authors follow Nelson Rockefeller's consuming interest in Latin America: his days in Venezuela working for Standard Oil subsidiary Creole Petroleum, where he developed his concepts of corporate social responsibility; his tenure as coordinator of the CIAA; his brief stint as Assistant Secretary of State, in which he was a key behind-the-scenes player in the international negotiations that led to the founding of the United Nations and the Organization of American States; his formation of IBEC, his service to the Eisenhower administration as special assistant for cold war strategy, a position in which he was briefed on top secret CIA operations, including coup d'etats and the infamous MKULTRA mind control experiments, his membership in president Nixon's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board at a time when the CIA was destabilizing Salvador Allende's democratic socialist government in Chile, and much more.

Of special interest to Colby and Dennett were a series of by-invitation-only seminars hosted by Nelson under the sponsorship of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund (RBF) in Quantico naval base during the Eisenhower administration. The Quantico seminars, known officially as the RBF Special Studies Project, advocated increased military spending and a more confrontational policy towards the Soviet Union. The participants included men who would later become instrumental in developing the Kennedy administration's counterinsurgency doctrine, such as Eugene Rostow, Edward Lansdale, Paul Nitze, Adolf Berle, McGeorge Bundy, Walt Rostow, Henry Kissinger and Dean Rusk (who was then president of the Rockefeller Foundation and would become Kennedy's Secretary of State).

The book only skims through Nelson's deeds as governor of New York, although it does mention his ignominious performance during the Attica prison uprising. Colby and Dennett focus instead on his presidential ambitions, which came to a climax with his botched attempt to beat Barry Goldwater to the 1964 Republican presidential nomination, and his international activities, such as his disastrous 1969 tour of the Americas. Nelson's crowning political achievement was getting appointed to the vice presidency of the United States in 1974. Unelected Vice President Rockefeller was then called on by unelected President Ford to chair a commission to investigate CIA abuses. As the authors point out, no one could have been less qualified for that last job.

Those who may feel tempted to dismiss Thy Will be Done's conclusions as conspiracy theory will have a hell of a time trying to refute the book's arguments and conclusions. The 830 pages of text, 92 pages of footnotes and bibliography and dozens of charts, graphs, photographs and maps eloquently document and support every single charge made by the authors. It is precisely in order to placate the skeptics that Colby and Dennett adopted this mindbogglingly exhaustive approach. In spite of this, the book is amazingly readable and does not come across as stuffy and academic.

Those who read books on American foreign policy in search of titillating revelations of sensational CIA covert operations while neglecting to study the social, political and historical context in which they are embedded will find this book a difficult, even annoying, read. Conspiracy buffs may have an encyclopedic knowledge of CIA intrigues and scandals, but they're not interested at all in doing the hard intellectual work of learning about the nature of the system of corporate profit and exploitation which intelligence agencies were created to serve. They will undoubtedly be frustrated by the book's scholarly dose of anthropology, linguistics and history, and will probably skim through the pages in search of startling revelations of covert intrigue and secret wars. The authors' implicit message to the self-proclaimed conspiracy researchers is clear: that all the muckraking investigative journalism in the world will not bring about social change if it is not accompanied by a critical analysis of the economic, political and historical context of the times we're living.

Upon a superficial examination, one would tend to think that the book will appeal to the Bible-thumping, right-wing populists of the John Birch fringe who despise the Rockefellers. This band of the American political spectrum, which has been known to publicize bizarre allegations of a Rockefeller--orchestrated plot to create a socialist world government, will be baffled and perplexed by one of Thy Will be Done's chief conclusions: that they've been had. According to Colby and Dennett, far from being a threat to the Machiavellian power of the Rockefellers, the Christian fundamentalists were extremely useful in furthering the global designs of the heirs of the Standard Oil fortune.

On the other hand, left-leaning liberals will find the book's conclusions even harder to swallow, since the Rockefeller philanthropies (which include the Rockefeller Foundation, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and the Rockefeller Family Fund) are among the main funding sources of liberal political activism in the US, including civil liberties, feminism and the environmental movement. Beneficiaries of Rockefeller charitable giving in recent years have included groups like Essential Information, the ACLU, the Ms. Foundation, the NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund, Environmental Action, the Student Environmental Action Coalition, the Center for Responsive Politics, the NAACP who are much more likely to say, "Wait, you're being a little unbalanced. Sure, they've done terrible things in the past, but they're funding some really terrific stuff nowadays." As much as one may try to rationalize the embarassing predicament of taking money from the ultra-rich to finance social change, the question remains: What are the prospects for an American progressive agenda when it is heavily dependent on funding from a philanthropic system that owes its forhine to commercial activities that destroy ecosystems worldwide, erode biological diversity and create a holocaust for indigenous peoples? Colby and Dennett do not pose that question to readers, but it will certainly hover ominously over the mind of any American reader whose political beliefs are at least five degrees to the left of National Public Radio or The New Republic.

