Guardian Angels And Fate

[Albert Doyle]

The first guardian angel probably interceded during the Bay Of Pigs which was probably a provocation designed to induce the desired nuclear attack on the Soviet Union. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Bay Of Pigs was to be accompanied by some false flag attacks somewhere designed to instigate this pre-emptive nuclear attack. It would not be at all surprising if the deliberately-designed failure of the Bay Of Pigs invasion wasn't designed to make Kennedy look bad but was instead designed to only be as brief as its intended causing of World War III necessitated. I wouldn't be surprised if the take-over of the government had happened before JFK was killed and was ongoing during JFK's administration and part of what caused him to fight the Military Industrial Complex. The Bay Of Pigs could very well have been a wake-up call to Kennedy that caused him to realize he wasn't in control of his government and had nearly been induced to cause World War III.

As Douglass said the next strike against Kennedy was the Cuban Missile Crisis where JFK had played a bold chess move, countering his internal enemy by reaching out to the enemy in an unexpected move. In a brilliant stroke Kennedy had taken the power away from his Military Industrial Complex adversaries by decreasing the threat the Soviets presented. JFK had bypassed his national security defenders by taking what they were defending against away from them.

The scene in Dallas is difficult to decipher however it does appear that some of the players could have been tricked into participating by being convinced they were involved in a false attack meant to frame the Cubans but not actually kill Kennedy. This might actually explain how you could get Secret Service to stand down and order everyone not to move.

I think the most important thing is the 2 day dwell time between the assassination and Oswald's murder. It is very possible the assassins were so bold because they expected that a nuclear war may have happened shortly after the assassination. It could be that Lansdale showing up boldly in the Plaza, the Air Force 1 arrangements, and LeMay possibly attending Bethesda were all so openly bold because they expected the public's attention to be seriously occupied by a nuclear war with Russia shortly after the assassination.

However another scenario is possible where the assassination was meant to destroy Kennedy's detente chess moves with the Soviets. The World War III scenario may have been off the table by the time of Dallas and the militarists may have decided the pre-emptive attack option was no longer available due to Kennedy having taken it away by creating peaceful relations with the enemy where an aggressive attack couldn't be justified. The plotters could have realized they were in a position where they couldn't get away with breaking the US's word that it would not attack Cuba. So therefore the goal was to simply kill Kennedy and install a favorable Lyndon Johnson who would then reverse Kennedy's gains and create the new option of reestablishing a Cold War front against the Soviets in VietNam.

After analyzing the brain in evidence issue I realize Bobby Kennedy may have kept the brain as a trump card waiting to be played after he became president. He may have kept his mouth shut on the brain, biding his time to come forward and say he had nothing to do with its disposal. Being as shrewd as his brother he may have put a public face forward backing the Warren Report but kept all this business in mind waiting for an opening. Bobby was smart enough to know that with the people he was dealing with any truthful protest would have automatically wrecked his chance to ever make that play.

What is most interesting to speculate is how Oswald's surviving those 2 days could have influenced the plan. It is possible Oswald was supposed to be killed shortly after the assassination. Maybe at the Depository, maybe at the Texas Theater. If this had happened then it would have been easier to quickly execute the patsy plan as was seen in Oswald's history being available so quickly after the assassination. The weakest link is whether Tippit was supposed to kill Oswald. This is hard to prove. If this was the case then Oswald became a problem and his being alive and a wild card created a new scenario where instead of executing the orginal plan A the plotters were now desperately fighting being exposed. It could very well be that the second guardian angel was this unexpected dwelling time when Oswald was alive. The 48 hours of fighting against exposure may have created a shift in plans where whatever the first quickly-executed plan was was now replaced with new options considered during this interim. If there was a plan for an attack on Cuba or even a nuclear attack it was dropped because the plotters may have gotten cold feet after nearly getting caught. Or they may have suddenly realized their cover-up was working giving them more time to consider new, less drastic options. If Oswald was supposed to be killed quickly then this dwelling time and new options were unexpected. Who knows what plans could have been changed during this time.

This unexpected dwelling time, if true, is good evidence of higher sponsors because it would be a decision that came from them rather than the military facilitators and whatever level or layer of plot they operating at. There could have been some players operating at the non-lethal false flag attack level designed to frame Castro. Some of the military officers may have been operating at the false flag attack level designed as a pretext for an invasion of Cuba. Or those officers were in on the kill option from the start. It doesn't really matter. Finally, possible evidence of sponsorship is seen in this possible dwelling time scenario where the sponsors operated under the dictates of their usual methods and decided a VietNam front was much more profitable in the long-term than an incinerated planet. However the forging of NSAM 273 may also be a sign that this kill option was the plan from the start and VietNam was the goal.

