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A NOBLE LIE, the Oklahoma bombing, MK-Ultra and False Flag terrorism..
#11
Phil Dragoo Wrote:In 1997 Evans Ambrose Pritchard brought up Andreas Carl Strassmeier aka Andy the German, Carol Howe the informant, Angela Finney the BATF handler, the FBI's refusal to raid Elohim City.

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is a very spooky character, from a very spooky family.....

Which means his stuff is often good quality but not to be taken at face value.
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#12
Maybe a bit off topic..but not much...someone should do a good long article [or better a book] on Jolly [not so jolly] West...he was connected to almost every mind control assassin[ation] and major false-flag operation of his time. His CV is very 'deep black'.....the deepest and blackest. When I was a graduate student at UCLA, I just couldn't believe he had the position he did in the Medical School. Every day to classes, I passed just under his office several floors above. I have already related here elsewhere how some years later I had another knowledgeable but 'invisible' [at the time I was very visible] researcher meet with West at UCLA for me [and his own curiosity] and ask West questions I had designed. My friend died of a 'heart condition' about 3-4 weeks after the interview - which started off OK, but at the end he was shown the door by an angry West, when the questions [which were ordered from the more innocent to the more damning] started to annoy West and he stopped the interview.
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#13
I am reading "The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis. Amazing book and investigation. She proves it was an inside job as she contends it was Middle Eastern terrorists.

Very odd. Anyone read this book? A real page turner. (This book was my husband's idea, then we re-watch A Noble Lie and just maybe he will "get it" this time.)

Wonderful brilliant guy but in major denial on some of this stuff. (Yes, it drives me nuts)

Dawn
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#14
I've heard of it but haven't read it, Dawn. I imagine it's like 9/11, with people inside the US government manipulating foreign terrorists who don't realize who is pulling their strings.

A Noble Lie is a great documentary.

I think we all have people we care about who will only go part way through the looking-glass, or maybe not at all; they are afraid to open their eyes all the way, because it's too disturbing. "No, please let me hold on to the reality constructed for me by the mainstream media and pop culture!" It's like getting people to kick a drug habit.
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#15
I'm sure this has been posted before but there was an excellent episode of Guns & Butter back in April on the subject of the Oklahoma City bombing:

http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/90764


Very much worth a listen.
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#16
A short video wherein Gordon Novel states that Waco caused Oklahoma City:

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
― Leo Tolstoy,
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#17
That's what Timothy McVeigh said, too.

Yay! Novel is going to save the world using anti-gravity.

After listening to this video I am even further disinclined to believe a word he says. At least now, I think he's crazy, as opposed to being merely a theif and a complete liar.
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#18
Drew Phipps Wrote:That's what Timothy McVeigh said, too.

Yay! Novel is going to save the world using anti-gravity.

After listening to this video I am even further disinclined to believe a word he says. At least now, I think he's crazy, as opposed to being merely a theif and a complete liar.

And dead now.
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#19
Effective disinformation tends to be predominantly truthful.

If you listen to the Guns & Butter episode that I linked to above you will hear experienced, credible researchers also making the claim that Waco led directly to Oklahoma City.

It is naïve in the extreme, in my opinion, to disregard everything somebody says because they are a disinformationalist. That is precisely the outcome that they are tasked with achieving.
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
― Leo Tolstoy,
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#20
Relatedly, I wonder if Cheri Seymour's book on OKC is ever going to see the light of day.
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
― Leo Tolstoy,
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