Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[Albert Doyle]

Albert

This is my response regarding Lansky in an oldest thread

CH: As for Lansky in particular and OC in general: Do you conclude that he/they are Facilitators, Sponsors, and/or patsys?
V: This is a difficult one. If Ruby was involved in a plot to kill JFK and he was calling Rosselli, Gruber and McWillie then we should conclude that Lansky was also involved. If Ruby was not involved then all of them might have been involved with Oswald in Anti-Castro operations unrelated to JFK.
On the other hand The Lansky syndicate and Trafficante had a business interest in South East Asia and specifically the Golden triangle of heroin. They had cooperated with Helliwell and JM/WAVE in laundering drug money, in Lansky casinos and Florida banks.
So in my mind, Lansky was either another patsy, or he was used by the Far-East CIA elements involved in the assignation to launder drug money that were used to facilitate the assassination. It would have been easier and safer than to use H.L.Hunt's money to finance it.

And since you would like to repeat ourselves , here we go again

Israel is the cover and alibi of the real sponsors, and Piper's book a disinformation project with respect to the sum of its parts

You obviously haven't read Piper. The things you point-out are secondary to the mainline French Connection/Tibor Rosenbaum branch of that nexus. Don't you understand that the Golden Triangle heroin you reference was smuggled back to CIA-protected French Connection heroin labs in Marseille just like in the movie? In return the Corsican heroin mob assisted in anti-communist black ops that happened to be funded by the money from that very nexus. That was the whole purpose of the covert funding. Don't you understand that the Helliwell, Lansky, Florida bank money laundry's main trunk was Tibor Rosenbaum's Banque Du Credit Internacional - which was a main Israeli/Mossad funding source? Sorry, you might protest over repeating yourself, but you're not coming anywhere close to answering what either I or Piper wrote. You haven't even scratched the surface. I believe Piper's point is that many players in the assassination had dual loyalties. Your references to the Golden Triangle are so irrelevant as to indicate an ignorance of the subject.

If you read what you quoted above it says "If Ruby was involved in a plot to kill Kennedy...then we should conclude Lansky was involved".

Well, we know he was, don't we?

[Phil Dragoo]

Albert

We may always rely upon you to provide a wheels-within-wheels analysis, thought-provoking inversion of assumptions.

I return us now to the news of the day, Saudis (to whom our president bowed) maintain production to punish Putin's Russia for arming the Sunni rebels.

Insurance cancelled on the Russian ship bringing helicopters and it returns to port as Russia protests the insurance company had no right to refuse coverage.

Turkey under Erdogan is Islamism ascendant.

The Sponsor model for me has become a unified theory which explains everything or nothing.

At every place on the Great Mandala the players protest sincerity.

May we question Johnson's crocodile tears or the General Guide to the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood's exhortation to jihad.

I posit some will find a Mossad Israeli Zionist (MIZ) behind every bushin just the way that some of our favorite people find a Bush behind every bush, or an FLBJ (Friend of LBJ), et cetera.

The world is an arena wherein there are levels of play. I think you posit that the MIZ, the Mossad Israeli Zionists control the four dimensional chess on the holodeck.

Okay, the China-Israeli arms trade was initiated by Shaul Eisenberg.

Marc Rich married Denise Eisenberg whose father Emil Eisenberg created the business opportunity for the man pardoned by Bill Clinton.

Whose wife may be monitored by the daughter of the chief of the virtual "Muslim sisterhood" a best-friend-forever of the new Egyptian ruler.

Do you think the Secretary of State who entertained Arafat more than any other person is carrying a chip implanted by the Ministry of MIZ.

Surely the sponsor manipulates in almost imperceptible fashion.

Now, consider Allen Dulles.

If you are an agent of Zionism you procure a twenty-million-dollar loan for Germany while downplaying the threat of Hitler.

You will show us how that works I am sure.

We exist on a torus of known dimensions.

Or maybe it's a Torah.

Someone will be along with an aha.

[Vasilios Vazakas]

Albert

I suggest to ask Charles to explain you about the Corsican ruse, also you should read the booku "The Great Heroin Coup".
So it was Rosebaum and Ben Gurion who controlled Dulles, C.D.Jackson, Henry Luce, Curtis Lemay, Hunt, Phillips, the Paines, CIA and Anti-Castro agents, people like
Brundage, the Pews, the eastern establishment etc.
So your model will look like this:

SPONSORS
Israel, Ben Gurion, Tibor Rosenbaum

FACILITATORS
LBJ, Angleton, Lansky, Mossad, Permindex

MECHANICS
Corsicans, Mossad

[Charles Drago]

Too much going on in my life right now to expand upon this, but I offer a brief query for your consideration:

Given that there were uber-powerful political, intelligence, military, cultural, and economic players on both sides of the Iron Curtain who, in George Michael Evica's memorable phrase, were "above Cold War differences," do you concede that there are similar players on both sides of the Jordan who are above Arab/Israeli and Islam/infidel differences?