[Gordon Gray]

The first guardian angel probably interceded during the Bay Of Pigs which was probably a provocation designed to induce the desired nuclear attack on the Soviet Union. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Bay Of Pigs was to be accompanied by some false flag attacks somewhere designed to instigate this pre-emptive nuclear attack. It would not be at all surprising if the deliberately-designed failure of the Bay Of Pigs invasion wasn't designed to make Kennedy look bad but was instead designed to only be as brief as its intended causing of World War III necessitated. I wouldn't be surprised if the take-over of the government had happened before JFK was killed and was ongoing during JFK's administration and part of what caused him to fight the Military Industrial Complex. The Bay Of Pigs could very well have been a wake-up call to Kennedy that caused him to realize he wasn't in control of his government and had nearly been induced to cause World War III.

As Douglass said the next strike against Kennedy was the Cuban Missile Crisis where JFK had played a bold chess move, countering his internal enemy by reaching out to the enemy in an unexpected move. In a brilliant stroke Kennedy had taken the power away from his Military Industrial Complex adversaries by decreasing the threat the Soviets presented. JFK had bypassed his national security defenders by taking what they were defending against away from them.

The scene in Dallas is difficult to decipher however it does appear that some of the players could have been tricked into participating by being convinced they were involved in a false attack meant to frame the Cubans but not actually kill Kennedy. This might actually explain how you could get Secret Service to stand down and order everyone not to move.

I think the most important thing is the 2 day dwell time between the assassination and Oswald's murder. It is very possible the assassins were so bold because they expected that a nuclear war may have happened shortly after the assassination. It could be that Lansdale showing up boldly in the Plaza, the Air Force 1 arrangements, and LeMay possibly attending Bethesda were all so openly bold because they expected the public's attention to be seriously occupied by a nuclear war with Russia shortly after the assassination.

However another scenario is possible where the assassination was meant to destroy Kennedy's detente chess moves with the Soviets. The World War III scenario may have been off the table by the time of Dallas and the militarists may have decided the pre-emptive attack option was no longer available due to Kennedy having taken it away by creating peaceful relations with the enemy where an aggressive attack couldn't be justified. The plotters could have realized they were in a position where they couldn't get away with breaking the US's word that it would not attack Cuba. So therefore the goal was to simply kill Kennedy and install a favorable Lyndon Johnson who would then reverse Kennedy's gains and create the new option of reestablishing a Cold War front against the Soviets in VietNam.

After analyzing the brain in evidence issue I realize Bobby Kennedy may have kept the brain as a trump card waiting to be played after he became president. He may have kept his mouth shut on the brain, biding his time to come forward and say he had nothing to do with its disposal. Being as shrewd as his brother he may have put a public face forward backing the Warren Report but kept all this business in mind waiting for an opening. Bobby was smart enough to know that with the people he was dealing with any truthful protest would have automatically wrecked his chance to ever make that play.

What is most interesting to speculate is how Oswald's surviving those 2 days could have influenced the plan. It is possible Oswald was supposed to be killed shortly after the assassination. Maybe at the Depository, maybe at the Texas Theater. If this had happened then it would have been easier to quickly execute the patsy plan as was seen in Oswald's history being available so quickly after the assassination. The weakest link is whether Tippit was supposed to kill Oswald. This is hard to prove. If this was the case then Oswald became a problem and his being alive and a wild card created a new scenario where instead of executing the orginal plan A the plotters were now desperately fighting being exposed. It could very well be that the second guardian angel was this unexpected dwelling time when Oswald was alive. The 48 hours of fighting against exposure may have created a shift in plans where whatever the first quickly-executed plan was was now replaced with new options considered during this interim. If there was a plan for an attack on Cuba or even a nuclear attack it was dropped because the plotters may have gotten cold feet after nearly getting caught. Or they may have suddenly realized their cover-up was working giving them more time to consider new, less drastic options. If Oswald was supposed to be killed quickly then this dwelling time and new options were unexpected. Who knows what plans could have been changed during this time.

This unexpected dwelling time, if true, is good evidence of higher sponsors because it would be a decision that came from them rather than the military facilitators and whatever level or layer of plot they operating at. There could have been some players operating at the non-lethal false flag attack level designed to frame Castro. Some of the military officers may have been operating at the false flag attack level designed as a pretext for an invasion of Cuba. Or those officers were in on the kill option from the start. It doesn't really matter. Finally, possible evidence of sponsorship is seen in this possible dwelling time scenario where the sponsors operated under the dictates of their usual methods and decided a VietNam front was much more profitable in the long-term than an incinerated planet. However the forging of NSAM 273 may also be a sign that this kill option was the plan from the start and VietNam was the goal.

