MP George Galloway on 9/11 - Calls for a new inquiry

[Charles Drago]

Gouda one.

[Albert Doyle]

The model holds that Sponsors are flesh-and-blood Prime Movers within the deep political structure: humans who, regardless of their ideological and/or practical motivations, maintain hierarchical and situational control sufficient to initiate or prevent such world historic crimes as the JFK assassination and 9-11.

Something tells me a greater than the sum of their parts dynamic occurs with these flesh and blood Sponsors.

[Albert Doyle]

Interesting comment Albert. I'd like to know how the sponsors as you allude to work with the facilitators which in themselves seem to have several tiers of hierarchy.

The media seems to be a good place to see the bones of that structure in clear view. That television screen has become a new church of sorts with scripture being handed down by the scribes and their corporate sponsors.


There's a sick kind of psychological warfare being practiced by advertizing companies and the subtle psychological messages being sent out in television advertizements.

[Jeffrey Orling]

Albert,

I am trying to get out how the basic ideology, presumable coming from the big cheese(s) is turned into actions by the various level of mechanics or mid level managers. Do you suppose there are meetings where the *ideological guidelines* for the media... is laid down... and they are told to report x, y and z and spin it right or is there simply censorship by editors or producers? That's the media model.

But how does one organize the mechanics with the complexity and size of supposed 911 inside job? It's conceivable but that doesn't make it possible in the real world. An assassination is much simpler by orders of magnitude. No?

[Charles Drago]

Albert,

I am trying to get out how the basic ideology, presumable coming from the big cheese(s) is turned into actions by the various level of mechanics or mid level managers. Do you suppose there are meetings where the *ideological guidelines* for the media... is laid down... and they are told to report x, y and z and spin it right or is there simply censorship by editors or producers? That's the media model.

But how does one organize the mechanics with the complexity and size of supposed 911 inside job? It's conceivable but that doesn't make it possible in the real world. An assassination is much simpler by orders of magnitude. No?

"An" assassination???

As if all are created equal ...

This is what disappoints me about you, Jeffrey, and calls into question your judgment on all matters under discussion here. There is no evidence that to my knowledge attests to a deep understanding on your part of the JFK assassination conspiracy -- its structure, planning, execution, ongoing cover-up, and its historical and contemporary cultural and political contexts. Yet you don't hesitate to make fatally under-informed (or, if you prefer, knuckleheaded) pronouncements about the event.

You're out of your deep politics depth, I'm afraid.

And it's obvious.

[Albert Doyle]

I suppose the FBI supervisors who ordered their agents to back-off Moussaoui were obeying the wishes of unseen superiors. The operative edge of those controlling the attack was at that interface between agent and supervisor even though the actual controllers were made invsisble by several layers of command.


Kristina Borjesson of CBS tried to bring-out the truth about TWA 800. She was fired from her job as a representative of the people's democratic free press by her bosses at '60 Minutes'. I no longer watch '60 Minutes' (a program I like) and wish to divest its sponors. Most American idiots turn-on and watch '60 Minutes' without noticing Borjesson's blood on its filthy chopping block.


Americans are basically cowards who see these messages and obey in order to keep their paychecks. To compensate they then do stinking propaganda on those very same programs telling themselves how great they are. American democracy went out not with a bang but with a weaseling whimper, with American fidelity to democracy kept up not by credible check and balance but by synthetic erection pills sold on those very same programs. The American democractic tiger put to extinction in order to harvest its penis because it is "very strong medicine..."

[Jeffrey Orling]

Charles,

I used the word *an assassination* not the JFK assassination. My point was that assassination is a much smaller operation to carry out and media manage than something of the size of 9/11. Even a false flag like the reichstag fire was a *one man* operation so to speak. Of course the outcome is a concerted effort.

We also seen how media has devolved to be the stenographer of anonymous official sources and this makes it rather simple to launch a meme. Reporters in the networks seem to think relaying what officials say about something is in some way related to what actually happened.

[Charles Drago]

Charles,

I used the word *an assassination* not the JFK assassination. My point was that assassination is a much smaller operation to carry out and media manage than something of the size of 9/11. Even a false flag like the reichstag fire was a *one man* operation so to speak. Of course the outcome is a concerted effort.

You are not making any sense whatsoever. Which is to say, you're repeating yourself.

Removing the indefinite article does not magically endow your "argument" with logic.

You continue to posit that all assassinations are created equal -- which doesn't pass the laugh test. If you had even a moderately refined understanding of the JFK assassination, you would not be writing this drivel.

Unless, of course ...

As for your non sequitur "reichstag" [sic] reference: your understanding of that event seems to be on a par with your spelling skills.

[Phil Dragoo]

Jeffrey

http://www.namebase.org/foia/jfk01.html

CIA issues memos and otherwise avails itself of its media assets.

Political entities may issue talking points to sympathetic media, but this is a separate track.

You cannot encapsulate the singular event of U.S. history in the second half of the Twentieth Century. Can't do it. I posit it can't be done.

It certainly can't be equated to a 1933 arson which can't be equated to the 911 leverage.

You should read a great deal. I would recommend James Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters. Others would add important books. I would venture to say that the serious continue to read--I received today Dick Russell, The Man Who Knew Too Much, second edition.

Within that I expect to find more of the subtlety which is the most important tectonic shift of the psycho-political geology.

You can't reinvent the sponsor-facilitator-mechanic model any more than I can go buy steel, rent some equipment, and build a high-rise.

And the rewards are enormous.

Albert Schweitzer College presents as an actual historic wormhole, while George Noory continues to interview say a Saint John whose dog won't hunt.

Circa November 22 the second edition of Jim DiEugenio, Destiny Betrayed, will issue, and a copy automatically appear at this door. Helms inquires about "our people down there," is apprised by a specially installed teletype, has worked with FBI to dog the witnesses, block the subpoena process, eliminate the occasional figure, salt the defense with approved agency whores, poison the media, and of course enlist Johnny Carson as a provocateur.

A riptide coming from WWII and rolling out today.

Not merely an assassination.

Read.

(Consider what you would do with a passerby wandering on your site and doodling on your plans. I pity the fool.)

[Greg Burnham]

(Consider what you would do with a passerby wandering on your site and doodling on your plans. I pity the fool.)