[Vasilios Vazakas]

Charles

I agree with you that JFK was killed by a supranational elite, the money trust or the global corporation as i call them
who its Board members may have a difference in opinion and approach but one common goal.
I have also said that the Israeli state is just a tool in their hands to achieve their cause, controlling the Middle East and Oil.

[Albert Doyle]

Albert

I suggest to ask Charles to explain you about the Corsican ruse, also you should read the booku "The Great Heroin Coup".
So it was Rosebaum and Ben Gurion who controlled Dulles, C.D.Jackson, Henry Luce, Curtis Lemay, Hunt, Phillips, the Paines, CIA and Anti-Castro agents, people like
Brundage, the Pews, the eastern establishment etc.
So your model will look like this:

SPONSORS
Israel, Ben Gurion, Tibor Rosenbaum

FACILITATORS
LBJ, Angleton, Lansky, Mossad, Permindex

MECHANICS
Corsicans, Mossad

Tisk tisk Vasilios. You're putting Sponsorship words in my mouth I've already been very clear in disclaiming.

I think you're avoiding recognizing/discussing the very real role this Mediterranean cabal played in the assassination.

Still though, I'm perplexed by the questioning of Israeli control seeing today's situation in comparison.

For instance do you think Mearsheimer and Walt, Carter, or Finkelstein are "Jews behind every bush" people???

[Albert Doyle]

Now, consider Allen Dulles.

If you are an agent of Zionism you procure a twenty-million-dollar loan for Germany while downplaying the threat of Hitler.

You will show us how that works I am sure.

Consider the German zionists who expressed open support for Hitler thinking he would help create a zionist migration to Palestine. Did you know the zionists were some of Hitler's strongest supporters?


We all have stuff to work out it seems...

[Vasilios Vazakas]

Albert

I suggest to ask Charles to explain you about the Corsican ruse, also you should read the booku "The Great Heroin Coup".
So it was Rosebaum and Ben Gurion who controlled Dulles, C.D.Jackson, Henry Luce, Curtis Lemay, Hunt, Phillips, the Paines, CIA and Anti-Castro agents, people like
Brundage, the Pews, the eastern establishment etc.
So your model will look like this:

SPONSORS
Israel, Ben Gurion, Tibor Rosenbaum

FACILITATORS
LBJ, Angleton, Lansky, Mossad, Permindex

MECHANICS
Corsicans, Mossad

Tisk tisk Vasilios. You're putting Sponsorship words in my mouth I've already been very clear in disclaiming.

I think you're avoiding recognizing/discussing the very real role this Mediterranean cabal played in the assassination.

Still though, I'm perplexed by the questioning of Israeli control seeing today's situation in comparison.

For instance do you think Mearsheimer and Walt, Carter, or Finkelstein are "Jews behind every bush" people???

To avoid putting Sponshorship words in your mouth, please present your own version of the model according to Piper's book

[Mark Stapleton]

Albert

I suggest to ask Charles to explain you about the Corsican ruse, also you should read the booku "The Great Heroin Coup".
So it was Rosebaum and Ben Gurion who controlled Dulles, C.D.Jackson, Henry Luce, Curtis Lemay, Hunt, Phillips, the Paines, CIA and Anti-Castro agents, people like
Brundage, the Pews, the eastern establishment etc.
So your model will look like this:

SPONSORS
Israel, Ben Gurion, Tibor Rosenbaum

FACILITATORS
LBJ, Angleton, Lansky, Mossad, Permindex

MECHANICS
Corsicans, Mossad

Tisk tisk Vasilios. You're putting Sponsorship words in my mouth I've already been very clear in disclaiming.

I think you're avoiding recognizing/discussing the very real role this Mediterranean cabal played in the assassination.

Still though, I'm perplexed by the questioning of Israeli control seeing today's situation in comparison.

For instance do you think Mearsheimer and Walt, Carter, or Finkelstein are "Jews behind every bush" people???

To avoid putting Sponshorship words in your mouth, please present your own version of the model according to Piper's book

Shouldn't you answer Albert's question first, namely, do you consider that Mearsheimer and Walt, Carter, or Finkelstein are "Jews behind every bush" people?

Maybe Phil Dragoo might like to answer this one as well.

[Mark Stapleton]

Placing "Zionists" as Sponsors in the assassination of JFK is tantamount to granting them Sponsorship status in the long-view business model rather than the primitive and simplistic ad hoc model revolving around one day in the Autumn of 1963.

Are these Zionists then universal catalysts of evil or simply another in a series of pathetic false sponsors.

We have had Blakey and North and others crying out that organized crime, Marcello, Trafficante, et al, are the killers.

For Zirbel, and McClellan, and Nelson, and Morrow, it is LBJ.

The never-boring Frank Fiorini-Sturgis floated the KGB using Oswald.

The Israel-Zionist-Mossad thesis is not the final judgment.

It is speculation driven by palpable hatred.

This wasn't personal. This was business.

The Bard sings true.....

And very sweetly yes indeedy!

No, he's a little off key I'm afraid.