I have always thought that the assassination had two primary goals. The elimination of Kennedy, and as a false flag operation designed to connect the assassination to Castro via Oswald. If Oswald hadn't been arrested but rather spirited out of the country to be quietly elliminated elsewhere, then the evidecse linking him to Castro could be manged and spoon fed by the media to the public gradually, building support for an invasion of Cuba and a confrontation with the Soviets, which could then possibly necessitate of preemptive strike. I think the arrest of Oswald compelled Hoover to come up with the lone nut explanation and sell it to LBJ, because the possibility of trial threatened to reveal Oswalds duality, his/their connections with intelligence and more importantly to him, to his FBI.

[Albert Doyle]

Once Kennedy was assassinated a pre-emptive nuclear attack was impossible because both countries would be on high nuclear alert.


Since Oswald was framed under an Operation Northwoods-like plan it doesn't make sense to keep him alive because sooner or later he's not going to like being set-up and taking the blame. I'm convinced Oswald was either given hints he was going to be exonerated or he played the "I'm a patsy who is only being arrested because I once lived in the Soviet Union" hand until he could sound-out an intel cut-out and find out where he stood. I think he was sending messages, or was instructed to send the message he wasn't being given legal assistance, in order to sabotage the case against him. LN'ers say Oswald was a dummy, but his announcing his lack of legal protection shows an intelligent mind at work, and possibly even a guided one while in the police station.

[Gordon Gray]

Once Kennedy was assassinated a pre-emptive nuclear attack was impossible because both countries would be on high nuclear alert.


Since Oswald was framed under an Operation Northwoods-like plan it doesn't make sense to keep him alive because sooner or later he's not going to like being set-up and taking the blame. I'm convinced Oswald was either given hints he was going to be exonerated or he played the "I'm a patsy who is only being arrested because I once lived in the Soviet Union" hand until he could sound-out an intel cut-out and find out where he stood. I think he was sending messages, or was instructed to send the message he wasn't being given legal assistance, in order to sabotage the case against him. LN'ers say Oswald was a dummy, but his announcing his lack of legal protection shows an intelligent mind at work, and possibly even a guided one while in the police station.

I should have said first strike. The main goal was Cuba, but if the Soviets were to take counter measures in Europe, the military establishment was convinced of their nuclear superiority and believed they could destroy the Soviet Union while suffering "acceptable" losses at home. I tend to subscribe to the two Oswald thesis and I think the Oswald arrested that day was pretty much in the dark about his being framed until the assassination actually happened.

[Albert Doyle]

I agree. We know JFK was killed by the national security apparatus so they had to have a contingency that involved a nuclear war against the Soviets. That's why I'm saying the fact Oswald wasn't killed right away may have allowed an unexpected grace period that caused them to realize they were getting away with it and there were now new options. Just like JFK got scared straight by the missile crisis the plotters may have gotten scared straight by the fact they could have been exposed by Oswald and decided to settle on VietNam and a dead Kennedy instead of Plan A.

[Gordon Gray]

I agree. We know JFK was killed by the national security apparatus so they had to have a contingency that involved a nuclear war against the Soviets. That's why I'm saying the fact Oswald wasn't killed right away may have allowed an unexpected grace period that caused them to realize they were getting away with it and there were now new options. Just like JFK got scared straight by the missile crisis the plotters may have gotten scared straight by the fact they could have been exposed by Oswald and decided to settle on VietNam and a dead Kennedy instead of Plan A.

No doubt Oswald not being eliminated caused some to be concerned were there to be a trial. Most likely IMO it was Hoover. I think the CIA would have been OK with continuing the Oswald/Castro connection. These operations are compartmentalized and none of the major players would have been compromised. They probably were pretty confident they could characterize Oswald as a nutand a lying Commie and what ever claims he might have made would have been discounted. Also they had a good grip on the press.

[Albert Doyle]

No doubt Oswald not being eliminated caused some to be concerned were there to be a trial. Most likely IMO it was Hoover. I think the CIA would have been OK with continuing the Oswald/Castro connection. These operations are compartmentalized and none of the major players would have been compromised. They probably were pretty confident they could characterize Oswald as a nutand a lying Commie and what ever claims he might have made would have been discounted. Also they had a good grip on the press.

