Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[Vasilios Vazakas]

Mark

I haven't found a single piece of evidence that proves that Mossad operatives were at work in Dealey Plaza, New Orleans, Dallas or Mexico-and don't tell me Frank Sturgis or Permindex.

[Don Jeffries]

I don't believe Israel was a primary mover behind the JFK assassination. However, there is no question that the research community has long been reluctant to even dicuss this subject. Piper's book was instantly dismissed simply because he focused on Israel.

AIPAC is in a class by itself; no other lobby is comparable in terms of power and influence. Israel is so fully dependant upon U.S. taxpayer support that it is doubtul it could exist without our massive aid. Our foreign policy became increasingly tied to the whims of Israel, starting with the Reagan administration.

Zionist influence is so great in the U.S. now that there is a much more open and hearty debate about Israel within Israel itself than there is in the American Congress or mainstream media. Any criticism of Israel or zionism is instantly labeled "anti-semitism." When you can marginalize the issue by attacking the messenger, then there is no way to truly address the subject.

[Mark Stapleton]

Mark

I haven't found a single piece of evidence that proves that Mossad operatives were at work in Dealey Plaza, New Orleans, Dallas or Mexico-and don't tell me Frank Sturgis or Permindex.

Well a committed Zionist killed LHO in the basement of the Dallas Jail.

How did you miss that?

[Vasilios Vazakas]

You mean Ruby, a patsy himself?

[Ed Jewett]

I don't believe Israel was a primary mover behind the JFK assassination. However, there is no question that the research community has long been reluctant to even dicuss this subject. Piper's book was instantly dismissed simply because he focused on Israel.

AIPAC is in a class by itself; no other lobby is comparable in terms of power and influence. Israel is so fully dependant upon U.S. taxpayer support that it is doubtul it could exist without our massive aid. Our foreign policy became increasingly tied to the whims of Israel, starting with the Reagan administration.

Zionist influence is so great in the U.S. now that there is a much more open and hearty debate about Israel within Israel itself than there is in the American Congress or mainstream media. Any criticism of Israel or zionism is instantly labeled "anti-semitism." When you can marginalize the issue by attacking the messenger, then there is no way to truly address the subject.

Well said, and there's lot more to the overall issue and problem than that. Intimidation, marginalization, co-optation, infiltration, indirect Luttwakian "coups", etc. But then historically the entire issues or sub-divisions or "grey areas" of the debate, the ethnicities, the politics, the pitting of one group versus another, have all been instruments or tactics wherein many a culprit or a "protector" or an attacker can lurk, hide, or take refuge, pretending to be something they are not, appearing chameleon-like to be part of the environment or something else entirely.

A excerpt from part of Harry Truman's letter (rapidly "disappeared") to the Washington Post shortly after the assassination of John Kennedy about his role in the creation of the CIA (really, the entire national security apparatus) ought to remind folks to do some deep research into the parallel tracks in the birth of the US security apparatus and the creation of the state of Israel which, in turn, will, perhaps, lead the curious to the influences involved in getting a haberdasher from Missouri into the upper circles of US governmental power. "Dancing with the one who brung you" is a concept that's been around for a century, at least.

[Albert Doyle]

Mark

I haven't found a single piece of evidence that proves that Mossad operatives were at work in Dealey Plaza, New Orleans, Dallas or Mexico-and don't tell me Frank Sturgis or Permindex.

You might want to read Piper's Final Judgment. Your "not a single piece of evidence" unavoidably evokes David Von Pein.



You can't get away with that when you truthfully analyze Tibor Rosenbaum's association with the Permindex fund route.



(This squabble was deliberately planned by the Sponsors)

[Vasilios Vazakas]

Now, Now, do not compare me with that idiot...I have said in previous threads that the CIA might have used Rosenbaum and Lansky's dug and laundering bank network to finance the assassination, but they would have been facilitators on orders from the real sponsors. Along with Paul Helliwell these people connect SE Asia to people like Percival Brundage.

[Albert Doyle]

Now, Now, do not compare me with that idiot...I have said in previous threads that the CIA might have used Rosenbaum and Lansky's dug and laundering bank network to finance the assassination, but they would have been facilitators on orders from the real sponsors. Along with Paul Helliwell these people connect SE Asia to people like Percival Brundage.

Have you read the book? You are saying things that don't necessarily conflict with Piper's thesis or with the Deep Political perspective either.

[Vasilios Vazakas]

Just beacause i said that does not mean that i endorse Piper's book which i consider an exercise in False sponsoring Israel.
The purpose of this book is to give to Israel, Lansky and LBJ a false sponsor status while exonerates the money trust by saying that the EO 11110 had nothing to do with
the murder.

[Seamus Coogan]

Just beacause i said that does not mean that i endorse Piper's book which i consider an exercise in False sponsoring Israel. The purpose of this book is to give to Israel, Lansky and LBJ a false sponsor status while exonerates the money trust by saying that the EO 11110 had nothing to do with the murder.

Keep fighting the good fight Vas, CD and Magda. Sadly my dang laptop is off line at the moment. So I can't give any indepth analysis. As yet. Don's right there wasn't much analysis done on Pipers book and it was rejected for it being merely a pro 'Israel did it'. No one has taken the time to break it apart piece by piece. Which incidentally Magda and I were thinking of doing for a CTKA article (well it was one of the ideas). The issue here is that I have read it. Further I have given some indepth analysis on it here at DPF. There's a lot more going than merely Israel as suspects. There's an appalling use of sources, a number of revisions and re-writes. Outright fabrications of the truth and poor research. Mark ducked and dived continually during this time. I'll detail this and find my stuff when I get more time.