Thy Will be Done is a very challenging and deeply disturbing book. Although much lip service has been paid to the concept of holistic thinking, Colby and Dennett do actually put together the pieces of the macabre puzzle of the destruction of the Amazon rain-forest and the genocide of its indigenous dwellers and reach conclusions that are unsettling for conservatives and liberals alike. All or most environmentalists agree that the destruction of the Amazon rainforest can't be seen as separate from a host of social, political and economic factors in South America as well as in industrialized countries like the US, but it takes nothing less than a book like Thy Will be Done to show what this actually means.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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#36
On the leader-as-traitor meme, there are also the claims by MI5 agent Peter Wright that British PM Harold Wilson (elected in 1964) was a Soviet agent, and the military coup plots against the British Labour government of 1968 and 1974.

Here's the wiki version which naturally is labelled a "conspiracy theory":

Quote:Soviet defector Anatoliy Golitsyn is said to have told Alec MacDonald, who set up safe houses where Golitsyn could live, that Wilson was a KGB operative and that former Labour Party leader Hugh Gaitskell had been assassinated by the KGB in order to have the pro-US Gaitskell replaced as party leader by Harold Wilson.[1] David Leigh, however, claims that Golitsyn was guessing.[citation needed] Christopher Andrew, the official historian for Britain's MI5[2], has described Golitsyn as an "unreliable conspiracy theorist".[3]

Former MI5 officer Peter Wright claimed in his memoirs Spycatcher that he had been told that Wilson was a Soviet agent. Wright states that after Wilson was elected Prime Minister in 1964 the CIA's head of the Counterintelligence Division, James Angleton, had told him that he had heard from a source (whom he did not name, but who was probably Golitsyn) that Wilson was a Soviet agent. Angleton said he would give further information if MI5 would guarantee to keep the allegations from 'political circles'.[4] The management of MI5, according to Wright, refused to accept Angleton's restrictions on the use of his information and so Angleton did not tell them anything more.

According to Wright by the end of the 1960s MI5 had received information that the Labour Party had 'almost certainly' been penetrated by the Soviets. Two Czechoslovakian defectors, 'Frolik' and 'August', had fled to the West and named a list of Labour MPs and trade unionists as Soviet agents.[4]

(snip)


In his 1976 memoir Walking on Water, Hugh Cudlipp recounts a meeting he arranged at the request of Cecil King, the head of the International Publishing Corporation, between King and Lord Mountbatten of Burma. The meeting took place on May 8, 1968. Attending were Mountbatten, King, Cudlipp, and Sir Solly Zuckerman, the Chief Scientific Adviser to the British government.

According to Cudlipp:


"[Cecil] awaited the arrival of Sir Solly and then at once expounded his views on the gravity of the national situation, the urgency for action, and then embarked upon a shopping list of the Prime Minister's shortcomings...He explained that in the crisis he foresaw as being just around the corner, the Government would disintegrate, there would be bloodshed in the streets and the armed forces would be involved. The people would be looking to somebody like Lord Mountbatten as the titular head of a new administration, somebody renowned as a leader of men, who would be capable, backed by the best brains and administrators in the land, to restore public confidence. He ended with a question to Mountbatten- would he agree to be the titular head of a new administration in such circumstances?"[6]

Mountbatten asked for the opinion of Zuckerman, who stated that the plan amounted to treason and left the room. Mountbatten expressed the same opinion, and King and Cudlipp left.[7] On 30 May 1968 King was dismissed as the head of the International Publishing Corporation.

(snip)


Alleged 1974 military coup plot

On the BBC television programme The Plot Against Harold Wilson, broadcast on March 16, 2006 on BBC2, it was claimed there were threats of a coup d'état against the Wilson government, which was corroborated by leading figures of the time on both the left and the right. Wilson told two BBC journalists, Roger Courtiour and Barrie Penrose, that he feared he was being undermined by MI5. The first time was in the late 1960s after the Wilson Government devalued the pound sterling but the threat faded after Conservative leader Edward Heath won the election of 1970. However after a coal miners strike Heath decided to hold an election to renew his mandate to govern in February 1974 but lost narrowly to Wilson. There was again talk of a military coup, with rumours of Lord Mountbatten as head of an interregnal administration after Wilson had been deposed. In 1974 the Army occupied Heathrow Airport on the grounds of training for possible IRA terrorist action there, however Baroness Falkender (a senior aide and close friend of Wilson) asserted that it was ordered as a practice-run for a military takeover or as a show of strength as the government itself was not informed of such an exercise based around a key point in the nation's infrastructure.[8]

[edit] The Peter Wright allegations and Clockwork Orange

Peter Wright claimed that he was confronted by two of his MI5 colleagues and that they said to him: "Wilson's a bloody menace and it's about time the public knew the truth", and "We'll have him out, this time we'll have him out".[9] Wright alleged that there was a plan to leak damaging information about Wilson and that this had been approved by 'up to thirty officers'.[9] As the 1974 election approached, the plan went, MI5 would leak selective details of the intelligence about Labour leaders, especially Wilson, to 'sympathetic' journalists. According to Wright MI5 would use their contacts in the press and the trade unions to spread around the idea that Wilson was considered a security risk. The matter was to be raised in Parliament for 'maximum effect'.[9] However Wright declined to let them see the files on Wilson and the plan was never carried out but Wright does claim it was a 'carbon copy' of the Zinoviev Letter which had helped destabilise the first Labour Government in 1924.