No way. CIA (those who were involved) was deathly afraid of Oswald being a loose cannon. They had to put pressure on Ruby for a suicide attack. The means by which they did that would be a very interesting x-ray of the structure of the cabal if you could find out about it. I just can't imagine Oswald being allowed to live because his head contained a full list of names that would lead to compartment interfaces that would be undeniable. I mean we already have a pretty good idea of those contacts even with Oswald dead. I'm beginning to believe the Oswald crisis created a situation where the plot went from smoothly-flowing to fighting for survival on the behalf of the plotters and that Plan B was then an accepted compromise after they realized they came that close to blowing it. Some Deep Politics commentors might even add Oswald's not being killed right away was deliberately done in order to induce the more profitable, Kennedy-less long term solution. It didn't matter to the sponsors whether the Cold War front against the communists was in Cuba or VietNam.

[Gordon Gray]

No doubt Oswald not being eliminated caused some to be concerned were there to be a trial. Most likely IMO it was Hoover. I think the CIA would have been OK with continuing the Oswald/Castro connection. These operations are compartmentalized and none of the major players would have been compromised. They probably were pretty confident they could characterize Oswald as a nutand a lying Commie and what ever claims he might have made would have been discounted. Also they had a good grip on the press.

No way. CIA (those who were involved) was deathly afraid of Oswald being a loose cannon. They had to put pressure on Ruby for a suicide attack. The means by which they did that would be a very interesting x-ray of the structure of the cabal if you could find out about it. I just can't imagine Oswald being allowed to live because his head contained a full list of names that would lead to compartment interfaces that would be undeniable. I mean we already have a pretty good idea of those contacts even with Oswald dead. I'm beginning to believe the Oswald crisis created a situation where the plot went from smoothly-flowing to fighting for survival on the behalf of the plotters and that Plan B was then an accepted compromise after they realized they came that close to blowing it. Some Deep Politics commentors might even add Oswald's not being killed right away was deliberately done in order to induce the more profitable, Kennedy-less long term solution. It didn't matter to the sponsors whether the Cold War front against the communists was in Cuba or VietNam.

I disagree. I think Stockwell's 3 minute description of the assassination is fairly accurate. There were two levels, the higher ups who were well isulated from any culpability, and a small group of lower dons, CIA/OP 40/ mob types, who actually planned and executed it. Since I tend to go with Armstrong's two Oswald theory, the Oswald who was arrested probably had little contact with most of these people. The Oswald impersonator who dis ppeared was the guy who knew them well. Why did the CIA send Hoover the info on Oswalds trip to Mexico City after Oswald's arrest, if they were not still persuing the Oswald/Castro connection?

[Albert Doyle]

I also lean towards Armstrong. If Leibeler avoided the Pfister employment record there must have been something there. We have enough evidence of Dallas doubles to carry Armstrong, at least to that degree.

However don't you realize how what you write shows why there was no chance of the CIA higher-ups being insulated? The fact you already know about them shows that there was no point in hiding it. Also, the fact Oswald was shot by Ruby greatly increases the likelihood he was supposed to be killed that day.


I think Stockwell agrees with me:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pCXJQKGZ7k


.

[Gordon Gray]

I also lean towards Armstrong. If Leibeler avoided the Pfister employment record there must have been something there. We have enough evidence of Dallas doubles to carry Armstrong, at least to that degree.

However don't you realize how what you write shows why there was no chance of the CIA higher-ups being insulated? The fact you already know about them shows that there was no point in hiding it. Also, the fact Oswald was shot by Ruby greatly increases the likelihood he was supposed to be killed that day.
I think Stockwell agrees with me:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pCXJQKGZ7k


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I don't know who they are to this day, Nobody does. I have stromg suspicians. But it has taken years to develop them. I was 17 when JFK died and hadn't even begun to question Vietnam. But I must have missed when Dulles, Helms, Phillips, Morales, etc, were tried and went to jail. And who knew at that time Harriman, Prescott and George Bush, along with a number Big Banking/Military Industialists, and several members of the Joint Chiefs, could be involved. IMO they have done a pretty good job of maintaining their plausible deniability. A lot of people who were involved and have known a lot about the conspiracy besides Oswald, maybe they even knew more than he did, have tried to speak out. What has happened to them? I think they could have managed an Oswald trial. They managed Ruby's and he knew a lot too. The reason we got the lone nut instead of Oswald/Castro IMO, is because Hoover was afraid for his reputation and the embarrassment of the Bureau, and Johnson was afraid of WWIII. But I agree with you that at the highest levels it mattered little whether they went into Cuba or Vietnam. They were in a position to take advantage of both.