On March 22, 1987 former MI5 officer James Miller claimed that the Ulster Workers Council Strike of 1974 had been promoted by MI5 in order to help destabilise Wilson's government.[10]

In July 1987, Labour MP, Ken Livingstone used his maiden speech to raise the allegations of a former Army press officer, Colin Wallace, that the Army press office in Northern Ireland had been used in the 1970s as part of a smear campaign, codenamed Clockwork Orange against Harold Wilson and other British and Irish politicians.

The public position of MI5 was established with the publication in 2009 of Defence of the Realm, the first authorised history of MI5, by Christopher Andrew, in which it is reported that, while MI5 kept a file on Wilson from 1945, when he became an MP because communist civil servants claimed that he had similar political sympathies there was no bugging of his home or office, and no conspiracy against him.[11] However in 2010 newspaper reports made detailed allegations that the bugging of 10 Downing Street had been omitted from the history for "wider public interest reasons". In 1963 on Harold Macmillan's orders following the Profumo Affair MI5 bugged the cabinet room, the waiting room, and the prime minister's study until the bugs were removed in 1977 on Jim Callaghan's orders. From the records it is unclear if Harold Wilson or Edward Heath knew of the bugging, and no recorded conversations were retained by MI5 so possibly the bugs were never activated.[12] Professor Andrew had previously recorded in the preface of the history that "One significant excision as a result of these requirements (in the chapter on The Wilson Plot) is, I believe, hard to justify" giving credence to these new allegations.[13]



Leigh, David (1988). The Wilson Plot: How the Spycatchers and Their American Allies Tried to Overthrow the British Government. Pantheon Books. ISBN 9780394572413.
Wright, Peter (1987). Spycatcher. William Heinemann. ISBN 0855610980.

[edit] Notes

1.^ Leigh, p. 80.
2.^ War and Intelligence Conference
3.^ Christopher Andrew, Spy Wars: Moles, Mysteries and Deadly Games By Tennent H Bagley Reviewed by Christopher Andrew, The Sunday Times, June 24, 2007
4.^ a b Wright, p. 364.
5.^ Michael Evans, Wilson cleared of KGB threat in MI5 inquiry. The Times, May 4, 1987.
6.^ Cudlipp, Hugh (1976). Walking on Water. The Bodley Head. p. 326.
7.^ a b Cudlipp, pp.326-327.
8.^ Wheeler, Brian (9 March 2006). "Wilson 'plot': The secret tapes". BBC News.
9.^ a b c Peter Wright, Spycatcher (William Heinemann, 1987), Ibid, p. 369.
10.^ "Chronology of the Conflict 1987". Cain.ulst.ac.uk. Retrieved 2008-09-25.
11.^ MI5 kept file on former PM Wilson, BBC News, 3 October 2009
12.^ Brendan Bourne (18 April 2010). "Allegations No.10 was bugged by MI5 removed' from official history". The Sunday Times. Retrieved 2010-04-20.
13.^ Jason Lewis and Tom Harper (18 April 2010). "Revealed: How MI5 bugged 10 Downing Street, the Cabinet and at least five Prime Ministers for 15 YEARS". Daily Mail. Retrieved 2010-04-20.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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#37
Carmelo Ruiz on Thy Will Be Done (from Stan's #35 above):


Those who read books on American foreign policy in search of titillating revelations of sensational CIA covert operations while neglecting to study the social, political and historical context in which they are embedded will find this book a difficult, even annoying, read. Conspiracy buffs may have an encyclopedic knowledge of CIA intrigues and scandals, but they're not interested at all in doing the hard intellectual work of learning about the nature of the system of corporate profit and exploitation which intelligence agencies were created to serve.



". . .the system of corporate profit and exploitation which intelligence agencies were created to serve."


Ruiz' and Colby-Dennett's treatment is from outside the financial, religious, intelligence device.

One might consider the wondrous tale of Bernal Diaz in Conquest of Mexico. A military, religious expedition fueled by spies and treachery.

Today we have technology and tradecraft ever-refining, but all still to serve what seems to be a throne yet a throne resting upon the green felt of the house.

And the house in addition to having many rooms, has all of the thrones in those rooms.
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#38
Quote:Stan - it's a hard book to find.

Not if you are willing to order it from The Death Star. There are 21 paperbacks available from $21.99 (in the US).

And yes, I caved in and bought it.
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#39
Phil Dragoo Wrote: " ... learning about the nature of the system of corporate profit and exploitation which intelligence agencies were created to serve."

In a nutshell.

Remember this the next time you're tempted to argue that "the CIA did it."

" ... profit and exploitation" systematized, protected, disguised.

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#40
Charles Drago Wrote:
Phil Dragoo Wrote: [i]" ... learning about the nature of the system of corporate profit and exploitation which intelligence agencies were created to serve."

In a nutshell.

Remember this the next time you're tempted to argue that "the CIA did it."

" ... profit and exploitation" systematized, protected, disguised.

Or, if you will -- and you should -- Sponsors.

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